Operation Sindoor: Aftermath
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Jihad. Radicalisation and terrorism which was supposed to be a tool for PA to use as it wished has found its way to the top of PA.
So, what does a radical terrorist want? JIHAD.
It was a joke lmao. You are not insulting him. I am.
Going out and saying it
Munir wants to force a showdown while he still has a fighting chance.
He thinks he can keep it under the N threshold but sadly for him firestorms tend to have a mind of their own once they are created. That is the scary part
It doesn’t take a brave man to order a Nuclear strike. It takes a brave man to stand down knowing it’s over and nukes won’t change the outcome only make it worse.
Munir looks just the guy who will give into pressure even if it means his country gets turned to a glass floored parking lot.
There're times I share this assessment of yours about Munira & at times I do not .
Having said that , wargaming a post Paxtan break up scenario is the stuff of nightmares especially if you consider there's BD developing into a non nuclear version of Paxtan.
And taking on BD means a civil war for there's not a single district in this country where they haven't infiltrated & settled in huge numbers intermingling with the local M population here which means any attempt to take on BD will open up a front inside.
Any attempt at weeding them out thru measures like the NRC , NPR , SIR etc will at some point also provoke a severe backlash. That's not what we're facing vis a vis Paxtan at the moment.
Taking all this into consideration IMO a N device or 2 sent across by Fauji Foundation wouldn't be a bad deal. Gives us the pretext to annihilate them .
Better limited damages now than fighting on 3 fronts of more in a few decades viz Paxtani Punjab & Sind , BD , internally & for all you know Afghanistan.
I also realise the chances of the scenario I've described above becoming a possibility isn't very high but couldn't help wargaming such a scenario.
Just my 2 cents on a not too busy Monday morning.
Jihadis are low level zero income low maintenance cannon fodder. Fauji Foundation isn't .
They've a lot more at stake . It's only that consideration which will either temper Munira's thought process or take him out of the game ironically denying us a chance at executing The Final Solution.
I will go one step ahead in the " conspiracy" theory and say that there's involvement of politicians of opposition in this too. Even if limited to providing logistics or providing political backing by interference in police work, offering inspectors to avoid some area giving usual reasons and other small things that a politician has hold over.
Connecting the dots? Fits right into Chidambaram and RGs statements and opposition is desperate to make things hard for country to show administration in poor light. And congress+ has enough history of sabotaging India for political gains. So, it's not something that's taboo for them. All the ghettos and the biggest ghetto of them all i.e. WB are infested with radicals coupled with the political and NGO shield they get... Possibilities are a lot.
Just like we say that munir is at crossroads.. BJP is also at crossroads, they can either go hard on them or keep stalling for time. But no matter what.m, time will come when they will have to make a choice. And it will definitely be before 2029.
My bet is that they will go hard at it. Clearing internal backers of Terrorists. After all, "no distinction between Terrorists and their backers" and Chidambaram & RGs statement "Low threshold & what if terrorist are homegrown" ... Answer should be "it doesn't matter where terrorist comes from, their backers must go down too". Wether by hands of military or by hands of politics.
Jihad is a ideology . It was used to train terrorist, was used to justify their actions, to justify their backing of several forces. But when you incorporate such toxic ideology at such large scale internally, it tends to spill over into larger society.
Not every jihadi infiltrates and gets 72 hoors in their heaven. A significant number has to remain on earth and make do with 4. They produce next generation of population that gets parenting with a touch , lot of touch of jihadi ideology. Repeat this for decades... Ultimately army and ISI are recruiting from that pool of population only. Give enough time... Munir isn't even the most radical man of PA. Who knows what might be waiting for PA as next gen, FM etc.
So, no one died and an incident was averted. Does this mean the “intent to kill” doesn’t count? Are we going to let these jihadis off the hook coz they didn’t succeed? What does our “new normal” dictate that we do now?
In my book, this warrants a response! It is time to walk the talk - “terrorists and their backers” as so famously pointed few months back, it is time to go make them feel the heat again. Enough of being reactionary. We shouldn’t wait around till we lose a large number of people in a terror attack.
That's the thing no. The "backers". I had iterated it . Screambowl too. That next attacked will be portrayed as done by internal actors.
The "test" of our doctrine, as mentioned a lot of times, is going on. Wether it's pressure through tarrifs, heightened tensions at borders, Bangladesh, myanmar route, Outflow of FIIs, and ultimately the repeated attempts for a large scale attack outside J&K.
As said before.. this is a baptism for both our establishment ( political & security) and also society's.
As for what anonymous said about Bangladeshi being in every corner of country.. it's true. And also the baptism society needs to go through.
And I am not talking about preachers , saints. But at the ground level.
P.S. I think it could be overstretch but the apathy shown towards WB hindu exodus from their own town suggests that Indians don't understand unless they get affected. So, in the event of a planned terror attack linked to bangladesh and our military operation ( pre or post) to nuteralise modules there.. when Bangladeshi flags get unfurled in ghettos, inside JNU.. when STSJ gang mobilises.. all over India, at once. Society might be forced to wake up.
Rest can only be speculated.
Still doesn't answer why Fauji Foundation would risk it all even if Munira wants to , assuming he actually wants to go down all guns blazing taking as many down with him .
Also it doesn't answer what's the end game Munira is looking at & Fauji Foundation is looking at ? You're operating on the assumption it's the same whereas I'm not .
You don't establish a multi billion dollar business in your country , make the entire polity subservient to you only for you to go blow everything up in an artificially created war you yourself have stoked courtesy an ideology you've tapped into which in the first place is designed to maintain your chokehold over the polity by diverting the polity's attention externally so that your continued dominance is unquestioned.
Yet Munira has gone more than a few steps forward not just to cement Fauji Foundation's role as the dominant player in the polity as permanent in an official manner but under the guise of that has pretty much lodged himself at the top for life .
Fauji Foundation as an organisation has never operated on this principle. It was always about rotation of command at regular intervals. If & when people at the top saw themselves as indispensable seeking to overstay their visit they were gently reminded that their time at the top was over & that there were others in line waiting for an opportunity to serve.
Ayub Khan was reminded about it when he thought he was indispensable , Ka'naa too was reminded about the same as was Musharraf , the difference being Ayub & Musharraf got the message & vacated the position , Ka'naa didn't & got a case of mangoes as a gift to enjoy in the after life.
I'm venturing sooner rather than later Munira will face the same offer his predecessors did . In the meanwhile what he does to pre empt such moves from his own kind needs to be watched. In addition to that there are other players within Paxtan & outside besides India who want to take him out of the equation.
@Jaymax is of the opinion he'd attempt something against us & as & when things go south as it's expected to , he'd yield to temptations to exercise the final option .
While I don't dispute this premise I'm not entirely convinced he will or even if he does , he'd be permitted to take things to its logical conclusion the way he sees it by the rest of the top brass , although if he does , it gives us the opportunity to pursue The Final Solution which we should've undertaken but couldn't at the time of partition.
Unfortunately we won't. Good reasons for it too. Just too much apathy , reason being we're still a < 3,000 USD PCI economy where the overwhelming majority of the population is still pursuing security vis a vis fundamentals like roti kapda & makaan .
Hence outrage will envelop our society only when one such attack is successful not when 10 are thwarted. GoI is doing good by continuing Operation Sindoor & all those war games being conducted .
Won't need mobilisation in order to strike immediately as & when the need to do so becomes an imperative.
To further clarify my above points:
1) The politician doesn't have to be MP or MLA. Look a lot of illegal activities happens and most of it is somehow backed by a politician's grace. And I am not even talking about grave things like human trafficking, drugs etc.. It could be as simple as sand mafia , or illegal wood trading. Knowingly or unknowingly a politician gets a call from his supporter and the politician makes a call to police chowki that " arre wo 2 truck ayenge. Humare hi hain. Jaane do". This is just a small example. A couple of instances like this enables the masterminds to get around security.
Then there are past cases where PA, close aides of big politicians have been aphrended due to links with terror network. Then there's the linkages from times of underworld that still prevails. Point is.. such plans can't be carried out without local help in today's security scenario. And local help can't do it without political connections.
2) How does NGO, RG, And top of Congress comes into play? Cause they are getting desperate. Leaving their attempts to openly incite GenZ aside.
To weed out such networks will mean going heavy on a network of "headmaster ka beta". They didn't leave a stone unturned to term terrorist buhran as innocent, pitiful. They try to downplay every incident by small things like "militants" over "terrorist" cause their needs to shield everything with muslims in it.
Thats how they provide the shield. By portraying any action as attack on muslims, attack on democracy, pushing kids in front with posters. Many many examples.
3) As for past incidents of Congress sabotaging India for political gains? Should I create a thread for it? From whole chain of incidents leading to manipur airbombings and subsequent violence. Hobnobbing with khalistani, massacring Sikhs and inculcate a hatred inside people. Cases like shah Bano which only cemented the power of fundamentalists in islamic society.
The closeness and love for pakistan is well known. Pitroda to ayiar to digvijay, members of their planning commission etc.
4) congress+ includes the likes of TMC and SP too. Or DMK well known to flirt with sensitive issues. Ny congress+ I mean the leftist ecosystem that likes of Arfa and barkha are part of. Where Zakir Naik gets more patronage than APJ Abdul Kalam.
P.S. This was written before I read about Red fort. Things are out and in motion. Let's watch it now. The action, reaction and the ecosystem within
Minor update - I m of the opinion Munir is already in the process of trying something. The recent political military and economic factors have helped shape his final decision. The root is in 2019, with India's growing capabilities that invalidate Pakistan's nuclear deterrence contributing to his decision. The tipping point IMO is water. The IWT moves, coupled with PakJab flooding this year is the final straw.
Munir knows only a PR bonanza will give him the bonafides he needs to right course and prevent disintegration of Pakistan. He needs a PR win that gives him the capital to make the changes he wants.
@_Anonymous_ - The disintegration of Pakistan is a real possibility now, and while you disagree I again put forward the idea that instead of a collapse, a controlled implosion is the way to go. A bit akin to the USSR. A mega shock in the field, 1-2 provinces leave, Nuclear assets secured and removed. The remainder shell staying under Fauj ki rehbari.
Everyone gets what they want. The successor states have elements of state security leftover with chances of rapid progression for the remaining personnel makes policing a viable option. Everyone gets a bone to chew.