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So no one has answered me yet, will the US allow Brahmos to be integrated with F35 in case India goes for F35 ( hypothetically). Or the IAF will face crisis of source codes similar like integration of stand off munition into Rafales?

No, sir. The missile is so big the F-35 will have to be integrated to Brahmos. Then Brahmos will carry two F-35s.
 
So no one has answered me yet, will the US allow Brahmos to be integrated with F35 in case India goes for F35 ( hypothetically). Or the IAF will face crisis of source codes similar like integration of stand off munition into Rafales?
Please ignore anything randomradio says. He's clueless and makes things up.

The F-35 has indigenous UK and Isralie missiles. You pay the cost of fitting and testing . Like everyone else, you won't get the F-35 source codes.

Depending on what you want it to do. It may be like the Israeli EW pod and plug and play. So you can change the missile data.

The F-35 has 2x 5,000lb hard points. The BrahMos-NG weighs 3,300lb
 
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Like everyone else, you won't get the F-35 source codes.

This is exactly what I wanted to know. Without this, F35 can't be used to it's maximum potential, the same issue Indians are having with Rafale. A very potent aircraft but restricted to go full potential, some how Indians managed. I am not sure, if the French Airforce has access to Rafale source code or it is patent property of Dassault Aviation. Plagiarism is a very serious matter in the west.

No, sir. The missile is so big the F-35 will have to be integrated to Brahmos. Then Brahmos will carry two F-35s.

Brahmos NG could be perhaps fitted also the Brahmos 2. Point is every time you need to ask them to fit the weapons
 
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This is exactly what I wanted to know. Without this, F35 can't be used to it's maximum potential, the same issue Indians are having with Rafale. A very potent aircraft but restricted to go full potential, some how Indians managed. I am not sure, if the French Airforce has access to Rafale source code or it is patent property of Dassault Aviation. Plagiarism is a very serious matter in the west.



Brahmos NG could be perhaps fitted also the Brahmos 2. Point is every time you need to ask them to fit the weapons
How does not having the source codes stop you? Do you or app developers have Microsoft source codes to windows? Does this really affect the use of your computer? It's plug and play.

Dassult, like everyone else has control of their source codes. The French air force would work with Dassault for what they need.

As long as it doesn't corrupt the use of the F-35, you can have what you want fitted or if needed plug and play.
You have mission system reprogramming labs. Where you do your own threat library, etc.
The F-35 PSC provides the capability to program, test and field F-35 Mission Data for Partner Nation and FMS customers. The PSC develops, operates, and maintains state-of-the-art F-35 hardware-in-the-loop MD Verification and Validation labs. The PSC aids in developing Modeling and simulation capability for F-35 MD testing. The PSC also provides help developing a systems engineering approach to MD and tools for the F-35 reprogramming enterprise.
 
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How does not having the source codes stop you? Do you or app developers have Microsoft source codes to windows?

Any app will not have access to the Kernel. Any new hardware installation with a different data link or a unique digital signal processing requires access to Kernel so that a new device type can be added to the I/O. Let's say a new electronic pod which is based on some new OS and a new data link needs to be integrated with the mission computer, first it has to be defined in as new device in I/O management of Kernel.

Just by installing device drivers will not optimize the functionality of any new device, it is prone to bugs, because there is radar, and other sensors on board which are managed by the Kernel.

he F-35 PSC provides the capability to program, test and field F-35 Mission Data for Partner Nation and FMS customers. The PSC develops, operates, and maintains state-of-the-art F-35 hardware-in-the-loop MD Verification and Validation labs. The PSC aids in developing Modeling and simulation capability for F-35 MD testing. The PSC also provides help developing a systems engineering approach to MD and tools for the F-35 reprogramming enterprise.

If a Brahmos NG, or any Russian or French electronic Pod needs to be integrated into F35, the programmers need to create an interface by studying the device, why would French or Russians allow Americans to do that. Then there is a deadlock.
 
Any app will not have access to the Kernel. Any new hardware installation with a different data link or a unique digital signal processing requires access to Kernel so that a new device type can be added to the I/O. Let's say a new electronic pod which is based on some new OS and a new data link needs to be integrated with the mission computer, first it has to be defined in as new device in I/O management of Kernel.

Just by installing device drivers will not optimize the functionality of any new device, it is prone to bugs, because there is radar, and other sensors on board which are managed by the Kernel.



If a Brahmos NG, or any Russian or French electronic Pod needs to be integrated into F35, the programmers need to create an interface by studying the device, why would French or Russians allow Americans to do that. Then there is a deadlock.
So you/developers don't get the windows source codes, just plug and play kernels.

As I said, like Dassault, You would work with the JPO for changes. No one gets the source codes. UK and Israel worked to have their missiles included. i would think they wouldn't have given over the weapons source codes. just what is needed to have the aircraft and weapon talk to each other. There are also the new universal weapon connection stuff, I haven't followed that closely

Universal Armament Interface (UAI) ...[aka plug and play.]
 
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Brahmos NG could be perhaps fitted also the Brahmos 2. Point is every time you need to ask them to fit the weapons

Brahmos-A cannot be integrated on medium and light jets, only heavies. The 8.5 m length is too high for carriage on 15-17 m long jets.

Brahmos-NG can be integrated on the F-35, but it's a political hot potato 'cause the motor will be Russian, and the Americans are unlikely to allow it.

Considering the timeline of induction of the F-35, we will have an indigenous hypersonic ALCM by then. So no loss there.