Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion


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The problem is that the US lets planes fly in operation with critical anomalies. In France, if a critical anomaly is discovered, all aircraft at risk of having this anomaly are grounded until the anomaly is corrected. In the US, they let aircraft with 13 critical anomalies fly.
 
The old fleet is dilapidated. The new fleet is WIP.

So the old fleet, including the F-22, is suffering from budgetry limitations, the new fleet (F-35) is suffering from maintenance and supply chain issues.


Trump can fix this as long as he can restructure the govt and eliminate pointless expenses.
Trump is a pointless expense.
The problem is that the US lets planes fly in operation with critical anomalies. In France, if a critical anomaly is discovered, all aircraft at risk of having this anomaly are grounded until the anomaly is corrected. In the US, they let aircraft with 13 critical anomalies fly.
And yet more Rafales Class A mishaps per 100,000 flying hours.
 
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0 class A mishap for Rafale, only pilot mistakes.
Still counts as a Class A mishap and you must have really, really bad pilots to have that many mistakes, or something wrong with the design that leads to it. 7 aircraft losses now with how many flying hours with the French AF alone? When you have a million flying hours, come back and compare notes.
 
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Israeli Airstrike Falters as F-35 Adir Locked On by Iranian Air Defense Radar

Recent intelligence from Israel reveals that the primary reason for the "limited impact" of Israel's airstrikes on Iran on October 25 and 26 was due to the capabilities of Iran’s air defense systems. Reports indicate that Iran’s air defenses successfully thwarted the Israeli fighter jets’ aerial assault.

On October 25 and 26, Israel launched airstrikes targeting key military sites in Iran in response to Tehran’s launch of over 200 ballistic missiles directed at the Jewish state.

However, international analysts report that the impact of Israel’s airstrikes was highly limited, with only minor damage sustained at the targeted military sites due to the air-launched ballistic missile strikes.

The limited nature of Israel’s airstrikes—reportedly involving around 100 advanced fighter jets from Tel Aviv—has puzzled analysts, with many speculating on the “failure” of Tel Aviv to inflict widespread destruction on Iran.

Some in Israel and the United States argue that Israel deliberately conducted a “limited airstrike” on Iran, allegedly due to Washington’s influence, as the U.S. sought to prevent the conflict between Tehran and Tel Aviv from escalating, especially with the U.S. presidential election only weeks away.

Leaked intelligence from U.S. agencies, including the National Security Agency (NSA) and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, reportedly impacted the scale of Israel’s planned airstrikes.

Recently, however, Israeli intelligence has pointed to Iran’s air defense capabilities as the primary reason behind the limited impact of Israel’s strikes on October 25 and 26.

Iran’s air defense systems reportedly succeeded in thwarting the Israeli fighter jets’ attack.

“Reports from Israel indicate that Israeli Air Force’s F-35 ‘Adir’ stealth fighters were ‘locked on’ by Iran’s air defense radar while they were still in Iraqi airspace, en route to Iran’s border,” stated one intelligence source.

“At that moment, the Israeli stealth aircraft were several hundred kilometers from the Iraq-Iran border.”

Israeli intelligence sources report that Russian and Iranian-made air defense systems could target the Israeli fighters at great distances, potentially intercepting them well outside Tehran’s airspace.

“The Israeli fighters may have been hundreds of miles from pre-identified targets within Iran, near the maximum range of the air-launched ballistic missiles (ALBM) ‘Rocks’ and ‘Blue Sparrow,’ which were intended to neutralize Iran’s air defense radar sites,” the report added.


Iran’s radar capabilities in detecting Israel’s stealth fighters reportedly caught the Israeli Air Force by surprise, compelling them to launch missiles prematurely and retreat.

“It was shocking for Israel, forcing them to launch the ALBM before reaching the optimal position initially planned, and then return to Israeli airspace,” according to the Israeli intelligence report.

This incident marked the first time Iran or Russia’s air defense radar systems had ‘locked on’ to Israeli F-35 ‘Adir’ stealth fighters, surprising Israeli military leadership.

Russia’s S-300 system, operated by Iran, alongside other domestically developed Iranian defense systems, demonstrated their capability in countering an Israeli stealth fighter attack.

In April, it is reported that Russia and Iran mapped Israel’s entire air defense network, enabling
 
Still counts as a Class A mishap and you must have really, really bad pilots to have that many mistakes, or something wrong with the design that leads to it. 7 aircraft losses now with how many flying hours with the French AF alone? When you have a million flying hours, come back and compare notes.
1 spatial disorientation,
2 X 2 aircrafts self collided.
1 fall short petrol after a pilot mistake in refueling
1 was lost during a dog fight training with a USN SH18 (a kind of Maverick & Goose accident)

4 lost in the sole french marine.
Sure that it's impossible to happend in the GB navy....
 
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Israeli Airstrike Falters as F-35 Adir Locked On by Iranian Air Defense Radar

Recent intelligence from Israel reveals that the primary reason for the "limited impact" of Israel's airstrikes on Iran on October 25 and 26 was due to the capabilities of Iran’s air defense systems. Reports indicate that Iran’s air defenses successfully thwarted the Israeli fighter jets’ aerial assault.

On October 25 and 26, Israel launched airstrikes targeting key military sites in Iran in response to Tehran’s launch of over 200 ballistic missiles directed at the Jewish state.

However, international analysts report that the impact of Israel’s airstrikes was highly limited, with only minor damage sustained at the targeted military sites due to the air-launched ballistic missile strikes.

The limited nature of Israel’s airstrikes—reportedly involving around 100 advanced fighter jets from Tel Aviv—has puzzled analysts, with many speculating on the “failure” of Tel Aviv to inflict widespread destruction on Iran.

Some in Israel and the United States argue that Israel deliberately conducted a “limited airstrike” on Iran, allegedly due to Washington’s influence, as the U.S. sought to prevent the conflict between Tehran and Tel Aviv from escalating, especially with the U.S. presidential election only weeks away.

Leaked intelligence from U.S. agencies, including the National Security Agency (NSA) and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, reportedly impacted the scale of Israel’s planned airstrikes.

Recently, however, Israeli intelligence has pointed to Iran’s air defense capabilities as the primary reason behind the limited impact of Israel’s strikes on October 25 and 26.

Iran’s air defense systems reportedly succeeded in thwarting the Israeli fighter jets’ attack.

“Reports from Israel indicate that Israeli Air Force’s F-35 ‘Adir’ stealth fighters were ‘locked on’ by Iran’s air defense radar while they were still in Iraqi airspace, en route to Iran’s border,” stated one intelligence source.

“At that moment, the Israeli stealth aircraft were several hundred kilometers from the Iraq-Iran border.”

Israeli intelligence sources report that Russian and Iranian-made air defense systems could target the Israeli fighters at great distances, potentially intercepting them well outside Tehran’s airspace.

“The Israeli fighters may have been hundreds of miles from pre-identified targets within Iran, near the maximum range of the air-launched ballistic missiles (ALBM) ‘Rocks’ and ‘Blue Sparrow,’ which were intended to neutralize Iran’s air defense radar sites,” the report added.


Iran’s radar capabilities in detecting Israel’s stealth fighters reportedly caught the Israeli Air Force by surprise, compelling them to launch missiles prematurely and retreat.

“It was shocking for Israel, forcing them to launch the ALBM before reaching the optimal position initially planned, and then return to Israeli airspace,” according to the Israeli intelligence report.

This incident marked the first time Iran or Russia’s air defense radar systems had ‘locked on’ to Israeli F-35 ‘Adir’ stealth fighters, surprising Israeli military leadership.

Russia’s S-300 system, operated by Iran, alongside other domestically developed Iranian defense systems, demonstrated their capability in countering an Israeli stealth fighter attack.

In April, it is reported that Russia and Iran mapped Israel’s entire air defense network, enabling
Lot of uses of 'reportedly' without any actual report cited. Lacks credibility. Seems to be about Asians trying to save face for the Russian air defence systems they bought. At the end of the day, Israel hit far more targets than Iran did, without haveing to expend 200+ expensive MRBMs to do so and with actual indisputable evidence.

1 spatial disorientation,
2 X 2 aircrafts self collided.
1 fall short petrol after a pilot mistake in refueling
1 was lost during a dog fight training with a USN SH18 (a kind of Maverick & Goose accident)

4 lost in the sole french marine.
Sure that it's impossible to happend in the GB navy....
You must have terrible pilots then.
 

Israeli Airstrike Falters as F-35 Adir Locked On by Iranian Air Defense Radar

Recent intelligence from Israel reveals that the primary reason for the "limited impact" of Israel's airstrikes on Iran on October 25 and 26 was due to the capabilities of Iran’s air defense systems. Reports indicate that Iran’s air defenses successfully thwarted the Israeli fighter jets’ aerial assault.

On October 25 and 26, Israel launched airstrikes targeting key military sites in Iran in response to Tehran’s launch of over 200 ballistic missiles directed at the Jewish state.

However, international analysts report that the impact of Israel’s airstrikes was highly limited, with only minor damage sustained at the targeted military sites due to the air-launched ballistic missile strikes.

The limited nature of Israel’s airstrikes—reportedly involving around 100 advanced fighter jets from Tel Aviv—has puzzled analysts, with many speculating on the “failure” of Tel Aviv to inflict widespread destruction on Iran.

Some in Israel and the United States argue that Israel deliberately conducted a “limited airstrike” on Iran, allegedly due to Washington’s influence, as the U.S. sought to prevent the conflict between Tehran and Tel Aviv from escalating, especially with the U.S. presidential election only weeks away.

Leaked intelligence from U.S. agencies, including the National Security Agency (NSA) and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, reportedly impacted the scale of Israel’s planned airstrikes.

Recently, however, Israeli intelligence has pointed to Iran’s air defense capabilities as the primary reason behind the limited impact of Israel’s strikes on October 25 and 26.

Iran’s air defense systems reportedly succeeded in thwarting the Israeli fighter jets’ attack.

“Reports from Israel indicate that Israeli Air Force’s F-35 ‘Adir’ stealth fighters were ‘locked on’ by Iran’s air defense radar while they were still in Iraqi airspace, en route to Iran’s border,” stated one intelligence source.

“At that moment, the Israeli stealth aircraft were several hundred kilometers from the Iraq-Iran border.”

Israeli intelligence sources report that Russian and Iranian-made air defense systems could target the Israeli fighters at great distances, potentially intercepting them well outside Tehran’s airspace.

“The Israeli fighters may have been hundreds of miles from pre-identified targets within Iran, near the maximum range of the air-launched ballistic missiles (ALBM) ‘Rocks’ and ‘Blue Sparrow,’ which were intended to neutralize Iran’s air defense radar sites,” the report added.


Iran’s radar capabilities in detecting Israel’s stealth fighters reportedly caught the Israeli Air Force by surprise, compelling them to launch missiles prematurely and retreat.

“It was shocking for Israel, forcing them to launch the ALBM before reaching the optimal position initially planned, and then return to Israeli airspace,” according to the Israeli intelligence report.

This incident marked the first time Iran or Russia’s air defense radar systems had ‘locked on’ to Israeli F-35 ‘Adir’ stealth fighters, surprising Israeli military leadership.

Russia’s S-300 system, operated by Iran, alongside other domestically developed Iranian defense systems, demonstrated their capability in countering an Israeli stealth fighter attack.

In April, it is reported that Russia and Iran mapped Israel’s entire air defense network, enabling
A friggin blog? Try again Monsieur ribbit.
 
That's 13 hit for 100 planes. Not exactly a good ratio. Compare to 32 on NEVATIM air base and one other israël air base.
Likely not all 100 aircraft were on a strike mission or even strike aircraft. When you say 32 hits, 32 missile hits the ground but only about 2 actually hit anything other than the ground, again satellite imagery proves it.


This report only says dozens of aircraft and they flew over 1,000 miles, which puts them firmly inside Iranian airspace.

People reposting information from the same blog. You'd be surprised how many articles are written from twitter posts these days. Show me a shotdown aircraft.
 
Here's your clue as to veracity of claims.

“At that moment, the Israeli stealth aircraft were several hundred kilometers from the Iraq-Iran border.”

Indeed, from several hundred km away under israeli EW they detected a stealth fighter?:D With such a sophisticated system, it's a wonder any targets got destroyed, especially around Tehran itself. They likely detected a spoofed image of an F-15 about to launch ALBMs at them.

What's also noteworthy is that the F-35 isn't an F-117 in that it does have advanced ESM and it will see and categorise the radar long before the radar sees it, the display then shows the effective range of that radar against their current config. so that they can fly around it, or destroy it depending on the mission.
 
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