Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

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By the was some investment by Chinese in Israeli technology sectors, US put pressure to put halt on such invstments no idea what is the status now.

ThetaRay Cybersecurity company that specializes in detection and prevention of advanced persistent threats, which are high-level cyber actors, usually nation states a funded by Alibaba. ThetaRay’s products aim to detect and prevent cyber intrusions from Chinese government actors.

Kaymera Cybersecurity start-up focused on mobile devices, investment from GoCapital. Kaymera’s security products are marketed toward governments as well as businesses; Kaymera’s founders have military security backgrounds.

bToga Networks IT and telecommunications company; the nature of Huawei’s relationship with Toga is unclearc investment from Huawei. Potentially sensitive technologies; investment by Huawei, a company with suspect ties to the Chinese military and government.

HexaTier Database security company; according to Reuters, “Huawei will use HexaTier to set up a research and development center in Israel for databases in the cloud”d Huawei Potentially sensitive technologies; investment by Huawei, a company with suspect ties to the Chinese military and government.

Copyleaks Company’s product uses artificial intelligence to identify plagiarism Identity of chinese investment unknown. Copyleaks’ founders were formerly programmers in the 8200 unit in the Israeli Defense Forces, which is responsible for signals intelligence and is comparable to the National Security Agency in the United States.

Singulariteam VC fund that aims to “focus investments into new areas like machine learning, artificial intelligence and robotics”a Tencent Holdings, Renren Potential for dual-use technology; Singulariteam also raised funds from an “unnamed Russian investor.

Source: RAND :D

And If India is using any tech from any of the firms, then they need to update I think. It very wrong to say if India has Israeli tech then other won't be able to get the signature of the EW. They get it through different channels, and that's what whole thing is about.

PS: It is possible that this Data is wrong or intentionally put by Chinese to defame companies.

(Kis level pe kaand hota hai logo ko maloom hi nahi :p )
 
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Don't bring Rafale here, IAF not gonna use any Rafale in nearby future in anynof the conflict with China/Pakistan
We have just one Rafale! Bhai iklote bacche ko baksh do! Rafale is not going to see any action anytime soon.
 

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If my memory is correct that readiness is for a possible bombing missions deep inside Pakistan,that too after parliament attack. In Kargil do we have used in any bombing mission?
Jags were designed for low level penetration as a strike aircraft. So they will need escorts in every mission except for sea strikes. I dont recall any bombing undertaken by Jags across our borders.
 

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This former Navy Chief is also.talking of
Alliances

We must not waste any more.time

Get into an alliance with US and start pushing back the Chinese
Your Pt. Jawahar Chacha has signed NAM
 

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Why will anyone want to migrate and live in a desert like Tibet? They have over a billion Hans. They settle them in countries like Australia and England and even on artificial islands in South China sea. A few 100 Hans living in Ladakh is enough to give legitimacy to Han claims. They use their population as a geopolitical weapon we can't even use our excess biharis and UP bhaiyas to change demographics in Kashmir and Kerela....
The question is ends and not means.
 

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This former Navy Chief is also.talking of
Alliances

We must not waste any more.time

Get into an alliance with US and start pushing back the Chinese
He's also advocated seeking accommodation with China.
 

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Get into an alliance with US and start pushing back the Chinese
You get respect in alliance only when you are equals. If not it will just turn into lopsided affair where one gains and other loses. We can only have an understanding with US not an alliance. We only on agree on matters wrt china and rest of it we are at logger heads pakistan for example. In fact US is a country which will screw even neutral countries. In short we need to build up our capacity & capability then go for quid pro quo.
 
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You get respect in alliance only when you are equals. If not it will just turn into lopsided affair where one gains and other loses. We can only have an understanding with US not an alliance. We only on agree on matters wrt china and rest of it we are at logger heads pakistan for example. In fact US is a country which will screw even neutral countries. In short we need to build up our capacity & capability then go for quid pro quo.
100%
Chinese whatever they are doing they are atleast manufacturing for themselves. India where has past 30 years ruined it's in house production. Now even Pashmina is made in China LOL!
 

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You get respect in alliance only when you are equals. If not it will just turn into lopsided affair where one gains and other loses. We can only have an understanding with US not an alliance. We only on agree on matters wrt china and rest of it we are at logger heads pakistan for example. In fact US is a country which will screw even neutral countries. In short we need to build up our capacity & capability then go for quid pro quo.
A low key alliance similar to how the Chinese had during the Cold war. Why be so cautious? It's us who should take a pound of flesh from them similar to how the Chinese did. The Americans are desperate to ally with us. They need a cannon fodder. We just become a good enough bait so that we can take the technology and industry. When the time of fighting comes based on the situation we should switch our alliances. We need to be pragmatic, Indian industry has just entered it's nascent stage compared to other economies we need high investment in technology we should build our technology base at the same time use western technology till an Indian replacement is ready. We need to rattle the Chinese. The only reason they happily go hippoty hoppity on our borders is because they know we can't do much apart from looking at them and engaging them in small skirmishes. If you really want to rattle the Chinese just choose the obvious side. Wasting our time in Pan-Asianism is the same nehruvian fallacy which screwed us up post independence. There should be only Indian interest and the best interest for us is to have a bellicose posture against the Cheeni peasants. The Japanese and the Koreans are placing strategic U.S systems like THAAD and the Chinks can only whine like Chimpanzees. Giving Quad a military posture and recognising Taiwan should be enough for us to rattle The Chinkies. Two simple steps. They will any way do intrusions all over the Indo-chinese border atleast let's reap economic dividends from it. There will be another round of border talks anyway and things will go back to normal. If Pakistan can be a nuisance to us we can be a nuisance to the Chinese. This doesn't mean to prop terror groups like the Pakistanis but take openly offensive measures to show what our true intentions are and then act dumb like Pakistanis and denying everything. The Chinese love business and if in retaliation they stop investing in something as simple replace it with Indian manufacturing and Western investment. In each case we gain. And knowing the Chinese they will protect their business interests than actually doing anything on ground because they have "time" on their side. Once the Xi pooping starts losing face in front of the Cheeni awam because of dirty Indians he will end up getting replaced pretty soon. We need someone with enough balls to do this....
 
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Why be so cautious? It's us who should take a pound of flesh from them similar to how the Chinese did. The Americans are desperate to ally with us.
They have been desperate since ages, but you can't allow them to have their boots on Indian territory for long apart from some exercise.
We just become a good enough bait so that we can take the technology and industry.
How much technology and industry could saudis, pakistanis or others take? Japan, Germany and Italy, they were already best in technology so they didn't need much from US. US will not give you any technology.

The Japanese and the Koreans are placing strategic U.S systems like THAAD and the Chinks can only whine like Chimpanzees.
Japanese lost the world war 2 so they have to depend on US before deploying any system, S. Koreans have trouble game with NoKo so again Americans are there. In South Asia the dynamics are different. India has always stayed away from US due to many reasons. More over India is a nuclear power, so don't worry.

India and China should not engage eachother directly. Chinese are fools who fail to understand this.
 

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The question is ends and not means.
Guys have already given good enough reason from connecting Tibet to some mythical water wars. Personally it's seem it's aimed more to claim the Entire Tibet and Tibetan culture sphere and in that sense hijack buddhism from India. Since Ladakh and Arunachal are in some sense the last bastions of pure Buddhism in India which were also part of Tibetan empire for a brief point of time.The PRC doesn't seem to look things in what strategic advantage it can reap when it comes to border issues. It looks it's more to restor the rightful position of China and China deserves the entire land according to their imaginary maps. Taking over Taiwan itself gives no real advantage but they still threaten them. There land claims in Vietnam seems to be for a similar reason. The SCS claims had an economic reason. Their territorial claims on the other hand seem to be based on self flagellation more than anything...
 

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Guys have already given good enough reason from connecting Tibet to some mythical water wars. Personally it's seem it's aimed more to claim the Entire Tibet and Tibetan culture sphere and in that sense hijack buddhism from India. Since Ladakh and Arunachal are in some sense the last bastions of pure Buddhism in India which were also part of Tibetan empire for a brief point of time.The PRC doesn't seem to look things in what strategic advantage it can reap when it comes to border issues. It looks it's more to restor the rightful position of China and China deserves the entire land according to their imaginary maps. Taking over Taiwan itself gives no real advantage but they still threaten them. There land claims in Vietnam seems to be for a similar reason. The SCS claims had an economic reason. Their territorial claims on the other hand seem to be based on self flagellation more than anything...
Sorry dude, that does not compute. Why? Had that been the reason, China would have taken over entire Ladakh in 1962 itself. That time India was really really really weak and China had massive fear of rebellion in Tibet. Also, there was no point of withdrawing from eastern theatre.

In present scenario, It will be impossible for China to actually support war effort in Ladakh to capture it. If war drags on till winter, they will either have to retreat or will be butchered badly.
 

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They have been desperate since ages, but you can't allow them to have their boots on Indian territory for long apart from some exercise.
I never said of having American boots on Indian grounds. The problem with a lot of strategic experts I read up was the fear of bring U.S troops. I clearly said a closer alliance postion with U.S against China similar to how the Chinese were allied with the Americans post the Sino-Soviet split. Get that Gucci technology and fund your civillian and military tech endeavours. On the military front we can be allied like France a decent amount of interoperability but no U.S troops on Indian bases. Is this proposition in any way bad? When U.S acts funny let's be in our seperate ways. The Americans by that time will decay...
How much technology and industry could saudis, pakistanis or others take? Japan, Germany and Italy, they were already best in technology so they didn't need much from US. US will not give you any technology.
The Pakistanis wasted all their resources in spreading Jihad. Saudi on the other hand is nonsensically rich because of the Oil business. Saudi has still more geopolitical influence than India let's be serious. The oil money buys some real influence even though they are idiots. These two countries are an exception than the norm.And Saudi still has a very strong oil industry so it's not even an exception. Let's look at countries that have clearly benefitted from U.S alliances. These include China,Japan,South Korea,Taiwan,Singapore majority of the western world under the Marshall Plan. All of them used U.S technology to get in the position they are, all of them are first world developed countries except China and that too is being reconsidered nowadays. I'm not some U.S flag bearer in support of our capitalist overlords but let's be real American technology is still the leader in every front. Even Vietnam had to ally with the Americans to bring in more industry and manufacturing.
We will have to face the Chinese let's be clear avoid this Aman ka tamasha with the Chinese. Keep the economics free from our geopolitical engagements and we are free to do anything we want..