Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

vstol Jockey

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The main goal is to buy time. We failed at modernising for many years, but we are doing it now. But what's more important is the construction of border infrastructure.

According to the Chinese Warzone Campaign, they planned to take away our territories in three phases. One is the domination cum deterrence phase, where they would build infrastructure and position troops. The second phase is the gaining initiative by striking first, basically what they did recently. So the main mantra is to take the enemy by surprise. The third phase would be quick battle quick resolution, where they would move in with a large force and occupy territory. And these details were released publicly to the aam janta nearly 10 years ago.

In order to prevent war, we needed to counter the first two phases of the WZC, and this required infrastructure. Since 2014, the govt has built enough infrastructure in most of the critical areas needed. So the potential for war through the WZC has become very small, to the point of not possible. What's critical to this is building more and more infra, the more we do this, the lesser the chance of the Chinese taking India by surprise, hence the lesser the chance of the Chinese applying the WZC.

The above is the principle reason why China attempted this circus in order to dissuade India from building more infra at the border, and also roll back the infra already built. I mean, if what you have worked on for 20+ years is suddenly rendered useless in just 3 years of infra construction, then you are naturally going to be very, very pissed off.

So the more we buy time, the greater is our posture for deterrence, and the greater the potential to avoid war. China is going to have to find a new way to go to war with India now.


The current goal is to match Chinese border infrastructure by early 2025.

Apart from improving border infrastructure, we also need to improve regional connectivity, especially to Myanmar and Thailand, at war footing. 'Cause what's stopping China from doing a Belgium on India? We can't do anything on our west, but we can in the east. We also need to effectively connect the NE to the rest of India from at least three routes, one is what already exists through Siliguri, the other through BD and the third through Myanmar.

Since the Chinese failed to attack last year, their best chance of attacking India is practically gone. Six months ago, war looked inevitable. But now, war is somewhat likely to very unlikely unless the Chinese change everything from the perspective of doctrine. If the Chinese do not do anything this year, then we will have successfully dissuaded China from trying any new large scale circus act for many years. Replacing the WZC is going to take them a very, very long time.
One more aspect to add this is that PLA used mechanised forces to move in rapidly which relied on good infra on their side. But IA also moved in very rapidly and on 29-30 Aug, gained massive tactical advantage over the PLA mechanised forces thru its Mountain strike force elements who not only dominated PLA forces but rendered their positions undefensible. Next time PLA will have to rely more on regular Mountain infantry to fight in these areas than the Mech forces.
 

STEPHEN COHEN

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We need atleast 150 RAFALES , ie 114 plus 36 , for a permanent clampdown on the Chinese

Obviously we also need More Missiles ,MBRLs and ATAGS , K 9s and M 777

Chinese are cowards , they dont want to DIE for land


If they were really brave , they would have conquered TAIWAN by Now
 

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One more aspect to add this is that PLA used mechanised forces to move in rapidly which relied on good infra on their side. But IA also moved in very rapidly and on 29-30 Aug, gained massive tactical advantage over the PLA mechanised forces thru its Mountain strike force elements who not only dominated PLA forces but rendered their positions undefensible. Next time PLA will have to rely more on regular Mountain infantry to fight in these areas than the Mech forces.

Yep. Matching their deployment took care of DCD, GISF and QBQR.

And then we turned the tables on them with the op in Aug.

So...
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The PLAGF need more training.
 

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dont worry ppl in Myanmar are already pissed off with them. This will add more fuel to fire. Just waiting for the day their embassy will be thrashed by the native ppl.
Unlikely. If there are inside its with the tacit approval of the Junta. Anyone who tries something at their embassy will be shot.
 

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Unlikely. If there are inside its with the tacit approval of the Junta. Anyone who tries something at their embassy will be shot.
That will make it more worse, already chinese factories have come under attack. Firing to save chinese will make china the number one enemy.
 

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That will make it more worse, already chinese factories have come under attack. Firing to save chinese will make china the number one enemy.

The Junta is a small scale setup with a direct land border. China can keep it propped up for a long time even under pressure. Myanmar is used to sanctions, they wont make an impact to disrupt normal life sufficiently to get people on the streets.

Unless there is a open/discreet effort to counter the situation Myanmar is red for the near future.
 

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The Junta is a small scale setup with a direct land border. China can keep it propped up for a long time even under pressure. Myanmar is used to sanctions, they wont make an impact to disrupt normal life sufficiently to get people on the streets.

Unless there is a open/discreet effort to counter the situation Myanmar is red for the near future.
doubtful, even though myanmar has been under sanctions last 4 years or so ppl lived in a quasi democracy where they still had some sort of rights. That being taken away will cause a lot of resentment , china may still hold sway over the junta but on the ground ppl will be holding grudges.
 

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Unlikely. If there are inside its with the tacit approval of the Junta. Anyone who tries something at their embassy will be shot.

The Question is How many people the Junta is willing to kill

If there are millions of deaths due to hunger and disease , then it only benefits CHINA , they will walk in and occupy Myanmar


 
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Vacating from P tso North bank and south bank has been the biggest mistake. We had them by their neck and now they are free.

Isn't it obvious that they won't go back from other places where they have gained some advantage when the places they faced disadvantages were vacated? Now I'm wondering what GoI's gameplan is, if they have other ways to turn the screws on them.
 
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vstol Jockey

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Isn't it obvious that they won't go back from other places where they have gained some advantage when the places they faced disadvantages were vacated? Now I'm wondering what GoI's gameplan is, if they have other ways to turn the screws on them.
I ahd told earlier also that withdrawal from P tso was our Shimla moment.
 
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I had expected the govt to dangle some other carrot to force the Chinese to withdraw completely. If no such carrot exists, then the govt's move was extremely foolish.

I think govt went extra mile to prevent similar situation, or armed conflict at the least, in future by showing good faith because the trajectory we are on, it seems inevitable.