Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

vstol Jockey

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It seems IA is truly preparing for two front war. The additional 35k troops are for Kargil sector to make a push towards Skardu/GB. This is to counter the PLA move to break off DBO from India. I am getting more and more convinced that IA will attack first this time at a time of its choosing.
 

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It seems IA is truly preparing for two front war. The additional 35k troops are for Kargil sector to make a push towards Skardu/GB. This is to counter the PLA move to break off DBO from India. I am getting more and more convinced that IA will attack first this time at a time of its choosing.
Stupid Indian media giving this Chinese cockroach a platform to air his propaganda unchallenged. They should ask him questions like " Are Chinese hardwired to lie with a straight face ?" Or " Is xi the undisputed dictator of China like Hitler ? "
Instead the media will just be willing tools in the hands of foreign higher ups because of a ingrained inferiority complex wrt foreigners.
Remember how Musharraf manipulated the media so easily during his visit.
Push him out of his comfort zone.
 

maint1234

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It seems IA is truly preparing for two front war. The additional 35k troops are for Kargil sector to make a push towards Skardu/GB. This is to counter the PLA move to break off DBO from India. I am getting more and more convinced that IA will attack first this time at a time of its choosing.
Hope you are wrong. India has concentrated a lot of its troops in the kashmir region , while we share a large boundary with China in the east. The Chinese wont oblige us by attacking where we are well defended or not ingressing where we are lightly defended.
 

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Stupid Indian media giving this Chinese cockroach a platform to air his propaganda unchallenged. They should ask him questions like " Are Chinese hardwired to lie with a straight face ?" Or " Is xi the undisputed dictator of China like Hitler ? "
Instead the media will just be willing tools in the hands of foreign higher ups because of a ingrained inferiority complex wrt foreigners.
Remember how Musharraf manipulated the media so easily during his visit.
Push him out of his comfort zone.

Do you know how Vijayanagar Empire fell and how Hampi was sieged and looted? Some pissfulls turned and did covert ops. And it's not just one instance.
It seems IA is truly preparing for two front war. The additional 35k troops are for Kargil sector to make a push towards Skardu/GB. This is to counter the PLA move to break off DBO from India. I am getting more and more convinced that IA will attack first this time at a time of its choosing.

it's more important to check 0.5 front. The total strength of adversary is not just PLA and Pak military, it's another 10 crore people within India.
 
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Indo-Pacific encouraged by India standing up to China: US NSC official
India showed “will and capability to stand up to China” in the recent border conflict, said Lisa Curtis, senior director for South and Central Asia, US National Security Council. The rest of the Indo-Pacific countries are “watching this carefully” and have been “encouraged by India’s resolve.”

Curtis said this during a Brookings Institution webinar on Wednesday assessing China’s growing regional influence. India, she noted, had “played the economic card” by banning Chinese apps and putting a hold on Chinese investments.

“Thankfully,” she said, we are “beginning to see disengagement of forces” and “hoped it continues.” But the “pressure that China put on India on the Line of Actual Control” will have a long-term impact on how India views China and will “change the dynamics between the two.” An experienced South Asia hand who has served the US government in both India and Pakistan, Curtis said, “Few countries are more familiar with China’s malign influence than India.”

China’s “recent aggressive stance [in Ladakh] fits with the larger pattern of Chinese aggressiveness in other parts of the world.” Strengthening the US-India defence and security relationship has been a major element of Washington’s response and seeks to make India a “net security provider.” The relationship is more than just defence, she said, and cited the highlights of US President Donald Trump’s state visit to India in areas like economics and the present scientific collaboration in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic.

Twenty-five years ago China did not take India seriously, she said. India was seen as “inward-looking and lagging in its economic indicators.” Fifteen years ago, as India’s growth and military capabilities began taking off, there was a line of thinking that India and China would work together and “usher in a new Asian century.” From about 2010 or so differences over the long standing border dispute reemerged and each side became “uncomfortable” with the rise of the other. China’s influence in India’s neighbourhood, such as in Sri Lanka and Nepal, moved from economic to “more and more interference in domestic politics.”

Curtis said China’s influence in South Asia had grown significantly over the past 20 years. And Beijing’s actions were causing blowback. The Maldivian people had “pushed back” attempts by former president, Mohammed Yameen, to make his country dependent on Chinese debt by voting him out of office. Yameen had “awarded construction contracts to Chinese companies at inflated prices and without transparent bidding, leaving the Maldivian people with enormous debt.”

While the US had provided counterterrorism help to Sri Lanka after the 2019 Easter terrorist bombings, Beijing had “tried to obstruct Sri Lanka’s investigations and spread disinformation about US assistance.” Bangladesh was “carefully balancing” between China and the rest, but praised their acceptance of one million Rohingya refugees.

Nepal and Bhutan were examples of China disregarding the sovereignty of its neighbours. Chinese official media in May had claiming the the entirety of Mount Everest for China and, more recently, Beijing claiming a natural park in eastern Bhutan.

After discussing US attempts to roll back Chinese influence in Central Asia, Curtis mentioned Pakistan at the end of her written comments. “Nowhere in South and Central Asia has Chinese influence been more invasive than in Pakistan.” The $ 60 billion China Pakistan Economic Corridor was neither aid nor an equity investment of the kind that had propelled China’s own growth. CPEC is being financed through sovereign debt which means the “risks are borne by the Pakistani people and the benefits accrue to China.” However, she cited Beijing and Washington’s common support for an end to violence in Afghanistan as evidence the two countries could work together and stressed the US had “deep and abiding respect for the Chinese people.”

India had been a sceptic of China’s Belt Road Initiative “from the beginning” and proven “very prescient” and its scepticism “was bearing out.” Countries in the region recovering from the pandemic should turn to international financial institutions to help their recovery or new US agencies like the Development Finance Corporation.

It was “disappointing” that Muslim majority countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh were not speaking out about China’s mass imprisonment of its Muslim Uighur and Kazakh minorities. The goal of US engagement in South and Central Asia, she said, was to allow them to “maintain their sovereignty and be able to make choices” in economic and other spheres.

Early in his presidency, she said, Trump had asked the NSC staff to reevaluate the assumptions behind the US’s China policy. She said, one assumption that was discarded was that greater engagement with China would lead to greater liberalisation. It was also concluded that China was exporting its coercive model to other parts of the world. The US reappraised its policy towards China and decided a “more competitive” relationship would test the resilience of US allies and partners and help resist Chinese actions that undermined US interests. “The US is more willing to risk in its relations with China,” Curtis said.
 

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Hope you are wrong. India has concentrated a lot of its troops in the kashmir region , while we share a large boundary with China in the east. The Chinese wont oblige us by attacking where we are well defended or not ingressing where we are lightly defended.
We will attack them. They need not oblige us by attacking us first? Who attacked first in Galwan Valley? Dont you think that first round has already been fired?
Bully acting a victim ... They are now building a face saving exit narrative, mainly for the domestic population. Bunch of clowns.
Sorry, they are here for a fight and they dont mind anything. Forget about what this idiot says. The game is on. Modi has been challenged and so is India. We need to show China who is the real boss of Asia.
 

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Hope you are wrong. India has concentrated a lot of its troops in the kashmir region , while we share a large boundary with China in the east. The Chinese wont oblige us by attacking where we are well defended or not ingressing where we are lightly defended.
Who gave you this information? Do you know the extent of mobilisation of IA? Even I do not know it.

it's more important to check 0.5 front. The total strength of adversary is not just PLA and Pak military, it's another 10 crore people within India.
The 0.5 front is very well taken care of by RSS and Bajrang Dal. Remember Delhi riots? We taught a lesson to those who had prepared for it over three months within 24 hrs.
 

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Who gave you this information? Do you know the extent of mobilisation of IA? Even I do not know it.


The 0.5 front is very well taken care of by RSS and Bajrang Dal. Remember Delhi riots? We taught a lesson to those who had prepared for it over three months within 24 hrs.
Just responding to your post that the troops might be going to kashmir , kargil in your previous post.
I feel the Pakistani front is adequately defended and so is the Chinese front in the ladakh region.
The gaps in the other regions facing China need to be filled.
But what do i know , just speculating.
 

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We will attack them. They need not oblige us by attacking us first? Who attacked first in Galwan Valley? Dont you think that first round has already been fired?

Sorry, they are here for a fight and they dont mind anything. Forget about what this idiot says. The game is on. Modi has been challenged and so is India. We need to show China who is the real boss of Asia.

I think this fool Xi's overconfidence of getting the desired results of the mind games he is playing with all of china's neighbors has backfired on him in a very big way. Large parts of mainland china is inundated in floods for the past two months. Citizens are protesting in large numbers for lost jobs. The pandemic has put severe brakes on exports, hence international trade is hit. Moreover anti-china sentiments of countries are rising. chinese companies are getting banned all over the world.

August brings annual CPC meet of top members where Xi will have to answer for the mess he created for pursuing brutal ambitions of his twisted ego. It is very likely he will face very rough weather there.

He either starts a war to divert the mind of top members of CPC. Or withdraws to focus on internal issues. And he for sure does not have any quick fix for the internal problems. So, like you rightly say, that his only option may be for a war. And in the war, if India gives china a major defeat, the PLA will revolt as well as the CPC will run to get to Xi's neck.

In short, next few months, Xi's stars seem to be trapping him in his egocentric and psychopathic approach to his agenda of expansionist and imperialist mind games.
 

vstol Jockey

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Just responding to your post that the troops might be going to kashmir , kargil in your previous post.
I feel the Pakistani front is adequately defended and so is the Chinese front in the ladakh region.
The gaps in the other regions facing China need to be filled.
But what do i know , just speculating.
We are very strongly placed all along the LAC barring the central sector. But as I had mentioned in my earlier posts, this seems to be a delibrate move by IA to lure PLA in this sector.
 

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Indo-Pacific encouraged by India standing up to China: US NSC official
India showed “will and capability to stand up to China” in the recent border conflict, said Lisa Curtis, senior director for South and Central Asia, US National Security Council. The rest of the Indo-Pacific countries are “watching this carefully” and have been “encouraged by India’s resolve.”

Curtis said this during a Brookings Institution webinar on Wednesday assessing China’s growing regional influence. India, she noted, had “played the economic card” by banning Chinese apps and putting a hold on Chinese investments.

“Thankfully,” she said, we are “beginning to see disengagement of forces” and “hoped it continues.” But the “pressure that China put on India on the Line of Actual Control” will have a long-term impact on how India views China and will “change the dynamics between the two.” An experienced South Asia hand who has served the US government in both India and Pakistan, Curtis said, “Few countries are more familiar with China’s malign influence than India.”

China’s “recent aggressive stance [in Ladakh] fits with the larger pattern of Chinese aggressiveness in other parts of the world.” Strengthening the US-India defence and security relationship has been a major element of Washington’s response and seeks to make India a “net security provider.” The relationship is more than just defence, she said, and cited the highlights of US President Donald Trump’s state visit to India in areas like economics and the present scientific collaboration in fighting the Covid-19 pandemic.

Twenty-five years ago China did not take India seriously, she said. India was seen as “inward-looking and lagging in its economic indicators.” Fifteen years ago, as India’s growth and military capabilities began taking off, there was a line of thinking that India and China would work together and “usher in a new Asian century.” From about 2010 or so differences over the long standing border dispute reemerged and each side became “uncomfortable” with the rise of the other. China’s influence in India’s neighbourhood, such as in Sri Lanka and Nepal, moved from economic to “more and more interference in domestic politics.”

Curtis said China’s influence in South Asia had grown significantly over the past 20 years. And Beijing’s actions were causing blowback. The Maldivian people had “pushed back” attempts by former president, Mohammed Yameen, to make his country dependent on Chinese debt by voting him out of office. Yameen had “awarded construction contracts to Chinese companies at inflated prices and without transparent bidding, leaving the Maldivian people with enormous debt.”

While the US had provided counterterrorism help to Sri Lanka after the 2019 Easter terrorist bombings, Beijing had “tried to obstruct Sri Lanka’s investigations and spread disinformation about US assistance.” Bangladesh was “carefully balancing” between China and the rest, but praised their acceptance of one million Rohingya refugees.

Nepal and Bhutan were examples of China disregarding the sovereignty of its neighbours. Chinese official media in May had claiming the the entirety of Mount Everest for China and, more recently, Beijing claiming a natural park in eastern Bhutan.

After discussing US attempts to roll back Chinese influence in Central Asia, Curtis mentioned Pakistan at the end of her written comments. “Nowhere in South and Central Asia has Chinese influence been more invasive than in Pakistan.” The $ 60 billion China Pakistan Economic Corridor was neither aid nor an equity investment of the kind that had propelled China’s own growth. CPEC is being financed through sovereign debt which means the “risks are borne by the Pakistani people and the benefits accrue to China.” However, she cited Beijing and Washington’s common support for an end to violence in Afghanistan as evidence the two countries could work together and stressed the US had “deep and abiding respect for the Chinese people.”

India had been a sceptic of China’s Belt Road Initiative “from the beginning” and proven “very prescient” and its scepticism “was bearing out.” Countries in the region recovering from the pandemic should turn to international financial institutions to help their recovery or new US agencies like the Development Finance Corporation.

It was “disappointing” that Muslim majority countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh were not speaking out about China’s mass imprisonment of its Muslim Uighur and Kazakh minorities. The goal of US engagement in South and Central Asia, she said, was to allow them to “maintain their sovereignty and be able to make choices” in economic and other spheres.

Early in his presidency, she said, Trump had asked the NSC staff to reevaluate the assumptions behind the US’s China policy. She said, one assumption that was discarded was that greater engagement with China would lead to greater liberalisation. It was also concluded that China was exporting its coercive model to other parts of the world. The US reappraised its policy towards China and decided a “more competitive” relationship would test the resilience of US allies and partners and help resist Chinese actions that undermined US interests. “The US is more willing to risk in its relations with China,” Curtis said.

And we have guys here still discussing about whether we made a hole in the JeM building in balakot
 

Sulla84

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This is the right time to reduce our dependence on China, for finished manufactured goods and intermediaries. The reduced demand due to covid menace, and Chinese aggression along the LAC will help mitigate any resistance. China does not depend on India for anything of significance. But, India's dependence on China makes it certain that a significant number of Indian industries will be adversely impacted in case of a Indo China war.