LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

200+ is a given, IMO. But LCA MK2 could be the perfect panacea for most of our reduced squadron problem. Due to the threat of a 2-front war, we need both quality and quantity. MK2, thanks to being a single-engined jet has much reduced maintenance, fuel costs, life-cycle costs, high-surge and sortie rates etc. It also has CAP endurance of 2 hours on just internal fuel, much reduced RCS when compared to MK1 as well. The advantages are numerous. If we are smart then ordering this jet in huge numbers is a no brainer choice. Let's see.

Mk2 is already so delayed by multiple reasons that Mk1A got additional orders (97 nos) eating into potential MK2 numbers.

This 83 + 97 = 180 numbers being built at 24/years in production facilities. Assuming we made 30 already.. 150 takes about 6 years to complete production and move into Mk 2 production. 2032 + we are looking at..

Mk 2 production will continue until TEDBF gets ready.. assuming 6+6 years from now, we got 6×24 = 144 numbers of Mk2.

Only way higher number achievable is when TEDBF is delayed, and mk2 continues production like Mk1A doing..

Your target of High numbers is possible if we start private sector additional line ..
We can start production earlier ,no need to wait mk1A to complete its run.
8 minimum ( 16 preferably ) + 24 thereafter making it 32 to 40 × 6 = 192 to 240 numbers.

Then convert part of the line to TEDBF.

After the first flight, let's see if there are talks about private line for MK2.
 
Let them get to 42 squadrons of modern aircrafts in next 15 years. We can talk about additional squadrons after that.

The path for that has already been cleared with just the current orders of LCA Mk1A, Mk2, and Rafale.

In 2035, we will have 38 squadrons without counting LCA Mk2. We can assume we can have 3 Mk2 squadrons and 1 AMCA to get up to 42 by then.

6 M2000 and Mig-29 squadrons will be replaced by the remaining AMCA FOC and 5 AMCA Mk2s.

Post that is the expansion of the IAF to between 45 and 54 squadrons while phasing out some MKIs, perhaps 2-4, and 2 Mk1 squadrons, that's where the options come in. To get to 45, we will have a 7-9-squadron hole to fill in. As many as 5 MKI squadrons can be phased out if SCAF/GCAP happen. At this point, we are in the second modernization cycle.

So the first one will complete in 2035, which means the follow-ons for Rafale and LCA Mk2 will have to be exercised in just a year or so after the first set of inductions to rapidly make up for the phasing out of Mig-29 and Mirage-2000 so AMCA ends up in the expansion phase.

Of course, we can end at 6 squadrons each and focus on AMCA and SCAF/GCAP, but at that point, proven will be more important than risk. And industry needs a larger order for them to contribute.
 
Current setback are being dealt with, and next set would be as well, and so on. We do RR and move on.

I don't believe it until I see it.

There is a good chance that not even 1 MK1A is inducted this year!!!!!!

Too much optimism in this thread makes me fuming. It's kinda how Gen Shankar talks about Indian military power in his youtube channel 'Gunners Shot'.
 
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I am reading unfortunately & this quote by you is a clear sign you wished to promote yourself as a credible source.

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Another low-iq attempt to lie by the professional storyteller proven wrong.

Nope, I've always claimed I'm neither an expert nor a source.

You are attacking me for merely posting my opinion. Who cares if what I post is wrong or right? Time will correct it. But you called me a scammer for just that. You are acting like you lost money betting on my post. But if you were, I have made a lot of claims, majority of them having come true anyway. I've made claims that even go against expert opinions that have turned out to be right.

You are free to challenge my claims, and I expect you to, but what's with all the name calling and mockery? Leave that crass attitude to Ignorants. He's more suited for it anyway.

Even if you assume what I posted about AMCA engine is my own claim, it's still a claim with a very high chance of happening, and time will prove me true as it usually does. See for yourself.
 
I think the crux of the issue with professional story teller is that he passes off his own personal opinions as official requirements.

He's done as much a few days ago claiming a conversation with GTRE officials on the proposed development of 2 classes of TFs - the 120 KN TF & 140 KN VCE TF where there isn't any official confirmation about it whatsoever from any government agency except one vague statement by the clueless Raksha Mantri about our need to develop 6th Gen FA (?) or was it TF .

Professional Story Teller read it & ran away with the story like he's done so many times in the past embellishing it considerably as is his wont & now when newbies call him out , he is deeply pained , resorting to everything from emotional atyachar to special pleading to passive aggression to challenging notions about the veracity of his claims by claiming he's no expert , hence shouldn't be taken at face value & so on.

In other words he himself admits he's an unreliable narrator in as many words aka a story teller. Another classic case of self goal like we've seen so many times in the past wherein PST aka Professional Story Teller adopts Position A as opposed to Position B of his opponent & in the heat of the battle comes to espouse Position B - that of his opponent's .

He's done this so many times now it's not even funny anymore , at least to the veterans here . @Rajput Lion
 
I've never seen you claim that.

Multiple times. You are obviously new here.

You always position yourself as an expert or know it all guy.

Nope. That's just your opinion of me. Plus this is the military, even expert opinion is fallible.

Even experts have been writing a whole lot of crap these days. Like that recent article about Rafale from Gen Katoch.

The point of getting others' viewpoints is to gain access to all potential possibilities, even stuff others have not thought of yet, and sometimes one or two of those end up being true. I merely happen to be the one posting my views across much larger timescales, and I merely happen to get many of those right. I also provide more alternate viewpoints compared to others and this gives off the impression that I know more. You assuming what I post is always supposed to be right makes it a "you" problem, not a "me" problem.

What I do is come up with various possibilities and choose the most probable one and put that up. For the rest I just use common sense.

As for AMCA's engine, our media journos are dumba*ses. If you go to the right people at the right place and ask the right questions, you get pretty good open source answers. The rest is just common sense.
 
Multiple times. You are obviously new here.



Nope. That's just your opinion of me. Plus this is the military, even expert opinion is fallible.

Even experts have been writing a whole lot of crap these days. Like that recent article about Rafale from Gen Katoch.

The point of getting others' viewpoints is to gain access to all potential possibilities, even stuff others have not thought of yet, and sometimes one or two of those end up being true. I merely happen to be the one posting my views across much larger timescales, and I merely happen to get many of those right. I also provide more alternate viewpoints compared to others and this gives off the impression that I know more. You assuming what I post is always supposed to be right makes it a "you" problem, not a "me" problem.

What I do is come up with various possibilities and choose the most probable one and put that up. For the rest I just use common sense.

As for AMCA's engine, our media journos are dumba*ses. If you go to the right people at the right place and ask the right questions, you get pretty good open source answers. The rest is just common sense.
So basically you are claiming you are not a consistent relaible source that can be relied upon as a source material, hence when you make a claim and then say the source is me its best not to take it to face value & treat it as a speculation it is, an educated guess in your words.
 
So basically you are claiming you are not a consistent relaible source that can be relied upon as a source material, hence when you make a claim and then say the source is me its best not to take it to face value & treat it as a speculation it is, an educated guess in your words.

Essentially, yes. Most of my posts are based on facts. Sometimes I rely on speculations as I fill gaps between facts. And many times, my speculations turn out to be true. Time generally answers that.

For example, Safran's AMCA engine with 120 kN non-adaptive and 140 kN uprate are established facts. But VCE offered by both France and UK are also facts, they are just less well-known facts. We get such information down the grapevine as the configuration's already finalized. GTRE has to design the VCE, since it's part of the cold parts, their share of the work. France and UK will design the engine as VCE-ready from the outset.

What is speculation is the timeframe. VCE can come anytime in the future, but with Rajnath Singh's words, we can speculate that it's in 5-7 years, instead of 10 or 15 years. At this point, we need CMC, advanced thermal management, and AI integration to be considered truly 6th gen.

We know for a fact that we have only 1 advanced engine program, so the 6th gen roadmap is via the JV. And Singh told us the timeframe too. And we know for a fact we are developing foundational technologies for 6th and 7th gen engines.

We also know for a fact that a non-adaptive engine can be redesigned to VCE. The Americans have already done this, the Russians plan to do this too. So it's obvious we will do it too, since the JV is our only next gen engine, and the one after that is not necessary until the 2050s, even globally.

What's happening here is the already established fact of a two-phase engine program for 120 and 140 kN itself is being treated as speculation due to lack of knowledge of members. Essentially, completely clueless people attacking someone for making an educated guess connected to a gap within facts that the clueless people are ignorant about to the point that they are willing to throw everything out the window to stay true to their ignorance.

Your choices are to read, absorb, perhaps provide a proper well-thoughout rebuttal or be petty and jealous like Ignorants and resort to hubris and name-calling. I don't know if your intentions are the former or the latter. At least by bringing up CTi, even if going off on a tangent, it shows you tried.
 
This is going to be the fighter which should form our next backbone. Induct it in huge numbers(say close to 500), in improved batches, and watch how our squadron depletion problem is permanently solved. Imported fighters can't solve our depleting squdron problem and expecting them to do so is completely asinine and also would prove very expensive.
Not trying to argue but I'm not sure how realistic those numbers are considering the likelihood of US trying to cause supply chain issues. Hope MoD does something to mitigate these risks.
 
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Not trying to argue but I'm not sure how realistic those numbers are considering the likelihood of US trying to cause supply chain issues. Hope MoD does something to mitigate these risks.
They have already done something to mitigate the engine disruptions i.e. the engine being developed for AMCA. Since both aircraft are using the same engine right now, the engine that would be developed with France, would also go with MK2 eventually.
 
They have already done something to mitigate the engine disruptions i.e. the engine being developed for AMCA. Since both aircraft are using the same engine right now, the engine that would be developed with France, would also go with MK2 eventually.
That's pretty interesting, I've never thought about the possibility of the Indo-French Engine also going into the tejas mk2 but it makes sense since both AMCA and Tejas MK2 is designed on GE414 engine, however no matter what they claim, there is a possibility of the airframe and other components needing to be redesigned for the AMCA mk2 and makes even the tejas evolve into a mk3.
 
Not trying to argue but I'm not sure how realistic those numbers are considering the likelihood of US trying to cause supply chain issues. Hope MoD does something to mitigate these risks.
We plan to eventually replace GE F414 engines with 120KN engine being developed for AMCA. That's why I said, we should induct MK2 in subsequent and upgraded batches.
 
That's pretty interesting, I've never thought about the possibility of the Indo-French Engine also going into the tejas mk2 but it makes sense since both AMCA and Tejas MK2 is designed on GE414 engine, however no matter what they claim, there is a possibility of the airframe and other components needing to be redesigned for the AMCA mk2 and makes even the tejas evolve into a mk3.
The new engine can be designed to match F414 form and fitting, similar to how EPE variant of F414 is. Can the existing intakes handle the increased airflow requirements? Now that's something to be considered
 
We plan to eventually replace GE F414 engines with 120KN engine being developed for AMCA. That's why I said, we should induct MK2 in subsequent and upgraded batches.

Success of every plan depends on execution at right time..

By the time 120 Kn engine is ready ( T + 14 years ), world would have moved to next generation.

Even the Mk2 production would have stopped.

Many fighter jets are getting designed around F414, Mk2 , Amca,TEDBF , HLFT 42 ( proposed )

We are buying F414 with 80 % ToT to mitigate sanction risk..

I doubt we ll change engine mid way.

Anyways whatever production facilities are available, we ll be building one or other fighter jets to that capacity.
 
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