I think we've had plenty of such revelations from those who matter over the past 2 decades. I'd rather this were posted in you know where, for that's where ISPR handouts are treated as the Gospel truth.
Kargil Conflict : Discussions
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I think we've had plenty of such revelations from those who matter over the past 2 decades. I'd rather this were posted in you know where, for that's where ISPR handouts are treated as the Gospel truth.
Air Force Strategy During Kargil Conflict and Contemporary ChallengesbyAir Marshal R. Nambiar, PVSM, AVSM, VSM and Bar, ADC, AOC-in-C, Western Air Command
Seminar on India’s National Security: Kargil to Present Times
Gen V.P. Malik, PVSM, AVSM (Retd), Former Chief of Army Staff
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There are couple of people you should have this same discussion with on p d f. One being niaz (a veteran from 71) and the other being joe (an Indian on that forum). Feel free to take their inputs also.
Tell me,
1. What is the point of attack, when you know you cannot achieve your objectives?
2. What is the point of attack, when as you yourself claim you cannot achieve it on your own and are dependent on someone else to intervene?
3. Your own ex PM Nawaz Sharif has claimed over 4000 killed in Kargil. Now, considering the fact that, your PA still refuses to report actual casualty numbers says a lot who needs to be believed.
4. Tradition, bollocks. That is what has got you into this mess. In war, there is only strategy and tactics. Tradition is what got you into the 'ghazi' and 'ummah' mindset of the medieval era.
Good guys, bad guys. An army which leaves its wounded and refuses to acknowledge its dead, for the sake of its 'invincible' aura stopped being professional at that moment.
It saddens me that younger Pakistanis are unable to see where they are being lead, by this force of liars.
Point of attack is simple. We want this land and mental stress on enemy. Mental superiority matters. Yes we don't care about winning. We left bodies because there were many mujahadeen also. It was pointless for us to collect bodies because you already fired us when we were withdrawing. I think there was an agreement in place but you hit us anyway. This is so sad that indian army wanted iaf to take action during the whole war. It was impossible for you to win it without airforce. Sad state of affairs.
Great post. I agree. I think people in your country are now more aggressive. Obviously above mentioned reasons in your post are true.
My condolences to your Dead soldiers buddy..
Why obsessed about Kashmir until cruel death..
Wake up for bright future..
According to an American expert on Pakistan , this obsession will last till
2047
So it is upto India if we can convince them militarily before 2047
That this obsession is bad for them
Will only bring loss and destruction
That reply was to come out of heavy dose of sentiment created by divine heritic message.
during the 1971 India's GDP growth rate was 1.65%
current growth projections for year 2020 are in the same region.
Not saying anything will happen because of this. Just wanted to show you that when the moment to strike arrives, even India did not worry about the economy.
we get used to it
Hilarious. I can't believe it. Anyway we are slowly heading towards war. War means destruction which is bad for humanity. I hope both countries will find a common solution.
The Rationalists in Pakistan will convince the Mad ones to give up this Obsession
Societies change , a 100 years of war will bring some introspection
Pls check yourself. You're displaying some Covid 19 symptoms.
I get your point
As an Indian , when you look at Pakistan , we have to be 95 percent
Realistic and 5 percent Optimistic
As long as the 1400 year old command to kill All Kafirs is Not overturned
Non Muslims can never let their Guard
Down
Add to it the internal demographic changes in India which further boosts their Desire for Ghazwa e Hind
I bet either most of them have left the country or on the brink of extinction. Problem with rationalists in pakistan is that they might very well question the rationale for creation of pakistan. After that.....
There is no compulsion in Islam to kill kaffirs. Its voluntary. Quran just asks you to eliminate kaffirs any means possible.
Don’t be an Islamophooobic
we don't want ghawza e hind right now. We are worried about indian people. Few years ago,there was not much hate against pakistanis but now in this government,there is a trend of tweets and things like begging bowl, partition of Pakistan and our Kashmir etc. Problem is it's unexpected from indian people who call themselves liberals and democratic people.
Our problem is quiet clear. We are worried about indian mindset. We are worried about situation of loc and water problem. Water originates from indian kashmir. Oceans are drying up. Water level is going on. We are an agricultural country. We need proper water supply from India even in future and for this,we are forced to start a war. We don't want ghazwa e hind. Unjustified killings is not allowed. Jehad is allowed only if someone kills your Muslim brothers without any reason. Obviously worldwide terrorism has changed the definition of jehad but we can't relate terrorism with jehad. Both are totally different concepts. Isis has done lots of damage. Perception has changed but for Islamic countries,rules will remain same. Our ancestors have won many wars. Cause of war in the past are mostly unjustified killings of Muslims. Muslims are everywhere.they are a big community. They must protect their identity and get rid of groups like isis. We must learn our religion properly.
In Kashmir,we see many casualties on daily basis. Obviously Muslims are also dying which is unacceptable according to Muslims. Today Muslims are weak but we don't want to wake up because it will bring destruction. We want truce. If India guarantee us no killing,we will guarantee no hostility. We don't want India. We don't have any expansion plan but India should worry about China because they have plans.
Our problem is quiet clear. We are worried about indian mindset. We are worried about situation of loc and water problem. Water originates from indian kashmir. Oceans are drying up. Water level is going on. We are an agricultural country. We need proper water supply from India even in future and for this,we are forced to start a war. We don't want ghazwa e hind. Unjustified killings is not allowed. Jehad is allowed only if someone kills your Muslim brothers without any reason. Obviously worldwide terrorism has changed the definition of jehad but we can't relate terrorism with jehad. Both are totally different concepts. Isis has done lots of damage. Perception has changed but for Islamic countries,rules will remain same. Our ancestors have won many wars. Cause of war in the past are mostly unjustified killings of Muslims. Muslims are everywhere.they are a big community. They must protect their identity and get rid of groups like isis. We must learn our religion properly.
In Kashmir,we see many casualties on daily basis. Obviously Muslims are also dying which is unacceptable according to Muslims. Today Muslims are weak but we don't want to wake up because it will bring destruction. We want truce. If India guarantee us no killing,we will guarantee no hostility. We don't want India. We don't have any expansion plan but India should worry about China because they have plans.
Even we are not hell bent to make Halwa e Pak any soon.
Erstwhile E.Pakistan aka BD be ROFL.
If they really did, there wouldn't be Radcliffe line in reality.
Watching too much Ertrugrul during lockdown?