Japan offers Mogami Class Frigate to Indian Navy.

[Gautam]

This will not be a replacement of Nilgiri line but Talwar line.

My thoughts exactly.

Lol, lmao

So after decades of designing and trying to master every building block of warships, in one of the areas where India is getting self-reliant, Navy led WDB and vets led shipyards are back to ToT and license manufacturing

This comes after Navy issuing Make 1 tender for both gas turbine and diseal engines, after making big *censored* radars like LRMFR, cruise missiles, torpedos, sonars, alloys...

I just hope this is push from Japanese side and not ours

This proposal is a parallel to the P-17B, not a replacement. So, none of the progress being made will be lost. The P-17A is a large frigate. P-17B will be bigger, better armed and naturally more expensive. It will almost be a destroyer.

We will need a replacement for the Brahmaputra class & eventually the Talwar class frigates. 13 ships in total. If these proposal goes through, these ships will be the replacement for the Brahmaputra & Talwar.

 

[jmaxwell_]

The Navy is quite capable of designing a Talwar follow-on itself without having to absorb an entirely new country's philosophy of ship design, construction, operation, maintenance, training, logistics, and combat systems.

And if that really is the aim, what happened to the much-vaunted art of diplomacy and statecraft? Has it been reduced to little more than writing cheques to foreign suppliers?

 

[Aniruddha]

The Navy is quite capable of designing a Talwar follow-on itself without having to absorb an entirely new country's philosophy of ship design, construction, operation, maintenance, training, logistics, and combat systems.

And if that really is the aim, what happened to the much-vaunted art of diplomacy and statecraft? Has it been reduced to little more than writing cheques to foreign suppliers?

The Next Generation Corvette of which we will be building 8 ships already displaces close to 3500 tons, that's barely 500 tons when compared with the Talwar class FFG.
My guess WDB could look to supersize this design to stretch out to 4500-5000 tons as an eventual replacement for the Brahmaputra and Talwar class FFG.
The issue with procuring additional Talwar/Tushil class FFG is that we do not own the design, not to mention it's rather dated avionics suite and reliance on Ukrainian GTs.

 

[Speedster1]

The Next Generation Corvette of which we will be building 8 ships already displaces close to 3500 tons, that's barely 500 tons when compared with the Talwar class FFG.
My guess WDB could look to supersize this design to stretch out to 4500-5000 tons as an eventual replacement for the Brahmaputra and Talwar class FFG.
The issue with procuring additional Talwar/Tushil class FFG is that we do not own the design, not to mention it's rather dated avionics suite and reliance on Ukrainian GTs.

Besides localizing an off the shelf design has its risks. The USN Constellation class FFG prog failed miserably despite being based on the well-proven Italian FREMM. The scope of upgrades was just too big.

The Americans have now chosen a much more modest but local Coast Guard platform (Natl Security Cutter) to fill the requirement.

 

[GuardianRED]

Yes correct we are designing our own ship BUT we need to incorporate new designs which is slow or not happening ! heck how long did it take to incorporate an enclosed Deck ?
Wish list
1) Higher degree of stealth plus less clutter top mast/Single mast
2) CIC with universal stations and 360 view screens
3) Electrical propulsion system
4) Higher level of Automation less crew

 

[Speedster1]

heck how long did it take to incorporate an enclosed Deck ?

I suspect that had a lot to do with functionality, eg during replenishment at sea ops. Refuelling receptacles/valves on WDB warship designs are typically located at the bow/foredeck vs Russian origin ships that have them admiships (Talwar)






Another example, the P-17s enclosed RHIB bay was deleted on the follow-on P-17A. This was to make launch and recovery easier for VBSS and other missions. The P-17s have also gained traditional lattice type comms masts over time.