Israel, US Strike Iran After Weeks Of Warning, Explosions Heard In Tehran
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Such PDA between the two services brings tears of joy to one's eyes especially if we were to consider participation in the JV with le Francais for the FCAS project wherein all probability , taking a leaf out of the Rafale project , Dassault Aviation would first take on development of the Naval version of the 6th Gen FA .
If so in our case the IN will be expected to lead the project from our end. As you can see the IAF would be more than happy to cede space to the IN to lead the project.
Alhamdulillah !
FPV drones from pro-Iranian groups have been spotted for the first time over the American military base "Victory" in Baghdad. The FPV drones, of an unknown model, are controlled via fiber optic cable and are possibly used by the "Islamic Resistance in Iraq" group. Judging by the video, the American military base is empty and the drone operator is attempting to find a target. In this case, the very use of FPV drones indicates a significant future threat to US bases in Iraq and the region. Currently, air defenses cannot effectively engage FPV drones.
Destruction of oil facilities will lead to mutual destruction. If Kharg goes, so will UAE and Saudi facilities. Regime change for every one.
The last thing the world wants is the Iranians pulling multiple Saddams across the GCC.
This regime isn't going anywhere. The Americans miscalculated, the Israelis know and don't care, but the world has to suffer for it.
I always used to think that best counter to China is India having MASSIVE presence of anti ship ballisitic missiles on our islands. They re unsinkable. Now we have perfect tool for the job as well. India's LRAShM.
Its highly manuverable, pin point and almost impossible to intercept.
If we boost its range to 2,500-3000KM and produce and deploy some 10,000 of them in Andoman and Nicorbar island, China is done for. Becuse of pure geography.
It will make malacca strait and by extension bay of bengal completely sealed off for anyone. Deep tunnels and deeply entrenched massive forces, with years of provision means both supply and trade of China as well as massive Chinese surface fleet is completely useless. Together with its naval aviation force.
Plus its submarine forces are of no use as well because they can not do shit against a force hidden inside island chain.
Complement it with some 3000 KM suicide drones powered with motorcycle engine and you have completely and utterly undone all the massive chinese investment in ship building.
We will however need OTRs and satellites. But those need not be owned by us, we can use other's too.
A final component in this game is resistance to de-capitation. Iran's current command structure is the ULTIMATE "Jo uchit ho wo kijiye". That is delegation of command to local commanders or military personnels in case China tries to do similar exercise on India.
This is India's Fist of Pearls against China's "String of Pearls".
Second implication if also fun!
We can use Himalayas too! For countering Chinese threat.
Just like Gulf countries and Israel, China is also vulnerable to conventional missile barrage. All those LED light cities? What will happen if they are hit by a constant barrage of conventional ballistic missiles? And a massive wave after wave of drones? CCP will have a MASSIVE problem at its hand then. It will loose any facade of control and stability in its own country. Just like UAE and Gulf.
We need roughly 4,500 - 5500 KM range conventional single warhead missiles to cover every important city in China. And in VERY VERY LARGE numbers. Plus drones. Again, in very large numbers.
This is asymmetric warfare at its finest.
Both of these weapons are medium in cost and do not require ANY technical breakthrough. Optically guided drone and passively guided BMs with INS and bit of radar guidance in terminal phase = none of China's air space defence can counter.
Second is anti satellite weapons. These should be fired in first opening salvo.
Blind them first and then bomb them to the end of the world with BMs and Drones.
Its highly manuverable, pin point and almost impossible to intercept.
If we boost its range to 2,500-3000KM and produce and deploy some 10,000 of them in Andoman and Nicorbar island, China is done for. Becuse of pure geography.
It will make malacca strait and by extension bay of bengal completely sealed off for anyone. Deep tunnels and deeply entrenched massive forces, with years of provision means both supply and trade of China as well as massive Chinese surface fleet is completely useless. Together with its naval aviation force.
Plus its submarine forces are of no use as well because they can not do shit against a force hidden inside island chain.
Complement it with some 3000 KM suicide drones powered with motorcycle engine and you have completely and utterly undone all the massive chinese investment in ship building.
We will however need OTRs and satellites. But those need not be owned by us, we can use other's too.
A final component in this game is resistance to de-capitation. Iran's current command structure is the ULTIMATE "Jo uchit ho wo kijiye". That is delegation of command to local commanders or military personnels in case China tries to do similar exercise on India.
This is India's Fist of Pearls against China's "String of Pearls".
Second implication if also fun!
We can use Himalayas too! For countering Chinese threat.
Just like Gulf countries and Israel, China is also vulnerable to conventional missile barrage. All those LED light cities? What will happen if they are hit by a constant barrage of conventional ballistic missiles? And a massive wave after wave of drones? CCP will have a MASSIVE problem at its hand then. It will loose any facade of control and stability in its own country. Just like UAE and Gulf.
We need roughly 4,500 - 5500 KM range conventional single warhead missiles to cover every important city in China. And in VERY VERY LARGE numbers. Plus drones. Again, in very large numbers.
This is asymmetric warfare at its finest.
Both of these weapons are medium in cost and do not require ANY technical breakthrough. Optically guided drone and passively guided BMs with INS and bit of radar guidance in terminal phase = none of China's air space defence can counter.
Second is anti satellite weapons. These should be fired in first opening salvo.
Blind them first and then bomb them to the end of the world with BMs and Drones.
Damn ! Jeff Epstein has done more to boost anti semitism in the US undoing all the "good work " done by ADL & other Jewish organisations there since decades.
The ones most pleased are the LeLi DEI LGBTQWERTY mob ,the white supremacists , the Bible Belt , the nikkas , the peacefuls in the US irrespective of their country of origin , anybody else I've left out.
In short the entire country including some self loathing shlomos.
It works both ways. And it's easier for them to target our fixed island positions compared to their presenting moving targets.
Land-locked weapons systems are why Iran is struggling.
Small drones are useless against sufficiently advanced air defenses, especially ships.
Problem is. Fixed island positions can be entrenched much more deeply. Moving target will have only this much defence and will be WAY more vulnerable.
Then there's nothing cheap about this. Managing all that infra will require significant urbanization of the islands, that's unrealistic too.
And IRBMs for conventional use is impossibly expensive, so only nukes and specialist roles like bunker busting.
To destroy fixed facilities, the Chinese too have to use only a handful of IRBMs with bunker busters to get to the majority of the stockpile.
Most fixed facilities won't survive wars between great powers, that's why whatever is fixed is either deep underground or even underwater (HQs) and the rest is dispersed (air bases) or mobile (army, fighters, ships etc).
India's planning an underwater naval base.
Huh? Bruv! A hypersonic missile cost maximum 10-15 million dollars. A god damn destroyer costs 1-1.5 billion dollar. Thats 100x difference.
WHAT?
Indian ICBM, Agni V costs ONLY 6 million dollars. LOL! Its pennies to dollars. We are talking about Agni IV level missiles.
For 10 billion dollars, India can have 3-4 thousand such missiles. Plus mass production will lower cost a LOT.
We spend more than that in Lado Choot / Ladli Choot-wali-na schemes.
We are buying 112 Rafales for 36 billion, we can sure as hell make 4000-5000 IRBMs. Cost is not a problem at ALL here.
Plus not all cities of China are that far. MRBMs can target Shenzen. Thats like 10-15% of Chinese economy and critical economy gone with just 2-3 billion worth of missiles.
And not to mention, we can supplement this with suicide drone having 3-5000 KM range costing barely 40K USD. LOL!
Iran has shown, China is a moron.
Dude, this is not about destroying a nation's military power. This is about destroying a nation's strategic economy.
They can keep all their military intact but their god damn economy will be gone in shitter. Their population decimated.
This is why they will avoid fighting ANY kind of war with India because they know what will come and they will know that nothing can be done to counter that.
This is an asymetric plan that makes military power worthless. See what is happening in Iran war. If Iran had a SINGLE missile that could reach mainland US, Trump would not have DARED to attack Iran.
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Yeah, but you're talking about "very, very larger numbers" of city-busting missiles. And they are all one-time use.
Both beancounters and strategists have made calculations and figured out that the destroyer is the better option over missiles even when using the same budgeted amount.
An IRBM is supposed to cause damage in many billions, so the use is specialist. As mentioned, nukes, bunker buster, special HVAs, like a carrier.
Just so you know, it's extremely difficult to sink large warships. An IRBM may not necessarily sink one of them, especially since it's likely to miss more than hit. And successful hits are more likely to cause surface level damage rather than true structural damage. At the very least, it can help achieve mission kill, but that's about it. 1 missile will probably take out 1 compartment out of half a dozen to a dozen. And to sink such ships, you need to take out 60-70% of such compartments.
Tactical missiles can be built in the thousands. The USAF is planning to build over 10000 JASSM/LRASMs for example. The USN has 4000 Tomahawks. The US Army plans to induct 4000 PrSMs. And Taiwan's building 1000 missiles a year of various types. So tactical missiles are available in the tens of thousands already, and this only complements the main capability.
In any case, no matter how many missiles you have, without any survivable non-kinetic means of support like EW, your missiles are not going to hit anything worthwhile.
That's merely the cost of the missile. The actual cost is the supporting infrastructure.
Each missile is 17.5 m long. It's as big as an apartment building. Where will be keep them?
Silos? Sure, but who's gonna pay for that? That's why the superpowers only build a few hundred and put nukes in them. The Americans are planning on spending a hundred billion on 400 odd silos.
Trucks and rail cars? Again, where are we gonna place that many? All these are easy targets. At least silos need 2 hits with nukes to take out.
Have you calculated the cost of tunneling?
We have nukes for that.
They will use nukes on us.
I think you need to look up the purpose of nuclear deterrence.
What Iran's doing is well below the nuclear threshold, they can get away with it 'cause the US and Israel are doing way worse to them.
If things do not change for a few more weeks:
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As a few had speculated, other nations are being asked to open and patrol areas in and around the Gulf. The markets continue to be in a state of flux as the conflict continues.
Hey, I get what you're saying about forming an independent view and not wanting to be spoon-fed, that's fair. But comparing it to letting a kid stick their hand in fire or poke an animal's butt is a wild stretch. This isn't life-or-death survival; it's checking someone's YouTube lectures. Asking for one or two concrete examples (timestamps, specific claims, whatever made you call him a 'Han con man' with CCP/MSS ties) isn't lazy or low-IQ, it's just efficient and one of the measures of science and intelligence is making things more efficient.
You've assumed you've been around longer and say you reached that conclusion, so it shouldn't be hard to point me to the exact part that flipped the switch for you. If it's really obvious across his whole oeuvre, surely there's a smoking-gun moment you can share without making me watch 50+ hours first. I'm genuinely down to look at it and discuss, hit me with that one thing and we'll go threadbare like you said. No games, just facts.
Also please don't ignorantly assume your statements are make people jump to any conclusions cause you aren't. if you are successfully able to back up any of your claims, we would look at it, assess it and conclude if it has any merit to it.
