That's what I'm pointing out that as ISM2 gets funded, they either need to have separate provisions or bake it in, so the baboozies don't later cut the funding for 65nm+ rad hardened apps.
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That's what I'm pointing out that as ISM2 gets funded, they either need to have separate provisions or bake it in, so the baboozies don't later cut the funding for 65nm+ rad hardened apps.
intel is not going to give 18a now lol, im talking about the 2030s ish when the 18a would be around 2 gens(maybe even 3) behind post sub 1nm silicon. Maybe then but it would be a stretch. The thing is that Intel wants to grow its fab buisness, Partnering with tata for a fab especially if the capital expenses are paid by Tata and the IND gov is not something intel would turn down then.You want Intel to give 18a to India? Ask Lawrence Livermore Labratory for transfer of W87 warhead while you're at it. Or Pratt and Whitney to transfer F135 technology to India.
The latter is more likely than Intel giving 18a and both are less than atomic diameter number distance from 0.
Didn't expect such a silly comment from you tbh.
First read about how advanced 2nm level production is and what intel had to go through go achieve that, and the supporting infrastructure, cost and ecosystem it takes to reach that level before daydreaming sir.
We first need to upgrade that PSMC fab to 14nm and then try to partner with someone for 7nm. Below 7nm depends on how much money India is willing to put into the fab. below 2nm is not going to come for a long time
This has been known for a long time, they've been waiting for ISM 2.0 to drop.
Another one is vedanta-innolux for the same TFT-LCD. No AMOLED fabs though.
Vedanta actually owns 98.7% of avanstrate which manufactures the glass substrates for TFT-LCD fabs.
The only AMOLED facility that I know of in India is the ARC AMOLED lab at IIT madras. Tata sons is the primary sponsor for this lab so the tech they gain from this lab can and will be used by Tata if its found to be viable.
Another one is vedanta-innolux for the same TFT-LCD. No AMOLED fabs though.
Vedanta actually owns 98.7% of avanstrate which manufactures the glass substrates for TFT-LCD fabs.
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The only AMOLED facility that I know of in India is the ARC AMOLED lab at IIT madras. Tata sons is the primary sponsor for this lab so the tech they gain from this lab can and will be used by Tata if its found to be viable.
India doesnt have anywhere close to the level of ecosystem for EUV level chips and will not have it for the next 10+ years.
18a requires EUV bud. 14 nm we will reach sustained high yield imo only past 2035.
18a is something that even if it happens will happen far in the future, Im talking aout 14nm right now which is the current priority, then 7nm which would need EUV.
I disagree with your 14nm HVM prediction but am too tired to argue to lets agree to disagree.
First let India master 28 nm and above planar technology and then we can dream about FinFet. FinFet is a non trivial technical leap. China reached FinFet like 2021 lol. Thats 5 years after they first reached 28 nm. India will take all the way until 2030 to reach stable 28 nm production.
Even if Intel gives 18a what is India/Tata going to do with it ? More over this is not just buying some equipment , it is process , expertise, knowledge and ecosystem all of which should be in place and that will take years to happen. Forget about silicon , even america has to import chemicals from outside the country as they are not able to manufacture them with required purity, we are not talking about 1 in 1000 but 1 in million. In a country where we adulterate milk with detergent and walk away as if nothing has happened we are a long way off.
India disappoints both optimists and pessimists, we never know what we could achieve.
Yea its prolly wise to wait. ISM 1.0 was pretty promising, lets see how 2.0 turns out combined with the new electroncis scheme.
Most of your comment is correct except adding detergent to milk doesn't indicate anything wtr to a country's capabilities jn the semiconductor ecosystem. Those are 2 different things. By that logic China shouldn't have reached 7 nm cuz they adulterated a lot of other things.
There is a difference corrupt ppl are punished in china, any crime that impacts their national security is taken seriously. In china corrupt ppl are executed and they ruthlessly pursue their national objectives.
chinese have lot more discipline than us, thats why they are so far ahead than us.
On the contrary, adulterating silicon with boron/phosphorus is the whole semicon play! So one might say India already has the natural talent and skill for it!
I am only kidding...
Oversimplification. China made foundational strides towards semiconductor technology much before Xi, during Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemins regime where such corruption purges were even less common. And even then, what makes you think Xi and his cronies themselves are not corrupt?
And what exactly does that have to do with the fabrication of semiconductors in a well funded project? You don't think China didn't adulter food during the 1990s and 2000s when they were making strides in this field lol.
Frustrated Indians are ranting about third world issues in irrelevant areas of discussion. Unfortunate.
It is not oversimplification , it is called facts whether you like it or not. I dint say corruption does not exist I said they take action contrary to what happens in India, where corrupt ppl get promoted.
we cannot make things in isolation in a corrupt system , if you think there wont be adulteration or fudging of quality in semiconductor project you are mistaken. We saw the same thing in LCA project , where one of the vendors had fudged quality reports for years .
Ok. How do you think there will be "fudging" in semiconductor project? And why didnt such "fudging" happen to say ISRO or Skyroot or DRDO RCI?
Im not too sure you understand what it takes to run a semiconductor fab. You can't "fudge" sh*t otherwise nobody will buy your chips and your $10 billion investment for the fab goes down the drain. A chip either works or doesn't work. Theres no in between for a company to use "fudging" to their advantage.
IMHO China was lucky to have two successive leaders (Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao) that prized technocratic competence and meritocracy within the CCP during China's peak growth years.
Don't get me wrong, a system like the CCP can't run without loyalty. But it wasn't like the Xi Jingpin's current leadership where loyalty takes precedence above all else. He has gradually fittered away the advantage he inherited from Jiang/Hu and the institutional momentum laid by their governance model. That's also partly why I am hopeful that whatever is presently boiling beneath the surface in the CCP, Xi remains in power for a long time - great for India and America!
Unfortunately, something similar is happening in Amercia -- Trump's administration places loyalty to Trump above all else, purging all the competent people from the government. And the current national embarrassment and dysfunction is plain for all to see. But unlike China, India and America aren't reliant on just luck for having enlightened leaders -- we can vote for the governments we want and we can vote bad governments out -- just like America is about to do in the upcoming midterms.
Don't get me wrong, a system like the CCP can't run without loyalty. But it wasn't like the Xi Jingpin's current leadership where loyalty takes precedence above all else. He has gradually fittered away the advantage he inherited from Jiang/Hu and the institutional momentum laid by their governance model. That's also partly why I am hopeful that whatever is presently boiling beneath the surface in the CCP, Xi remains in power for a long time - great for India and America!
Unfortunately, something similar is happening in Amercia -- Trump's administration places loyalty to Trump above all else, purging all the competent people from the government. And the current national embarrassment and dysfunction is plain for all to see. But unlike China, India and America aren't reliant on just luck for having enlightened leaders -- we can vote for the governments we want and we can vote bad governments out -- just like America is about to do in the upcoming midterms.