Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Doubtful, because both use way different propulsion setups.
Gandiva's end game kinematics are going to be superior to R-37M owing to its throttalable ramjet propulsion setup.

R37M is a much heavier missile with no ramjet. Gandiva IS going to be superior.

My understanding is that R37M is for non higly maneuverable targets since it has more drag even in the end game. Gandiva faces no such issues.
 
Eh, the R-37Ms are still, as the others have said, capable of shooting down fighter sized targets at nearly the same range with one report of a Ukrainian Su-27 having been hit stating that it was fired at a distance of ~220km. The 37M, while optimised for HVTs, can hit a target maneuvering at 8G well past 250km according to its official data. Still, Gandiva is undoubtedly the super missile kinematically, due to the SDR giving it a massive NEZ (its effective range will not be 250km, it will likely be ~300 or more due to this fact) and insane energy + velocity at impact, but the R-37M does cut into its role partially. This is where my initial concern comes into play. Both missiles will be used to attack HVTs, and that's where my concern of the IAF possibly putting the order of the Gandiva on the back burner comes from should the 37M enter service, since the R-37M will force the opponent's aerial assets to fly even further out, thus making induction of the Gandiva slightly lower on the priority list (assuming the worst shines of the classic lethargic acquisition approach).



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R 37M is more than capable of intercepting all type of maneuvering fighter jet currently in service anywhere in the world not just slow moving targets like AWACS & refuellers. No need to look far, Ukrainian fighter jet are getting knocked out of the sky by R 37 on monthly basis.
I think what I was going to write has been covered by babablacksheep in his post. Thank you.
 
In most cases it comes down to whether the target has warning or not and that's all about the seeker. AESA seekers are a recent thing and they'll be devastatingly effective even at long ranges (far beyond what you would expect for a BVR to make a kill shot against a fighter).

*Cough cough*

RWRs need to be updated. DRDO claims "excellent sensitivity" for DR118, not sure if it extends to LPI radars
 
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In most cases it comes down to whether the target has warning or not and that's all about the seeker. AESA seekers are a recent thing and they'll be devastatingly effective even at long ranges (far beyond what you would expect for a BVR to make a kill shot against a fighter).

*Cough cough*

RWRs need to be updated. DRDO claims "excellent sensitivity" for DR118, not sure if it extends to LPI radars
Not *most* all 3 top airforces have majority of their fighter jets with RWR, many with maws
 
Everyone has RWR. Not all RWR can intercept LPI radars though.

MAWS don't work against BVRAAMs (unless you have really good thermal sensors but they have a huge weight penalty)
RWR's from late 1990s to early 2000s were already designed to incorporate LPI radars.
And their effectiveness is a spectrum against various radars & frequencies, based on their own capabilities.

MAWS are less effective against BVRAAMs COMPARED to WVR missile or heat-seeking missiles.

MAWS is not ineffective against BVRAAMs, again, their effectiveness is a spectrum against various threats.
 
In most cases it comes down to whether the target has warning or not and that's all about the seeker. AESA seekers are a recent thing and they'll be devastatingly effective even at long ranges (far beyond what you would expect for a BVR to make a kill shot against a fighter).

*Cough cough*

RWRs need to be updated. DRDO claims "excellent sensitivity" for DR118, not sure if it extends to LPI radars
DR118 is a digital RWR which is specifically designed to detect and pinpoint LPI AESA radar signals. In future RWR-NG, will have GaN based antennas and will be able to intercept all signals within 1GHz to 40GHz band.

DR118 allows MKI to play the cat and mouse game where it can pinpoint all hostile emitters both ground-based and airborne and then can decide to engage or disengage at will. RWR-NG will take it one step further.
 

SAAW tweeted by defence production India..

Are we moving to mass manufacturing of Saaw ?

Someone i think @marich01 told me why the delay in Saaw ..
Many components of Saaw were imported ..
When indigenous equivalent components were made.. testing will be repeated..

That and this tweet means we are ready to mass produce SAAW ?
 
Are we moving to mass manufacturing of Saaw ?
That and this tweet means we are ready to mass produce SAAW ?
Probably serial production is about to start. We need a modern runway denial munition. The work on a powered variant has also started.

Someone i think @marich01 told me why the delay in Saaw ..
Many components of Saaw were imported ..
When indigenous equivalent components were made.. testing will be repeated..
Yes, supply chain issues forced an early indigenization. Otherwise, these items would have been replaced gradually in a few years.

Both the launcher weight and payload indicates ~3tons missile at the minimum, can't say if it will be like an air launched pralay or a subsonic missile.
2-3 tons, I think. Should be 1000+km in range depending on launch speed & altitude. High hypersonic terminal phase, 400-500 kg warhead. Our Kinzhal equivalent.