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Arpuism

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Yeah I do not contest that, we know our forces are a bit reactionary in nature, and very much risk averse. So it was a bit surprising for me, given our initial intention was to develop 5th gen stealth platform with Rus jointly, a country that has good capability of developing tacde, training related to other gen of jets, they are well experienced. If we had persisted, that would have been a work-share. So from there we are now willing to go in it alone, from a single engine LCA to twin engine stealth jet directly, not just a single gen gap. I would say its significant longer jump into new territory. The tradeoff could be huge.
All great powers do evolutionary things. Its time we also do the same. To become great power we need to think and act independently. I feel its right thing to do and should have been done since the independence itself in some parts.
You may take inspiration but do it by yourself.
 
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You're forgetting that the AMCA has a 2 stage development. The definitive version will come post 2035 likely more like 2040 by the time it achieved it's FOC.

Our hope realistically ought to be that the Mk-2 being certified FOC in 2035-40 T/L equals the F-35 ( for want of a better benchmark) of today minus the myriad problems it faces & the AMCA - Mk3 ( for want of a better term) being certified FOC in 2045-50 T/L equals the upgraded F-35 in 2030-32 T/L or should be in the same bandwidth.

That way we can ensure the capability gap between us & the West is not more than a generation or hopefully less than that .
That multi-stage process is main reason of concern for me. Amca will be pricey, both by unit price & development work. This is for the jet only, we do not even have a base engine suitable for it either. Given money is a major factor for us, this leap is extremely risky for any investor/company.
I am not even thinking about timeline or anything, just the sheer work needed beforehand could be very detrimental & a lot of pitfalls involved.
 

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That multi-stage process is main reason of concern for me. Amca will be pricey, both by unit price & development work. This is for the jet only, we do not even have a base engine suitable for it either. Given money is a major factor for us, this leap is extremely risky for any investor/company.
I am not even thinking about timeline or anything, just the sheer work needed beforehand could be very detrimental & a lot of pitfalls involved.
Except the engine , the rest can be managed. While we may not achieve the sophistication of the levels of F-35 , we should be in the same bandwidth. We have the cushion of time to mature the technologies needed except exotic ones like DEW.

The only sticking point is the engine. While we can get the technology for the M-88 or it's derivative or even the EJ200 or it's derivative, we're setting our sights higher & further namely the ACE that all 5th Gen & onwards FAs will be equipped with failing which whatever 5th Gen tech we achieve will be incomplete to say the least.

Rest assured we won't get to be part of the R&D of that or even be sold it's tech, whatever the price although the British & French led consortium would definitely sell the product to us. That's the dilemma the Indian aerospace managers in DRDO labs the IAF & MoD are grappling with now. Just my 2 cents
 

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Nothing we did not know before but still good to have some thought process, Astra microwaves November presentation had this part in bold

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Developed by Melbourne, Florida.-based L3 Harris, the VAMPIRE weapon is a small four-barreled rocket launcher that also includes a sensor ball. The whole assembly can be put together by a two-man crew on the cargo bed of a standard pickup truck in just a couple of hours. The weapon can be used to launch advanced precision kill weapons systems (APKWS) or other laser-guided munition . Unlike Stinger-missiles that allow single launches, the VAMPIRE system, with four barrels, can strike multiple targets without the need for reloading. The ability to install them on NTVs means that they can cover a larger area without special needs . The system can help the Ukrainian forces reduce the time spent on locking on to their targets .



Solar group is developing a similar system , but with large number of missiles .

 
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Solar group is developing a similar system , but with large number of missiles .


Theoretically similar (turn a 4 wheeler in very fast in & out delivery platform), Solar groups one is anti drone, this one above seems short MBRL type, like the crude mockup we seen few month ago in a makeshift ukr vehicle where they mounted rocket launcher on a car, ~ 4km firing range.

If you can mount a heli carried rocket pod on a vehicle with fuses & fire control you can possibly get similar system, these are sort of battlefield mod. Can be improved if the rockets are guided/extended range/small camera infront/iir seeker. Gradually the loitering ammo tube mount will be preferred.

Thing is under normal condition no elite class army force would consider that as possible weapon system thereby arm producers won't either. But during wars, these are handy in some situations (thereby mark the saga why our army can not agree on spec they need, every other general would want something suited to their need). Usa, nato keep those mods as they are always looking for fights.
 
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This is not entirely news, since we do not get public/stock market recording of BDL concalls, we rely on the analysts report from the reputed investment companies like ICICI to get visibility of future order/prospects. So if you want, I will try to post occasionally

BDL (August 2022) : https://www.icicidirect.com/mailimages/IDirect_BharatDynamics_IC.pdf
BDL (November) : https://www.icicidirect.com/mailimages/IDirect_BharatDynamics_Q2FY23.pdf

BEL (Oct 22) : https://www.icicidirect.com/mailimages/IDirect_BharatElectronics_Q2FY23.pdf

Solar grp (Nov 22) : https://www.icicidirect.com/mailimages/IDirect_SolarIndustries_Q2FY23.pdf
 

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This is tentative, will probably be more than 3 years. Also it would be bigger & high energy demanding so timescale will be stretched.
Upscaling testing & certifying the Uttam for MKIs isn't a problem by 2026. It's mfg it in numbers assuming all 272 are to be upgraded with Uttam AESA radars by 2030 which is the problem.
 
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Upscaling testing & certifying the Uttam for MKIs isn't a problem by 2026. It's mfg it in numbers assuming all 272 are to be upgraded with Uttam AESA radars by 2030 which is the problem.
That part will definitely happen in phases possibly 1-2 squadron every time brought back for the work at HAL lead integrator for uttam, imo the initial scaling up part will be tricky as you have to satisfy IAF with performance & other metric.