Indian Automotive Sector
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@Parthu
When TVS purchased Norton Motorcycles, I had hopes for some of Norton's products to makes it to the Indian market. Still nothing on that yet. Even if they do make it to India, it will probably be very expensive as Norton's manufacturing will be done in the UK. I hope Bajaj does a better job with KTM.
Ironically the only real innovator in the Indian 2-wheeler market in the last decade has been RE.
When TVS purchased Norton Motorcycles, I had hopes for some of Norton's products to makes it to the Indian market. Still nothing on that yet. Even if they do make it to India, it will probably be very expensive as Norton's manufacturing will be done in the UK. I hope Bajaj does a better job with KTM.
Ironically the only real innovator in the Indian 2-wheeler market in the last decade has been RE.
products by 3 more companies approved under the PLI scheme for auto sector.
Again, I'm not getting the notification when you mention me for some reason.
It's true what you said, though I did hear recently that Norton-branded motorcycles in smaller displacements (400-650cc I would assume, to compete with RE) are in the works. These will in all probability be made in India by TVS.
Larger UK-made Nortons are now confirmed to be launching in India this year:
TVS confirms Norton India launch by end 2025 | Autocar India
New Norton bikes to launch in India by end of 2025. Tap for more.
Govt need to work on this to diversify the supply chain as well as to develop a supply chain at home. Atleast we need to build more refineries/processing plants.
Incentives like subsidies, relaxed norms, etc should also be given to some private players.
This shows how vulnerable EV industry is to external factors. Government needs to be cautious while pushing for EVs. Entire industry could even move to China if they see no possibility of any solution. Hitachi magnet production unit literally moved to China a few years back because of these issue.
Incentives like subsidies, relaxed norms, etc should also be given to some private players.
This shows how vulnerable EV industry is to external factors. Government needs to be cautious while pushing for EVs. Entire industry could even move to China if they see no possibility of any solution. Hitachi magnet production unit literally moved to China a few years back because of these issue.
Not necessarily.
try following the MotorInc channel. Some refreshing and very educative take on some of industry specific info not available else where (in non cringe format)
This could be huge if it goes through. Tata Motors is supposedly in talks to acquire controlling stake in IVECO's commercial vehicle business.
m.economictimes.com
Tata Motors approaches Italy's Agnelli family to buy controlling stake in Iveco - The Economic Times
Indias Tata Motors has approached Italys Agnelli family for a potential acquisition of truck maker Iveco Group, according to three Reuters sources. The discussions are with Exor, the Agnellis' investment firm, which holds a 27.1% stake and 43.1% voting rights in Iveco. The deal would exclude...
This could be huge if it goes through. Tata Motors is supposedly in talks to acquire controlling stake in IVECO's commercial vehicle business.
Tata Motors approaches Italy's Agnelli family to buy controlling stake in Iveco - The Economic Times
Indias Tata Motors has approached Italys Agnelli family for a potential acquisition of truck maker Iveco Group, according to three Reuters sources. The discussions are with Exor, the Agnellis' investment firm, which holds a 27.1% stake and 43.1% voting rights in Iveco. The deal would exclude...
Looks like it's happening:
Tata Motors set to acquire Italian truck maker Iveco for $4.5 billion in its biggest deal to date
Tata Motors is reportedly close to acquiring Italian truck maker Iveco from the Agnelli family for $4.5 billion, potentially the group's second-largest acquisition. Expected to be announced soon, the deal involves Tata buying Exor's stake and launching a tender offer for remaining shares...
No breakthrough in talks with China over rare earth magnet
There has been no breakthrough in the ongoing discussions between India and China over supply of rare earth magnet. Indian auto and electronic manufacturers are
@randomradio @_Anonymous_ @Parthu @Rajput Lion and others. Some Indian companies saying they will totally run out of magnets by July 31st, in 2 days!!! And the article says China showed no interest to meet the Indian delegation to discuss the supply of magnets. Looks like they want to crush our EV and electronics manufacturing while it's in a nascent stage.
Yes freebies for gol gapa gadkari son & family getting rich selling ethanol to chu Indians, no wonder he is less of a transport minister & more of a petroleum minister & even blabber ethanol in his dreams 24*7 .......Ethanol blending doesn't provide any advantage or help in saving money it's a myth, but when corruption & fooling low IQ Indians is name of the game there is nothing can be done.
Unfortunately, as hilarious as this post was there is some respite that E-blends can provide. However, it is not to the extent that many think it is. A few benefits for oil-dependent nations: this mitigates vulnerability to global oil price fluctuations, supply disruptions, foreign exchange outflows, and provides cleaner fuel. You can expect reasonable returns but this is not a one stop solution as it is claimed to be.
That's why there's been a multi pronged approach for a long time. The investment in solar energy is paying off now. Soon, we can see increase in share of nuclear energy, wind energy and hopefully hydro energy from indus and brahmaputra tributaries.
Then there's new age concept currently in development in nations like Japan which uses osmosis and underwater current for electricity generation.
People tend to forget the era when UPA govt had to issue bonds to purchase oil at premium interest. Which the nation has to pay after him. Neither do we appreciate enough the resilience our own oil prices have shown. Yes it's costly. Huge, but we simply don't have an alternative untill our battery technology and infra improves to the viable extent.
And, wether gadkaris son got benefits with insider information during the policy discussion itself is the issue and should be raised. Ok.
But the issue for ethanol should be seen from engineering perspective. How many times we criticise kirana industrialist of India.. most of the problems faced by humanity have been solved through science and innovative engineering. It would do well for companies to raise their standard of the engine itself and mitigate the genuine issues arising out of ethanol. But the narrative that it's a doom is just that.
Otherwise, imagine there are crores of crores users who commute daily and depend on ethanol based petrol too. The kind of doom predicted would've shown ground agitation leading to media narrative unlike now, when SM becomes progenitor of narrative and than people are constantly brainwashed through repitetion in hopes of agitation.
I mean, in the era when there was no connectivity as now, we saw huge movement and crowd for issues. Now you have to depend on pulling crowd via "farmer" protest raising khalistani flags? Riots in garb of "I love " ? CAA narrative , dubious NGOs.. and it's always the same group of people at core along with same crowd. No matter the nature of topic of issue. They have done more harm than help to the actual cause and issues people by hijacking it from them.
I have the following questions on this topic --
1. Why are vehicles pre-2023 being forced to use E20 blended petrol when they were not built for E20 and as per manual are built for E10 only?
2. We are early by more than 5 years for full E20 adoption, why cannot GoI provide a phased approach where the consumer is given a choice, to choose between E10 and E20 based on their vehicle?
3. Why does Gadkari keep saying that people asking for the above choice being driven by some lobby? Why does he get to label them anti-national?
4. Why are the people voicing the ground reality being forced to remove their videos from youtube/instagram? Why are car manufacturers diverting the cost of "Ethanol related problems" to the consumer?
5. Why isn't there any clear information about insurance claims for ethanol related damages?
After paying hefty taxes and driving in god awful road conditions, is it too much to ask for accountability and policies backed by basic senses?
All these question come from a valid pov and concern. The last question especially needs an answer ASAP. However, from a purely technical perspective certain E-blends especially the older do have certain merit. The govt. has bungled up a fair bit of things and that's the only thing I can state on this issue.
@Gautam, @Ashwin. Please move these conversations to the relevant policy or National politics thread. Thank you. Anyone engaging others on this can take it up in those thread(s).
Good question and thats why I mentioned that a certain group of andolan jeevis have done more harm to the issues of people than helping them. They hijack it and then bend the narrative suting their agenda. Not people's.
Have you heard of that story of sheep herder who used to prank the villagers by shouting the threat of lion.. And how after several successful attempts at pranks, when actual tragedy strikes, the villagers couldn't trust the guy.
Even now, they haven't raised Ethanol issue in itself but just inserted it in their wider campaign of opposing everything and anything, the same umbrella under which we have protest against metro, bullet trains, Roads(yes, even roads), border infrastructure, NRC, illegal immigrants issue, SIR and against CEC, giving convenient excuse to gadkari. Add on top of it their use of double standards when it comes to "influencing" and spreading "awareness". They are using E-20 to justify their wider narrative. Steering the eventual discussion away from the issues.
Neither does anyone have policy alternative or demanding phased approach rather than your kid,mykid. When their state govt show such poor performance but they turn a blind eye.. they lose the trust of people.
And that trust erosion cannot be countered by relying on anti-incumbency and eventual policy differences of people with centre in some issues. Case in point, many of our stance on handling of IW during op sindoor or your points on E-20.
Then you've got guys like Hydra who use E-20 mandate to somehow link it for criticising govt in issues of national security. Where the opposition/criticisers own stance will stand no chance of even being at par let alone win.
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Tbh it is not that simple. It depends on your vehicle. Even some older vehicles like from Honda are E20 compliant since 2009. And some E10 compliant vehicles have some engines that can work on E20 without much issue. So the problem with E20 can vary case by case basis. Most of the problem with these PIL if you read carefully is those are poorly filed. And they are trying to go against the law itself as whole. Ethanol blending itself is not a problem, E20 is something that was bound to happen sooner or later.
We should look beyond all this uproar and need to look at this issue from a more scientific and statistical perspective. That is only way to understand the real picture.
Also Gadkari isn't the Oil Minister. I don't think Puri has ever said we are going E27 anytime soon...There is just too uproar, we are not going to E27 by 2030.