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[Rajput Lion]

Those plans have been in the making since the past few years . I thought a decision was taken given your grand announcement.

Meanwhile I found this piece of news intriguing



Was under the impression Pralay was already certified for induction.



This is something I've been advocating since long & is essentially low hanging fruit that can easily be accomplished . If they're still mulling over it which is change & a good one to say the least , when exactly are they going to get down to doing this ?

Not just mulling but decision has been reached to use quasi-BMs like Shaurya and MRBM like Agni-Prime series along with new short/medium range BM-04 etc. for battlefield tactical use under the umbrella of our forthcoming "Integrated Rocket Force". It's on now.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Not mulling but decision has been reached to uses quasi-BMs like Shaurya and Agni-Prime series along with new short/medium range BM-04 etc. for battlefield tactical use under the umbrella of

our forthcoming Integrated Rocket Force.

Frankly I'm sick of the prefix forthcoming. They'd better get around to deciding & implementing it this year if they're serious & would like to be seen as such.

Moreover I'd like to see the entire Rocket Force deployed latest by 2029 with all the elements in place & not go in for piece meal acquisitions spread over a 5 year plan extendable by another 5 . Expansion of the force can follow.

Finally we need missiles with a max range of 3500-4000 kms in our arsenal too for us to fire missiles from the Eastern front as opposed to the NE to reach Beijing.

 

[babablacksheep]

Frankly I'm sick of the prefix forthcoming. They'd better get around to deciding & implementing it this year if they're serious & would like to be seen as such.

Moreover I'd like to see the entire Rocket Force deployed latest by 2029 with all the elements in place & not go in for piece meal acquisitions spread over a 5 year plan extendable by another 5 . Expansion of the force can follow.

Finally we need missiles with a max range of 3500-4000 kms in our arsenal too for us to fire missiles from the Eastern front as opposed to the NE to reach Beijing.

Dhvani, 5500km+

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937497994422583755

 

[_Anonymous_]

Dhvani, 5500km+

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937497994422583755

Has it been developed tested certified & deployed in huge numbers like say a couple of thousands ? If not no point bringing it up here till this has been accomplished.

I was referring to what we have now which can be deployed not something which is on the way & will be with us in another decade.

There's the Agni family of missiles with ranges between 2-4000 kms which can be converted to tactical use.

We can also boost mfg this entire family of missiles to a few thousand per annum . We need such a capacity N-O-W not in a 5 years or a decade.

 

[jmaxwell_]

I respect that the first action of the Indian govt was to send aid. But I guarantee if this were the other way around, the Chinese would not have missed the opportunity at online infowar (indian dam collapses, india fails to warn nepal, india fails to protect american tourists, etc. etc.)... which I have no doubt they're currently running focus groups. Even the wording almost frames it like a natural disaster:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2092533159900623207

 

[RationalGuy]

Has it been developed tested certified & deployed in huge numbers like say a couple of thousands ? If not no point bringing it up here till this has been accomplished.

I was referring to what we have now which can be deployed not something which is on the way & will be with us in another decade.

There's the Agni family of missiles with ranges between 2-4000 kms which can be converted to tactical use.

We can also boost mfg this entire family of missiles to a few thousand per annum . We need such a capacity N-O-W not in a 5 years or a decade.

Dhvani is meant to be a strategic weapon and HGV are expensive to produce. I doubt even China has more than few hundreds of DF ZF.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Dhvani is meant to be a strategic weapon and HGV are expensive to produce. I doubt even China has more than few hundreds of DF ZF.

I'm asking what do we have to restore that balance as of now. If the answer is its on its way then my response would be the same as Gen V.P. Malik at the onset of the Kargil War in 1999 , more than 26 years ago - "we will fight with what we have. "

You must be glad to note that the more the change the more it's remained the same.

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2112209382402605457

 

[jmaxwell_]

Q) Under what conditions and how will China undertake a military action against India?​

A) Critical requirements:

1)


China's military coercion always has a POLITICAL OBJECTIVE. It will NOT do it just on basis of calculating it has an operational cost benefit in dollars and cents, or men and material. If their political objective is attainable, then ANY operational cost is acceptable.

Example: The POLITICAL OBJECTIVE for picking a war with Vietnam was for Deng Xiaoping to teach a lesson to Vietnam politically (halt Viet hegemonic tendencies in Cambodia, etc.) at the operational cost of a horrific number of loses for the Chinese.

Example: The POLITICAL OBJECTIVE for eastern Ladakh conflict was a reaction to the abrogation of Article 370 (which renews India's claims on Aksai Chin) and the building of the DSDBO road that gives entry into the most sensitive parts of China (Xinjiang, Tibet, CPEC, etc)

Lesson: In the event of a conflict, India must understand their POLITICAL OBJECTIVE and make it unattainable.

2)




China will not rush, or get into an indefinite military conflict. Instead they prefer to use grey zone tactics, diplomatic coercion, economic pressure and so on.

Lesson: Anti-India bot farms, faceoffs at the India/China border, etc. are a part of this strategy. You must either counter his grey zone tactics with your own, or tweak the political objective. Areas where Indian counter grey zone tactics could be most effective:


(Exploit regional politics around REM in Burma, Turkic ethno-nationalist identity in Xinjiang and the central Asian republics, etc)

3)




China will evaluate the global context and seek external adventure to deal with a domestic crisis.

Example: The domestic element for Deng to go to war with Vietnam was to cut the PLA down politically which resisted the economic changes and eliminate the Maoist rivals in the PLA. And in the global context halt Vietnamese-Soviet alliance, and protect Sino-US quasi-alliance for Sino entry into global economy, etc.

Lesson: If China doesn't have an opportunity in the current global context against India, it will NOT seek a military conflict. A politically stable India in the global context of US/Iran and Russia/Ukraine wars will make China unlikely to seek a war.

 

[screambowl]

Counterpart is Chinese army with complete fighting skills and ideology to ingress with full package deployment and here you have ITBP which is a police force and vigilantes only guarding the infrastructure being built. Within hours Chinese will be able to reach at doors during night mobilization to say good morning to Indians and here Indian army will take 4-5 days to deploy by the time Chinese would have already crossed 5-10kms Inside India. Yeh kya faltu deployment hai. I think common sense is not so common among Indians.

 

[jmaxwell_]

India doesn't understand its own strength.

I saw an interview with WgCmdr Julie and the defeatist mentality wrt China sucked all the oxygen out of the room (the Indian defeat in 1962, their larger economy, their robot dogs, their AI, their this and that ...). Hope she takes some of the lessons from the Iranians and the Ukrainians to heart.

To quote Henry Ford -
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't – you're right."

 

[screambowl]

Chinese troops pitch tents near LAC as face-offs continue, confirms Indian border police chief​

Indo-Tibetan Border Police chief Shatrujeet Kapur says face-offs between Indian security forces and Chinese troops have continued at multiple locations along the Line of Actual Control since July, including in Arunachal Pradesh, with Chinese personnel pitching tents near India’s perception of the border

Fresh face-offs between Indian security forces and Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops have been taking place along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), including in sectors of Arunachal Pradesh, Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) Director General Shatrujeet Kapur has said.

Speaking at an ITBP event, Kapur confirmed that tensions at several locations along the border have continued since July, with some face-off situations still unresolved.

“In the past few days, a situation arose where face-offs happened at several locations... and it still continues,” Kapur said.

Chinese troops pitch tents near perceived LAC​

Kapur also spoke about Chinese troop deployments in forward areas along the border. According to the details provided, PLA personnel have pitched military tents around 6 to 7 kilometres from India's perception of the LAC in areas including Asapfila and locations near Taksing in Arunachal Pradesh.

Indian forces have responded with counter-deployments to maintain their positions and prevent further encroachment, Kapur indicated.

ITBP chief flags drones as key to countering China’s military edge​

General Shatrujeet also highlighted the growing importance of drones in modern warfare, saying India would find it difficult to counter China through traditional military methods alone, given Beijing's investments in modernising its armed forces.

“To face China through traditional ways would be tough now. Because, China has invested heavily in the modernization of its forces and has moved ahead,” he said.

https://www.firstpost.com/india/chinese-troops-pitch-tents-near-lac-face-offs-with-indian-forces-continue-says-indo-tibetan-border-police-chief-14054778.html

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Hope fully Indian army is patrolling along the ITBP. They are testing the reaction time of Indian deployment and patrol strength.