India - United States Relations

[jetray]

US agriculture exports is not in good shape, if we open our markets it will be a complete disaster. US gives so much subsidies to its farmers that our fertilizer subsidy to farmers will look like chump change.
Trump is trying to arm twist us and push their problems over to India. This guy is the rubbish friend who sacrifices others for his gain. He simply doesnt care whatever happens to the other side.

 

[Speedster1]

Thought so. Whole drama is about oil lobby. The guy is truly a salesman to the core. Door to door salesman, going to every country selling it's oil and throwing a sissy fit when customers don't want to.

The only issue is the company he works for enjoys leverage with customers and he threatens to tell the company to pull plug on other services .

Problem is they see India as the only 'ally' still holding out while others like Japan, SoKo have given in, despite being utterly humiliated. But if the prev ambassador Garcetti's charm offensive didn't work, what's to say this guy (who seems like a complete newbie) would succeed?

 

[Gautam]

Expected:

 

[Defc0n]

WTF is this now --

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966903705124696092

 

[Sathya]

WTF is this now --

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966903705124696092

They proved themselves unreliable by delaying Apache , Romeo , GE F414 engine etc

They want to grab the MRFA from French

JV engine with French could cut short US deals

GE could entice with F414 EPE ..

Or is it to counter Su 57 deal , if it's in the pipeline..

@Rajput Lion ur take will be , India to purchase all 3 right ?

 

[Rajput Lion]

They proved themselves unreliable by delaying Apache , Romeo , GE F414 engine etc

They want to grab the MRFA from French

JV engine with French could cut short US deals

GE could entice with F414 EPE ..

Or is it to counter Su 57 deal , if it's in the pipeline..

@Rajput Lion ur take will be , India to purchase all 3 right ?

If you remember one of my old posts, I indeed said that India should procure all three. More Rafales are now a lock along with Su-57. Yes, GOI has already decided on both of the above and now only terms and comditions along with the numbers are to be decided for which serious discussions are taking place ever so silently with both the French and the Russians.

Regarding F-35, well! The jet is as reliable as Uncle Sam himself(which is not that much). But it is a technological marvel. Plus we need to continue to placate USA to continue engine supply for our Tejas programme.

For us our Tejas programme and then the subsequent AMCA programme are both far more important than Rafale or Su-57 or F-35.

But if US is willing to remove all tariffs on India and ensures timely supply of F404 & F414 engines(the latter produced in India), then having 50-100 F-35A makes complete sense, IMO.

PS: Modi ji is very hurt and disturbed about Trump's and Deep States' behaviour towards India. Trump is even urging EU & G7 to impose 100% tariffs on Indian goods. So at the moment, India buying F-35 or any other US fighter jet is extremely unlikely.

 

[jetray]

circus never stops.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967001322886230406

If you remember one of my old posts, I indeed said that India should procure all three. More Rafales are now a lock along with Su-57. Yes, GOI has already decided on both of the above and now only terms and comditions along with the numbers are to be decided for which serious discussions are taking place ever so silently with both the French and the Russians.

Regarding F-35, well! The jet is as reliable as Uncle Sam himself(which is not that much). But it is a technological marvel. Plus we need to continue to placate USA to continue engine supply for our Tejas programme.

For us our Tejas programme and then the subsequent AMCA programme are both far more important than Rafale or Su-57 or F-35.

But if US is willing to remove all tariffs on India and ensures timely supply of F404 & F414 engines(the latter produced in India), then having 50-100 F-35A makes complete sense, IMO.

PS: Modi ji is very hurt and disturbed about Trump's and Deep States' behaviour towards India. Trump is even urging EU & G7 to impose 100% tariffs on Indian goods. So at the moment, India buying F-35 or any other US fighter jet is extremely unlikely.

probably we can placate them by giving orders for non critical systems , like rifles or vehicles in low numbers, but avoid big ticket items that require maintenance and long term use. We need constantly name and shame them as unreliable transactional ppl and they need to do more gain trust.

 

[Saaho]

circus never stops.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967001322886230406

probably we can placate them by giving orders for non critical systems , like rifles or vehicles in low numbers, but avoid big ticket items that require maintenance and long term use. We need constantly name and shame them as unreliable transactional ppl and they need to do more gain trust.

No need to do anything... the bill will fizzle out.

 

[Saaho]

WTF is this now --

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966903705124696092

In medical language it is called "Randuapan". Typically seen in Pakistani but looks like it is contagious... Trump is spending too much time with Munir...

Typical symptoms are acting like an ex and offering favours without being asked or after denial. Jealousy and Drama is also commonly seen.

Should be avoided.

 

[Speedster1]

If you remember one of my old posts, I indeed said that India should procure all three. More Rafales are now a lock along with Su-57. Yes, GOI has already decided on both of the above and now only terms and comditions along with the numbers are to be decided for which serious discussions are taking place ever so silently with both the French and the Russians.

Regarding F-35, well! The jet is as reliable as Uncle Sam himself(which is not that much). But it is a technological marvel. Plus we need to continue to placate USA to continue engine supply for our Tejas programme.

For us our Tejas programme and then the subsequent AMCA programme are both far more important than Rafale or Su-57 or F-35.

But if US is willing to remove all tariffs on India and ensures timely supply of F404 & F414 engines(the latter produced in India), then having 50-100 F-35A makes complete sense, IMO.

PS: Modi ji is very hurt and disturbed about Trump's and Deep States' behaviour towards India. Trump is even urging EU & G7 to impose 100% tariffs on Indian goods. So at the moment, India buying F-35 or any other US fighter jet is extremely unlikely.

AUKUS (J-AUKUS if Japan is roped in) seems to have replaced the Quad as the central pillar of the US' Indo-Pac strategy against China. I can't help but think that the Biden admin came up with it because of India's refusal to be part of an eventual military alliance (apart from the Anglo-Saxon angle, of course)

In particular, the US has been trying hard to prop up Australia militarily by allowing it to license produce their PGMs and even TBMs like PrSM. US SSNs are deploying on a rotational basis to Oz on a routine basis now.

If Trump doesn't not make it the Quad summit being held in India later this year, you can be sure Quad is all but dead. In such a scenario, I'd say the F-35 is pretty much toast for the IAF.

I'd hoped the IN would get a few F-35Bs for IAC and LPH/LHD but given the recent incidents involving UK birds, that doesn't seem to be a good idea either.

However, we should continue to dangle the carrot for a while to keep fat cat Trump amused. Let's use the reputation we have for extremely slow defence procurement to our advantage.

 

[Saaho]

AUKUS (J-AUKUS if Japan is roped in) seems to have replaced the Quad as the central pillar of the US' Indo-Pac strategy against China. I can't help but think that the Biden admin came up with it because of India's refusal to be part of an eventual military alliance (apart from the Anglo-Saxon angle, of course)

In particular, the US has been trying hard to prop up Australia militarily by allowing it to license produce their PGMs and even TBMs like PrSM. US SSNs are deploying on a rotational basis to Oz on a routine basis now.

If Trump doesn't not make it the Quad summit being held in India later this year, you can be sure Quad is all but dead. In such a scenario, I'd say the F-35 is pretty much toast for the IAF.

I'd hoped the IN would get a few F-35Bs for IAC and LPH/LHD but given the recent incidents involving UK birds, that doesn't seem to be a good idea either.

However, we should continue to dangle the carrot for a while to keep fat cat Trump amused. Let's use the reputation we have for extremely slow defence procurement to our advantage.

Never explain something by malice when incompetence can adequately explain it.
Trump and all the personnels currently in his administration are as far away from competence as it gets. There is absolutely ZERO strategic thought in present day American actions.

DOGE was the end of America as a competent nation state and beginning of circus that is Trumpistan.

I am pretty sure if a military showdown with China happens, having USA on your "side" will be a tractical and strategic weakness and not strength.

Yes, nothwithstanding all their toys, they have become this unreliable and are breeding incompetence among them faster than a Pakistani man breeds British teenager girls.

I will stay away from ANY america made weapon that is of critical importance and which will require a constant support and supply from America.

When a two faced snake shows you its true face, you better believe him.

 

[Optimist]

Never explain something by malice when incompetence can adequately explain it.
Trump and all the personnels currently in his administration are as far away from competence as it gets. There is absolutely ZERO strategic thought in present day American actions.

DOGE was the end of America as a competent nation state and beginning of circus that is Trumpistan.

I am pretty sure if a military showdown with China happens, having USA on your "side" will be a tractical and strategic weakness and not strength.

Yes, nothwithstanding all their toys, they have become this unreliable and are breeding incompetence among them faster than a Pakistani man breeds British teenager girls.

I will stay away from ANY america made weapon that is of critical importance and which will require a constant support and supply from America.

When a two faced snake shows you its true face, you better believe him.

 

[Optimist]

AUKUS
Pilar 1 is the sub, I cant see it being offered around
pilar 2 are a bunch of people with white coats in labs, Where there could be space for others

QUAD is different and stands on itself

We will have to wait to see, what the US is after Trump's nonsense

 

[Speedster1]

DOGE was the end of America as a competent nation state and beginning of circus that is Trumpistan.

For one, I'm glad they shut down USAID. Their activities in the NE states were not completely above board.

Yes, nothwithstanding all their toys, they have become this unreliable and are breeding incompetence among them faster than a Pakistani man breeds British teenager girls.

I will stay away from ANY america made weapon that is of critical importance and which will require a constant support and supply from America

Unfortunately, it's too late for that. From C-17s, F-404/414 to the P-8I, we are critically dependent on the Americans for resupplying forward bases along both borders and powering the bulk of our future fighter fleet + maritime recon/ASW. No indigenous alternatives for decades into the future.

No sympathies for the Brits, they had it coming. Decades of appeasement is now biting them in the *censored*. Our former colonial masters are now themselves being colonized.

 

[Subgradewalker]

[/QUOTE]

For one, I'm glad they shut down USAID. Their activities in the NE states were not completely above board.

It would be naive to think that USAID is really shut off. It just went from traceable to untraceable. While USAID made it easy for US politicians to fund their international agenda, they foundation is still there. They will just get funds in creative ways like they do for other things.

So, don't fall for such gimmicks. USAID and their network of sleeper cells (NGOs) are still very much active and a threat to India.

 

[Saaho]

Unfortunately, it's too late for that. From C-17s, F-404/414 to the P-8I, we are critically dependent on the Americans for resupplying forward bases along both borders and powering the bulk of our future fighter fleet + maritime recon/ASW. No indigenous alternatives for decades into the future.

Well, if you are in a hole, stop digging it further..... especially if you know there is a snake in it.

 

[Gautam]

India seems to have cranked up Russian oil intake to near China levels:

India's Russian crude imports rise to €2.9 bn in Aug, close to China's €3.1 bn

'Share too large to lose’: Russia crude competitively priced for India, China; interest to remain strong despite sanctions - The Times of India

US commerce sec cribbing about corn:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967134509725610053

However the US thought this trade negotiation was going to go, it doesn't seem to have panned out that way. Daily whining to the media is not a sign of "winning". It is likely a sign of frustration from not getting your way.

 

[_Anonymous_]

India seems to have cranked up Russian oil intake to near China levels:

India's Russian crude imports rise to €2.9 bn in Aug, close to China's €3.1 bn

'Share too large to lose’: Russia crude competitively priced for India, China; interest to remain strong despite sanctions - The Times of India

US commerce sec cribbing about corn:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967134509725610053

However the US thought this trade negotiation was going to go, it doesn't seem to have panned out that way. Daily whining to the media is not a sign of "winning". It is likely a sign of frustration from not getting your way.

That's coz at this point it's clear Trump's departed from his own previous term's & the Biden administration's policies of isolating China thru the China + 1 framework.

Ideally he ought to have teamed up with US allies vassals & friends to draw out a roadmap in order to achieve the above.

Instead he's unwittingly involved in implementing the G2 policy wherein he knows he can't damage China much but he can squeeze his allies to relaunch mfg in the US thru massive investments & one sided trade deals , US security policy & strategies be damned.

The EU , Japan & RoK signed up only coz they thought the US would continue to live up to its past security guarantees. The new defence policy authored by Hegseth to be unveiled shortly will disabuse them of all their hope & expectations.

Trump is not interested in what happens in the rest of the world , he's more interested in the US . Hence all past security arrangements like Quad , AUKUS , J-AUKUS or F-AUKUS is up in the air at the moment. Please note pops , the A in all that acronym soup is still silent. @Optimist

 

[Saaho]

India seems to have cranked up Russian oil intake to near China levels:

India's Russian crude imports rise to €2.9 bn in Aug, close to China's €3.1 bn

'Share too large to lose’: Russia crude competitively priced for India, China; interest to remain strong despite sanctions - The Times of India

US commerce sec cribbing about corn:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967134509725610053

However the US thought this trade negotiation was going to go, it doesn't seem to have panned out that way. Daily whining to the media is not a sign of "winning". It is likely a sign of frustration from not getting your way.

Modi is the king of Cocktease and Trolling!

All hail the Priest King! The master of Kamasutra and OG of cocktease!

US commerce sec cribbing about corn:

Oh well, we can ask Gadkari to say : "We LOVE Corn, especially American CoRN"

Send all corn to [email protected]! He will love it!

 

[RationalGuy]

There is enough info out there, to say that the tariffs are a Trump and other investors shakedown of countries, for personal gain
Vietnam for instance and the 1,5B golf course is just one shakedown

Vietnam ‘bypassing its own laws’ to fast-track Trump golf resort amid tariffs threat

Trump project began groundbreaking after just three months of planning process that is said to usually take years

www.independent.co.uk

This is blatant open corruption. Like literal third world level! Bribe el presidente to get favorable deals. Something you would expect from Uganda, not the United States.