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He can try limiting entry of Indians into USA but outsourcing is not possible to be stopped unless congress ie American parliament passes a law to give that power to President.

If he tried stopping coming of Indians into USA, many jobs will be moved outside America altogether.
Yes, he cant explicitly stop Indians or chinese from coming to US. But he can use other ways & means, it does not need to be explicit. He can just target Indian companies & companies that outsource by issuing heft fines. When business see it no longer worth the trouble they wont give business to India/Indians.

Just delaying visa approvals itself is gud enuf to make companies think twice. Look companies in US will do as their govt says, this thinking that they can still outsource against govts will is just wishful thought. American companies will remain american they can register themselves in ireland or cayman islands, other than evading tax nothing much will change they will do as their govt says.
 
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What went down at that call in Canada b/w both of them. Even misry was visibly irritated and angry while delivering the video message.

So before that call, modi was open to meet trump but not after that. Reports coming in that he didn't pick up the calls, now refusing unga session in USA. 🤔


Any wild theories lol? Someone just talked about teenage romance above !
Its simple. He wanted to put Modi and Munir in a photo shoot by trickry to claim Nobel Prize... Not gonna happen. It should have pissed babudom as well... they act clever, they do not like being acted upon cleverly.
 
Yeah, Trump and Americans are highly susceptible to drama. Ever wonder why they are so god damned loud about everything... Politics is entertainment in Trumpistan... But then so is our people... So yeah....

Ram Milai Jodi....
Ek Trump and Ek Modi...

Its match stick tangoing with oily drum... what could go wrong...
 
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Talking to a news agency, the Indian foreign minister said that "PM Modi attaches enormous importance to our partnership with the US." He added that "Where President Trump is concerned, he (PM Modi) has always had a very good personal equation with President Trump."In a clear reference to the ongoing trade tensions between India and US he added that "But the point is that we remain engaged with the US, and at this time, I can't say more than that."
 
Just like ukraine war, its a war of attrition , we need to sit back and praise but do nothing. :ROFLMAO:
Just announce more defence contracts but dont sign any contract. we know how to play this game. :cool:
Absolutely. There is a reason why bollywood movies are 3.5 hours long at times. We can out "play" Hollywood in war of attrition....
 
You know what. I will actually wanna see this. In effect. For long companies like TCS and WIPRO have gotten over their head of being IT services giants.
Even with AI, they refused to change their services model to adopt development & IP creation model .

Once they get hit and see how the world is still running smoothly.. maybe and just maybe they will come back to the table with govt and contribute to self-reliance in major ways.
So in future, reliance does t have to partner with fckn meta but have an Indian option.

But I doubt it will happen though.

Another option is that govt will open its purse for startup 2.0 software mission. The layoffed workforce can start something, create plethora of groups for founders with necessary skills and embark on indigenousing every single software that we license from outside india. And sell them.

It will be tough. But game changer.
If you aren't in to IT sector, visibly no problem for ypu. As nation, we will go back to 1990s on ecenomocic terms.
 

If you aren't in to IT sector, visibly no problem for ypu. As nation, we will go back to 1990s on ecenomocic terms.
He won't be able to do it without backlash from the industry giants like Google & Microsoft. You wonder why our pharmaceuticals and electronics are exempted from tariffs? And why some of the tariffs are still exempted through some convulated sub clauses? Because the running an Industry is complicated and you can't suddenly change everything in a day. Hydra I will not sugarcoat my word but you panic too much. Unnecessarily paranoid about USA and going as far as to being mentally subservient to USA. One day you might even say let us imitate Pakistan and throw away all our sovereignty to the USA and make them our illigetimate father.
 
He won't be able to do it without backlash from the industry giants like Google & Microsoft. You wonder why our pharmaceuticals and electronics are exempted from tariffs? And why some of the tariffs are still exempted through some convulated sub clauses? Because the running an Industry is complicated and you can't suddenly change everything in a day. Hydra I will not sugarcoat my word but you panic too much. Unnecessarily paranoid about USA and going as far as to being mentally subservient to USA. One day you might even say let us imitate Pakistan and throw away all our sovereignty to the USA and make them our illigetimate father.
In this forum itself brute majority of members were in an opinion that US need india more than we need USA as the earlier one need a counterpart to have a check on China. And what did happened now.
If they want they can easily put a stop on IT outsourcing.
And people like the twitter handle will be more happy Trump's support will be ten folded.

Question is do we need Russian oil whrn margine is mere 5 dollars for such a huge loss of revenue for IT sector and the employment created in India? When this reduced price don't have any visible effect on fuel price in india
 
In this forum itself brute majority of members were in an opinion that US need india more than we need USA as the earlier one need a counterpart to have a check on China. And what did happened now.
If they want they can easily put a stop on IT outsourcing.
And people like the twitter handle will be more happy Trump's support will be ten folded.

Question is do we need Russian oil whrn margine is mere 5 dollars for such a huge loss of revenue for IT sector and the employment created in India? When this reduced price don't have any visible effect on fuel price in india
It’s short-sighted to reduce the current tensions between India and the U.S. to just the issue of Russian oil. That’s merely the pretext. The real issue is much broader. It is about sovereignty, market access, and economic independence.

The U.S., especially under Trump, is trying to strong-arm India into aligning completely with its agenda. This isn’t genuine bilateral trade, it’s coercion. Just look at how Japan was treated under Trump’s trade demands: markets forced open, agriculture and local industries exposed to unfair competition, and in return, very little benefit. Even today, many in Japan are questioning whether those concessions were worth it.

India cannot afford to make the same mistake. Trade agreements are supposed to be balanced, where both sides open some sectors while protecting others critical to their national interests. Agriculture, small industries, and domestic markets are areas we cannot simply surrender to multinational corporations.

Trump’s approach, however, isn’t about balance, it’s “my way or no way.” His version of trade means India opens up everything, while in return we only get relief from threats or punitive measures that shouldn’t exist in the first place. That is not partnership; that is economic arm-twisting.

The real debate, therefore, is not about Russian oil at all, it’s about whether India will defend its sovereignty and protect vital sectors of its economy, or roll out the red carpet for U.S. agribusiness and other lobbies at the cost of its farmers and industries.

A good video why Indian government don't want to give unrestricted access to US agri products and companies.
 
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The US offered to upgrade the comms & other systems a few years ago, we rejected the offer (read it a long time ago, so don't quote me on it). Unlike Stryker or delayed Apaches, this didn't gather much headlines.

On a separate note, IN's Romeos are of the same spec as the USN, and we selected all the optional extras on offer. I'm reasonably sure that the upcoming SeaGuardian and SkyGuardian drones will be of the same spec as their own.
The P-8I will need Link 16 if it is to fly in MUM-T mode with the incoming MQ-9Bs. Doubt the INs proprietary datalinks like Link 2 would be compatible. Pretty sure our MH-60Rs don't have Link 16 either.
 
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Again it's not about Russian oil. You are simply short sighted to think it's about Russian oil. Russian Oil is an excuse. There is much more to the current tension between Indian and USA than just Russian oil. USA wants India to go along with it by force. It wants India to follow the whims of Trump like opening up our market like Japan while getting nothing in return. Have you been even reading what Trump did to Japan and how the Japanese are reacting now? Russian oil is not the issue, the issue is that of sovereignty and protection of our market, agricultural sector, etc.

Do you want this to happen in India by laying red carpet to US agri industries?
Farmers are heavily pampered in india, no taxes, subsidiesed fertilizer and yet compensation for losses due to natur being naughty during harvesting. Still we saw what they have done to india when GOI tred to implement farm bill, which infact is a good thing for farmers. They wants only subsidies. So why to give again them everything on platter?
 
Farmers are heavily pampered in india, no taxes, subsidiesed fertilizer and yet compensation for losses due to natur being naughty during harvesting. Still we saw what they have done to india when GOI tred to implement farm bill, which infact is a good thing for farmers. They wants only subsidies. So why to give again them everything on platter?
Do you know US pampers it's farmer more than India? They do everything they accuse India about including subsidies and then white label by categorising it differently. US isn't running some free market agri sector either. And there are more issues to US agri than just them being more productive. Check that video I have shared.
 
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If you aren't in to IT sector, visibly no problem for ypu. As nation, we will go back to 1990s on ecenomocic terms.
If the country goes back to 1990 terms.. it's a problem for everyone, including non-IT people.

And it won't. Atleast understand the reason why I said it. All anyone of us wants is shift from foreign dependent service based model to creating IP and driven by domestic consumption model.

Just see the amount of softwares india uses which are made by foreign companies.. current market is not only enough for a software company to flourish but become a world competitor.

And it's not like Google, meta etc will be able to do business in india after such order of US govt. It won't be just an economic disaster but strategic disaster for USA. CIA and security agencies get huge advantages due to the tech stack of these companies. Even US govt can access analytics for their needs.

In a hypothetical case: If foreign companies are banned as retaliation, it leaves huge market open for software and It services. Will require more than slaving away young college grads and ask them to work for 70 hours a week and ignore their partners and family. Will require loosing purse strings for talent acquisition and skill development for R&D.
 
Do you know US pampers it's farmer more than India? They do everything they accuse India about including subsidies and then white label by categorising it differently. US isn't running some free market agri sector either. And there are more issues to US agri than just them being more productive. Check that video I have shared.
Yeas they are, but they dont take subsidy and protest blindly against US government, ours are. My question is why to defend such people by losing billions to our industry,who gives taxes to government and giving employment tonthe public. Tell me howmany of these foarmers are paying taxes to government?
 
Yes we do need it. When oil prices were soaring worldwide.. indian govt was able to stop rasie in oil prices by subsidising oil companies. It was due to the fiscal cushion these dollars provide us. What you describe is very short sighted.
Its like saying taxes gained from gst on cars should be invested for automobile sector and policies only. Or dollars gained from import duties.
It's 5 dollar per barrel which is huuuuge given our import dependence.

And then there's other things about maintaining relations with Russia who supplies our military with critical systems. Then there's about reputation of the nation. Not a party.
Bending down brings investor optimism down resulting in far reaching consequences like we saw during policy paralysis and corrupt era of UPA. Investments basically stopped due to scams, changing policies at whims of a coalition partner and bending in front of pressure etc.

And you are taking it way too simplistically thinking that US doesn't need india. It does. Have some self respect yaar. Be confident. Don't beholden our mentality to the whims of others. You're mistaken if you think that India doesn't have any leverage. What you see now is maturity in our policy. Not lack of leverage.
In this forum itself brute majority of members were in an opinion that US need india more than we need USA as the earlier one need a counterpart to have a check on China. And what did happened now.
If they want they can easily put a stop on IT outsourcing.
And people like the twitter handle will be more happy Trump's support will be ten folded.

Question is do we need Russian oil whrn margine is mere 5 dollars for such a huge loss of revenue for IT sector and the employment created in India? When this reduced price don't have any visible effect on fuel price in india

One more thing .. western rise and attraction after WW2 was attributed to LCD.. liberal capitalism and democracy. China's rise is giving them a harsh fact check. If the only big democracy in Asia pivots towards autocratic china and russia ( which we will 100% if out IT sector is threatened).. you can bet that west will start losing credibility at an accelerated pace than now. West is declining..

Things in geopolitics are never one dimensional. Stay strong brother.

IT sector is our strength and no one will take it away. We just need to redirect that strength to create more wealth inside india. No one's a friend. US isn't doing us any favor. Indians make India, not Americans or italians
Yeas they are, but they dont take subsidy and protest blindly against US government, ours are. My question is why to defend such people by losing billions to our industry,who gives taxes to government and giving employment tonthe public. Tell me howmany of these foarmers are paying taxes to government?

😅😅 Umm.. cause of votes? If elections were rational, india would be developed nations by now. And it's much to do with misinformation campaigns by vested interest rather than actual farmers opinion. I blame one family for it majorily.
 
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Yeas they are, but they dont take subsidy and protest blindly against US government, ours are. My question is why to defend such people by losing billions to our industry,who gives taxes to government and giving employment tonthe public. Tell me howmany of these foarmers are paying taxes to government?
Almost 86% of them supported farm reforms except a few vested political groups. Don't assume some politically backed activists represent farmers. Heck I would say farmer protest benefited USA and Canada more than anything. That is why you saw Tradeu and even some american politician openly supporting those protest. While brutally suppressing similar protests in Canada.


Reforms in the Indian agricultural sector are undoubtedly necessary—whether it’s modernizing farming techniques, improving supply chains, or ensuring better price realization for farmers. However, this does not mean that we should recklessly open up our agricultural markets in a way that leaves them vulnerable to being dominated by large-scale American agribusinesses. Over-exposure to heavily subsidized American agriculture could severely undercut our domestic farmers, many of whom operate on small and marginal landholdings.

India’s agriculture is not just an economic sector; it is a livelihood source for nearly half of our population and deeply intertwined with food security and rural stability. While trade and cooperation with the U.S. and other countries can bring benefits like technology transfer and improved productivity, it must be done with caution. Any reform should prioritize strengthening Indian farmers first, ensuring fair competition, and protecting the nation’s food sovereignty.

True reform should aim at making Indian agriculture more resilient, sustainable, and globally competitive, without sacrificing the interests of millions of small farmers at the altar of free-market liberalization. And even this so-called “liberalization” is not genuine, because the U.S. itself shields its agriculture with massive subsidies and protective measures while preaching openness to others.

Now its upto you to think about the long term bad consequences of opening agricultural market without any restriction to USA? Hint: It will cause everything you said tariffs will do.
 
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If you aren't in to IT sector, visibly no problem for ypu. As nation, we will go back to 1990s on ecenomocic terms.
we have moved beyond 1990, there will be some impact but remember IT sector damaged India's manufacturing Industry. A reset needs to happen which will help us manufacture more goods inside the country and real estate correction will take place, this will actually help significant population of the country rather than a just a few percent as in case of IT sector.

IT should be just one of our sectors , it should not become "the" thing that defines our industry. High time it happens now than later.