India says BBC documentary on India PM Modi is "propaganda"

[Rajput Lion]

First they're Nazis, then they've been thrown into the meat grinder. It's a sovereign nation with an elected leader. Your 'stand' indicates that you wouldn't even know which way up the truth is, on any issue.

We don't support this or any war as our Prime-Minister categorically said. But we understand why Russia is fighting and why a Russian victory is important for our future. We are just being pragmatic about this war. That's it. If it pisses off you(UK) or @Innominate (US), then so be it. We don't care.

As for Ukraine being a sovereign nation! Well Zelensky is an American puppet. Everyone knows it. He has led his country towards an unwarranted war and eternal ruins. All courtesy of US and UK.

Russia will be bankrupt after this war unless they leave Ukraine. The sanctions will remain in place until they leave, even if they win, which seems very unlikely at this point.

Keep on dreaming. They will definitely weaken, but will still survive. Russians are brave people not cowards who fight their battle by putting someone else in front, like you guys.

 

[randomradio]

That's not what direct extrapolation tells us, you know, the same kind of direct extrapolation you used on the Japanese numbers. Have you even been to Tokyo? It's overcrowded. A small reduction in population would probably improve the economy.

India sees 24 million births and 10 million deaths. It's gonna take half a century for deaths to exceed births. Population is not difficult to extrapolate, it's a gradual shift. All fo that and overcrowded are not the same, lol.

Just facts.

Global Hunger Index Scores by 2023 GHI Rank

Note: As always, rankings and index scores from this table cannot be accurately compared to rankings and index scores from previous reports.

www.globalhungerindex.org

India

With a score of 28.7 in the 2023 Global Hunger Index, India has a level of hunger that is serious.

www.globalhungerindex.org

Hindrise is a Non-Profit Organization Focusing on Poverty & Education

Hindrise Foundation is doing this through working on comprehensive projects in health, education, livelihoods and disaster preparedness and response. Our goal is to stand with the poor, listening to voices unheard, and recognizing potential where others see forlornness.

hindrise.org

Good. Now believe those figures and make a sizable donation to an NGO in India.

Seems to me you have just rebranded famine as malnutrition.

 

[BMD]

India sees 24 million births and 10 million deaths. It's gonna take half a century for deaths to exceed births. Population is not difficult to extrapolate, it's a gradual shift. All fo that and overcrowded are not the same, lol.

There's a problem with trying to extrapolate a statistic that comes from millions of complex interactions. Extrapolating even something a simple as a share price won't always yield good predictions, so trying to extrapolate something as complicated as reproduction and death is something that only a complete imbecile would attempt.

Good. Now believe those figures and make a sizable donation to an NGO in India.

Why would I care? You're a net exporter of grain and have a space program and nuclear weapons, if you actually wanted them fed you could do it yourselves.

Seriously, it's like the Labour Party in the UK. New Labour, Old Labour, still labour.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Why would I care? You're a net exporter of grain and have a space program and nuclear weapons, if you actually wanted them fed you could do it yourselves.

If you aren't bothered why are you wasting your time & ours but commenting on this thread. Restrict yourself to the spam thread on the Ukraine war.

 

[randomradio]

There's a problem with trying to extrapolate a statistic that comes from millions of complex interactions. Extrapolating even something a simple as a share price won't always yield good predictions, so trying to extrapolate something as complicated as reproduction and death is something that only a complete imbecile would attempt.

As long as the base data is correct, it's very easy to extrapolate population growth. India's demographics has been pretty simple and straightforward for many decades now, so we know what's in store for us in the future as well. Unlike China or the West, we haven't done stupid sh!t that has changed our civilisational rules.

Here's proof:

https://pure.iiasa.ac.at/id/eprint/727/1/WP-77-007.pdf

A UN projection from 1976 said India will have a billion people in 2000.

'I gave birth to India's billionth baby'

In May 2000, India's billionth citizen was born. The baby's mother, Anjana Arora, spoke to Witness about the day .

www.bbc.com

On 11th May 2000, India's population officially reached 1 billion people with the birth of a baby girl.

Pretty accurate for a 30-year study.

Guess what? India's end-of-the-year population for 2000 was... you guessed it, 1059 million.

It's actually an insanely accurate prediction.

The reason is simple, it's a generation, ie, the next step. It's easy to predict population growth across 1 or even 2 generations, ie the next 50 years.

Why would I care? You're a net exporter of grain and have a space program and nuclear weapons, if you actually wanted them fed you could do it yourselves.

We do feed them, which is why we don't have starvation.

 

[BMD]

As long as the base data is correct, it's very easy to extrapolate population growth. India's demographics has been pretty simple and straightforward for many decades now, so we know what's in store for us in the future as well. Unlike China or the West, we haven't done stupid sh!t that has changed our civilisational rules.

Here's proof:

https://pure.iiasa.ac.at/id/eprint/727/1/WP-77-007.pdf

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A UN projection from 1976 said India will have a billion people in 2000.

'I gave birth to India's billionth baby'

In May 2000, India's billionth citizen was born. The baby's mother, Anjana Arora, spoke to Witness about the day .

www.bbc.com

On 11th May 2000, India's population officially reached 1 billion people with the birth of a baby girl.

Pretty accurate for a 30-year study.

Guess what? India's end-of-the-year population for 2000 was... you guessed it, 1059 million.
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It's actually an insanely accurate prediction.

The reason is simple, it's a generation, ie, the next step. It's easy to predict population growth across 1 or even 2 generations, ie the next 50 years.



We do feed them, which is why we don't have starvation.

 

[BMD]

As long as the base data is correct, it's very easy to extrapolate population growth. India's demographics has been pretty simple and straightforward for many decades now, so we know what's in store for us in the future as well. Unlike China or the West, we haven't done stupid sh!t that has changed our civilisational rules.

They haven't though, because you went from 0.3bn to 1.3bn in 60 years and then only rose ~75m in the last 15 years.

A UN projection from 1976 said India will have a billion people in 2000.

'I gave birth to India's billionth baby'

In May 2000, India's billionth citizen was born. The baby's mother, Anjana Arora, spoke to Witness about the day .

www.bbc.com

On 11th May 2000, India's population officially reached 1 billion people with the birth of a baby girl.

Pretty accurate for a 30-year study.

Yeah, only off by 60m and given that it started at only ~637m, they predicted a rise of 363m and were off by ~16-17%. So no, not really.

Here's proof:

https://pure.iiasa.ac.at/id/eprint/727/1/WP-77-007.pdf

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If I look at Indonesia say, I get a completely different started value for instance of 115m and your table predicts a 119m rise, but actually it was only 99m. So that's over 20%, which is 20m. Therefore I rest my case.

Indonesia Population 1950-2024

Chart and table of Indonesia population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

I can even tell you how the mistake was made. They're using the second derivative of the graph to make predictions about future growth changes, when the second derivative changes, it messes up all their predictions.

Guess what? India's end-of-the-year population for 2000 was... you guessed it, 1059 million.
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Still wrong by 17%. And that's looking at a period where the growth was stable, before the sudden change around 2010. Equally the period before 1933 shows a completely different trend.

It's actually an insanely accurate prediction.

Nope.

The reason is simple, it's a generation, ie, the next step. It's easy to predict population growth across 1 or even 2 generations, ie the next 50 years.



We do feed them, which is why we don't have starvation.

You call it 'malnutrition' now, that's why you don't have starvation. It's a bit like not having road traffic 'accidents' because you started calling them road traffic 'incidents.'

 

[randomradio]

If I look at Indonesia say, I get a completely different started value for instance of 115m and your table predicts a 119m rise, but actually it was only 99m. So that's over 20%, which is 20m. Therefore I rest my case.

Lol, as I said it's about data collection, and India does a good job of it. Who cares about other countries and their shitty surveys. All that matters is India's population data is easily extrapolated because we get good data and we don't screw around unnecessarily with lame policies like woke culture or restricting population growth artificially. Hence the insane accuracy of UN studies.

You do realise all these groups rely on data collected by their respective govts right?

You call it 'malnutrition' now, that's why you don't have starvation. It's a bit like not having road traffic 'accidents' because you started calling them road traffic 'incidents.'

Nope. We lack proteins 'cause it's expensive. Not everybody can afford it. That's all.

 

[BMD]

Lol, as I said it's about data collection, and India does a good job of it. Who cares about other countries and their shitty surveys. All that matters is India's population data is easily extrapolated because we get good data and we don't screw around unnecessarily with lame policies like woke culture or restricting population growth artificially. Hence the insane accuracy of UN studies.
You do realise all these groups rely on data collected by their respective govts right?

Yours is off by 17% and 60m, so hardly much better. It's just guesswork, and the people dying in Japan are OAPs, so it's actually better for the economy.

Nope. We lack proteins 'cause it's expensive. Not everybody can afford it. That's all.

Yeah, it's called starvation.

 

[SammyBoi]

You call it 'malnutrition' now, that's why you don't have starvation. It's a bit like not having road traffic 'accidents' because you started calling them road traffic 'incidents.'

Is it also a bit like British ladies not getting sexually "abused" or "raped" because you started calling them being "groomed"? @BMD

Yeah, it's called starvation.

Definitions of the terms:
1. Starvation - suffering or death caused by lack of food itself.

2. Malnutrition - lack of proper nutrition in food intake, caused by not having enough to eat, not eating enough of the right things, or being unable to use the food that one does eat

Anyone with minimal common sense would understand the difference. Though I don't expect the Bri'ish to be good at anything they themselves are the progenitors of - football, cricket or English....

 

[BMD]

Is it also a bit like British ladies not getting sexually "abused" or "raped" because you started calling them being "groomed"? @BMD

It's still called 'rape,' 'grooming' is the part that such people do prior to rape. I heard they skip that bit of Delhi buses though.

 

[SammyBoi]

I heard they skip that bit of Delhi buses though

Hmmm.... here at least the victim gets justice - the perpetrators are nabbed and sentenced to life-imprisonment or capital punishment....

Again, not something I'd expect in the despairing remnants of the British Empire:

Man in UK let off rape because 'Muslim upbringing did not teach him to respect women' - The Student Room

Islamic preacher, 67, who raped girl avoids jail due to his dementia

Khandaker Mohammed Rahman, 67, went unpunished for 13 years after his victim stopped attending the religious centre in South Wales in a bid to escape his clutches.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Good luck becoming part of their resurgent 'Caliphate'....

 

[randomradio]

Yours is off by 17% and 60m, so hardly much better. It's just guesswork, and the people dying in Japan are OAPs, so it's actually better for the economy.

What on earth are you talking about? It was accurate to the last million. 1059 million vs 1059.6 million actual.

Yeah, it's called starvation.

So not eating proteins, but everything else is starvation. Yeah, dude, every day you prove yourself to be a colonial apologist.

 

[BMD]

What on earth are you talking about? It was accurate to the last million. 1059 million vs 1059.6 million actual.

That's discrimination bias. Out of all the results, that's the only one inside 10%.

So not eating proteins, but everything else is starvation. Yeah, dude, every day you prove yourself to be a colonial apologist.

It's called starvation. Saying, "but they had plenty of shit to eat," does not make it malnutrition.

Hmmm.... here at least the victim gets justice - the perpetrators are nabbed and sentenced to life-imprisonment or capital punishment....

Again, not something I'd expect in the despairing remnants of the British Empire:

Man in UK let off rape because 'Muslim upbringing did not teach him to respect women' - The Student Room

Islamic preacher, 67, who raped girl avoids jail due to his dementia

Khandaker Mohammed Rahman, 67, went unpunished for 13 years after his victim stopped attending the religious centre in South Wales in a bid to escape his clutches.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Good luck becoming part of their resurgent 'Caliphate'....

And?

Rotherham grooming gang: seven men guilty of sexual offences

Group targeted five vulnerable teenage girls, using drugs and alcohol to abuse them

www.theguardian.com

 

[randomradio]

That's discrimination bias. Out of all the results, that's the only one inside 10%.

It's called starvation. Saying, "but they had plenty of shit to eat," does not make it malnutrition.

And?

Rotherham grooming gang: seven men guilty of sexual offences

Group targeted five vulnerable teenage girls, using drugs and alcohol to abuse them

www.theguardian.com

You're an idiot. How the hell is 1059 vs 1059 a 10% difference?

Even the other figures are just a few millions off, rounding errors basically.

 

[Hydra]

People in west thinks that Modi's popularity will diminish if they portrayed him as the culprit behind Gujrat riot. Seriously they dont know the mentality of us.

 

[_Anonymous_]

It's called starvation. Saying, "but they had plenty of shit to eat," does not make it malnutrition.

TOI





Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar


Oct 29, 2022, 22:13 IST


/India-Nation


Many institutions and NGOs wrongly conflate hunger with malnourishment. Stunting and anaemia can be high even among the rich


India has little hunger but substantial child malnutrition. That simple truth is obfuscated by the Global Hunger Index (GHI), prepared by European NGOs, showing India falling from 101st to 107th of 123 countries in 2022, among the hungriest. This cannot be true since 75% of rural and 50% of urban families get 35 kg of grain per month at just Rs 2-3/kg. Tamil Nadu gives 35 kg of rice free. No country does better.


GHI does not measure hunger, yet calls itself a hunger index to sensationalise matters. This makes headlines but is statistical garbage.


Instead of asking people if they are hungry, the GHI uses four other measures. Three concern child malnutrition — stunting, wasting, and under-five mortality. The fourth is food security, derived from Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) estimates that ignore India’s free feeding scheme after Covid.


An index that mainly measures the condition of under-5 children is simply not a measure of national hunger. Besides, two-thirds of child mortality relates to those dying in their first year. The cause would overwhelmingly be disease and neglect, not hunger. So why include this in a hunger index?


GHI may say most countries don’t publish data on hunger, so proxies (like stunting) are necessary. However, their proxies are highly misleading, as India’s hunger data shows.





National Sample Survey Office (NSSO) surveys over decades asked if people were hungry in any month. In 1983, only 18.9% said they were ever hungry. This embarrassed the government whose poverty ratio, supposedly reflecting minimum calorie requirements, was twice as high. So, the NSSO dropped the question in its next survey! That caused an uproar. The question was reinstated in a slightly different form.


India’s hunger ratio fell in 1993-94 to 5.5% in rural and 1.9% in urban areas, and further in 2004-05 to 2.6% in rural and 0.6% in urban areas. This was so close to zero that the NSSO stopped asking the question.


Clearly poverty and hunger are very different. India’s poverty ratio was 25% when its hunger ratio was barely 3%.
Based on international standards, the government poverty line was linked to consumption of 2,400 calories in rural and 2,200 calories in urban areas. NSSO surveys showed that calorie intake came down from 2,266 calories in 1972-73 in rural areas to 2,221 calories in the 1980s, below the 2,400-calorie norm.


Similarly, in urban areas calorie intake declined from 2,107 in 1972-73 to 2,089 calories in 1983. With rising incomes, people switched from quantity to quality — from cereals to proteins — and to non-food items like cycles and TVs. In effect, they self-declared, they were no longer hungry at 2100 calories. The NGOs imply people don’t know they are hungry. What arrogance!





Top economists (Deaton, Dreze, Hanumantha Rao, Mahendra Dev) showed that with mechanisation of work and motorisation of transport, people needed far fewer calories per day. This finding was not used to adjust the poverty benchmark, a serious error. Alarmists exploit this.


Many institutions and NGOs wrongly conflate hunger with malnourishment. Obesity is malnutrition but is not hunger. Fat people are often hungry but are not underfed. NGOs call malnourishment “hidden hunger”. That is misleading rhetoric. Hunger can be met by additional calories while malnutrition requires different remedies.


Demographer Sonalde Desai has castigated GHI’s measure of calorie insufficiency, based on a highly unsatisfactory Gallup poll of 3,000 people. Little is known about the poll’s representativeness. Desai says stunting and anaemia are high even in the richest 40%, so clearly malnutrition is not hunger.


Demographers Monica Dasgupta and Dean Spears have shown that substantial calories are diverted to fight diarrhoea and other diseases, reducing calorie absorption. This could explain why people who eat enough may nevertheless be under-nourished. Better public health and sanitation are solutions. I am puzzled that government efforts — nutritional education, targeted feeding of pregnant mothers and children, Swachh Bharat, the new piped water scheme — have had so little impact on child size.


Former Niti Aayog chief Arvind Panagariya says FAO standards are irrelevant and India should devise its own standards. He says by FAO standards stunting in Kerala, India’s best state, is worse than in Senegal, but that is simply not credible for such a rich, educated state. Maybe shortness is a genetic Indian feature taking generations to improve.


However, stunting has fallen much faster in other developing countries. We face a nutritional puzzle. Experts think the answer lies in better mothers’ education, sanitation, anganwadi feeding of pregnant mothers and young children. Such programmes have expanded rapidly in India and should have had a substantial impact. That has not happened.


Experts say more of the same will do the job. I suspect the issues are more complex and need more research.
However, we know for certain that child malnutrition is totally different from national hunger. Let’s pour contempt on indices that confuse the two.

What good is a Hunger Index that does not measure hunger? | India News - Times of India


Pls book mark this post , Paddy so that the next time you come with the same garbage , we don't have to trouble ourselves coming up with facts to rebut your article.

 

[_Anonymous_]

1/4 children are missing a meal in the UK every day . All this within less than a century of losing their empire. Now this is one of the richest nations on the face of the earth we're talking about & Paddy here has the gall to comment on malnutrition in India . @BMD

Millions forced to skip meals as UK cost of living crisis deepens

More people – including children – going hungry than during first weeks of Covid lockdown, new data shows

www.theguardian.com

NGO's in the west won't exactly highlight this piece of statistic as it doesn't fetch them donations , Paddy. @BMD

 

[BMD]

You're an idiot. How the hell is 1059 vs 1059 a 10% difference?

Even the other figures are just a few millions off, rounding errors basically.

Further examination shows that you are the idiot. You presented a table showing 1059m in 2000. Then you link an article reading:

'I gave birth to India's billionth baby'

In May 2000, India's billionth citizen was born. The baby's mother, Anjana Arora, spoke to Witness about the day .

www.bbc.com

On 11th May 2000, India's population officially reached 1 billion people with the birth of a baby girl.

Then you link a graph that says 1059.6m at the side.

So the variation in the count even shows a margin of 16.4% measured against the predicted rise of 363m from 1976 date of the study, when the population was 637m according to this source.

India Population 1950-2024

Chart and table of India population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

So who's to say the original count didn't also have a variation of 17%? Referring to the same source above, it too was off by 14.5m for 1970. Maybe enough mistakes were made to cancel each other out in this one case. For all the rest of the countries quoted the prediction is off by a double digit percentage based on the predicted increase.

The other figures are not off by only a few percent. For Indonesia the initial figure of 119m was even off by 4m. The predicted rise was also 119m, the actual rise was 99m. That's 20% difference in projected increase vs actual.

Indonesia Population 1950-2024

Chart and table of Indonesia population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

For Japan they predicted a rise of 29m, the actual rise was 21m. So they were wrong by only 40 f#cking percent last time eh.

Japan Population Growth Rate 1950-2024

Chart and table of Japan population from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

Dude, give up at maths and stick to licking your elbow.

Here's proof:

https://pure.iiasa.ac.at/id/eprint/727/1/WP-77-007.pdf

View attachment 26132

A UN projection from 1976 said India will have a billion people in 2000.

'I gave birth to India's billionth baby'

In May 2000, India's billionth citizen was born. The baby's mother, Anjana Arora, spoke to Witness about the day .

www.bbc.com

On 11th May 2000, India's population officially reached 1 billion people with the birth of a baby girl.

Pretty accurate for a 30-year study.

Guess what? India's end-of-the-year population for 2000 was... you guessed it, 1059 million.
View attachment 26133

 

[_Anonymous_]

Another sterling example of RST choosing the wrong weapons to do battle , tying himself in knots & being beaten to pulp by Paddy of all people . Previously I recall RST choosing Freedom House Index ratings to debate Paddy on why Ukraine wasn't considered a democracy with similar results when Paddy of all people actually interpreted the data to show India's standing in it. With friends like these who needs enemies.