India - Pakistan Diplomatic Ties

Disagree. Disagree strongly. Sardar Patels aid V.P Menon was instrumental in uniting India, without him I don't think many territories would have been part of India. Kerala has given a lot of critical people, ISRO was full of Kerala people from a long time, leave ISRO, DRDO RCI was/is full of Kerala people, our Agni 5 director was Mallu Christian. They have given a lot of brilliant strategists too like Brahma Chellaney. Imo, Kerala people have contributed more than Gujaratis or so called asset creating people. Anyone can make money, to gain knowledge and apply it is hard. I don't see as many Gujaratis or even other Indians as much as Kerala and Tamil people in our nuclear programme or missile/rocket programme.

Lots of Punjabis in army and industry but they run away and try to enter US illegally in droves. @Hydra is just a lone person, he's not indicative of Kerala people.
If this is the case..then I am changing my opinion a little..thank you. I too see Brahma chellany as a very strong character and brilliant strategist.i had formed this opinion after seeing them on twitter and quora. But I still feel compared to education/literacy they boast about since pre independence era(basically they have base of around 80 years)... their contribution could have lot bigger...think of bengal during of national movement....I wanted them to play similar role for some time especially duing 90s When other states were still lagging...anyway thank you.
And that same foreign ally partner hydra is giving credit for Japan's growth also played a part in collapsing their economy because it felt threatened that Japan would economically surpass them. What a great ally. There have been multiple experts from both US and Japan who on camera have said that US had a lot of its hand on the economic crisis of Japan..

Wow ...so much for being an ally..
 
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If this is the case..then I am changing my opinion a little..thank you. I too see Brahma chellany as a very strong character and brilliant strategist.i had formed this opinion after seeing them on twitter and quora. But I still feel compared to education/literacy they boast about since pre independence era(basically they have base of around 80 years)... their contribution could have lot bigger...think of bengal during of national movement....I wanted them to play similar role for some time especially duing 90s When other states were still lagging...anyway thank you.

Wow ...so much for being an ally..
Kerala literacy before independence was poor AFAIK much poorer than Bengal, despite that it gave so much of our nuclear and rocket engineers. Same with Tamil Nadu (Abdul Kalam!!!). Both were behind Bengal in education on eve of Independence but now, the difference is opposite on contribution and education.
 
Disagree. Disagree strongly. Sardar Patels aid V.P Menon was instrumental in uniting India, without him I don't think many territories would have been part of India. Kerala has given a lot of critical people, ISRO was full of Kerala people from a long time, leave ISRO, DRDO RCI was/is full of Kerala people, our Agni 5 director was Mallu Christian. They have given a lot of brilliant strategists too like Brahma Chellaney. Imo, Kerala people have contributed more than Gujaratis or so called asset creating people. Anyone can make money, to gain knowledge and apply it is hard. I don't see as many Gujaratis or even other Indians as much as Kerala and Tamil people in our nuclear programme or missile/rocket programme.

Lots of Punjabis in army and industry but they run away and try to enter US illegally in droves. @Hydra is just a lone person, he's not indicative of Kerala people.
Let us not go into which state has contributed how much debate please. Nothing good ever comes from it. Each state had briliant people who contributed appropriately to the nation in their respective fields. Gujarat also gave us two gems Dr. Vikram Sarabhai and Dr. Homi Jahangir Bhava. There have been enough briliant folks Gujarati as well as other Indians working in PLR. Also those capital makers are also very important. I would disagree with you that anyone could just make money. You need certain kind of atmosphere for business to flourish. There is reason those guys can just get into business in any part of India. Gujaratis have that culture within their family, rest of the India doesn't have that unfortunately or have lost it thanks to circumstances.
 
And that same foreign ally partner hydra is giving credit for Japan's growth also played a part in collapsing their economy because it felt threatened that Japan would economically surpass them. What a great ally. There have been multiple experts from both US and Japan who on camera have said that US had a lot of its hand on the economic crisis of Japan..

That guy Hydra also cherry picks Japan and Korea, he ignores those Latin American countries like Chile which had a US aligned dictator who ordered people who opposed him to be r*ped by dogs (true story!!!!). We all know the status of these countries now lol. They may be richer (barely) than India in per capita but their infrastructure, technology, political stability, economic growth etc is far far below India.

@Hydra reach about Pinochets Chile.
 
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Let us not go into which state has contributed how much debate please. Nothing good ever comes from it. Each state had briliant people who contributed appropriately to the nation in their respective fields. Gujarat also gave us two gems Dr. Vikram Sarabhai and Dr. Homi Jahangir Bhava. There have been enough briliant folks Gujarati as well as other Indians working in PLR. Also those capital makers are also very important. I would disagree with you that anyone could just make money. You need certain kind of atmosphere for business to flourish. There is reason those guys can just get into business in any part of India. Gujaratis have that culture within their family, rest of the India doesn't have that unfortunately or have lost it thanks to circumstances.
The context of money was that, there are many countries which made money, but they suck at tech. Look at those Arab countries, they have so much money, yet they cant even produce a ballistic missile, something which even those starving North Koreans can do. Of course creating industry and employment is very difficult which Gujaratis and Marwaris among others have done very well for India despite India being unfriendly for buisness even now.
 
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Completely different case for Japan they fought and lost the war against US, and were still an industrialized country with near complete mobilization which US cannot subdue beyond a costly main island invasion. The best US can do is co-opt it into its sphere than let Japan be too weakened to be in Soviet sphere like East Germans.
Korea is too small to be mattered even if it became a tech powerhouse(which it became) and also again, the geography of the korean peninsula offered a strategic reach near the core Chinese territory and also near Far East region of Soviet/Russia for US to let if fall.

India has neither attributes (neither fought war against US and there is a chance of joining Soviets in coldwar nor too small like korea), and even before us pakees offered everything including allowing U-2 spy planes to fly into USSR etc and even they regretted the wh0ring they did for US when US stopped weapons supply in 1965 because they did not want India to be completely under Soviets. So, it is hopium to think US would support us against pakees if we were an US ally, because of multiple reasons like 1) pakees are good candidate to box us in, else we would focus more on Indian Ocean which US, like british before won't want us do. 2) pakees have utility in poking russia, even china or Eurasian heartland in general. 3) other mohemmadan allies of US like gulf and even iran would pressure US to help pakees and restrain us if India (an US ally) would kurb stomp them US weapons as @Hydra desperately hopes to do.
I mean see, turkey-greece (both US allies) that would be us.

It is not to say being US ally is not beneficial materially especially in coldwar era, infact many US allies benefited with american largesse including pakees like US funded and built the whole canal system for them in 20th century after British built the one before for them. They also gave grains, weapons etc, trained them freely etc. It is just that pakeed were too stupid and not at the level like south koreans to use it for their benefit.
For all its shenanigans, the US can never ditch us completely for Pak. China is too deeply entrenched in Pak today. Practically owns half the country. One reason why Pak hopes to play peacemaker between the two superpowers is to try and wean the Americans from India.

Trump may be loosening export controls on chip sales to China but that's only because China has found ways to circumvent the ban via third countries and China's own tech has advanced significantly. US companies would have just lost money by refusing to sell. But, Trump wants to take on China in the Indo-Pac in a big way. Golden Dome is one part of that strategy (shield) while a rapid expansion of the USN is the other (sword).

Despite the USN being stretched thin, they will have to defend Taiwan from a PLA invasion or NATO/Japan/SoKo ties will unravel. Except India, no other country in this part of the world can risk standing against China. Without logistics and maintenance facilities in India, the USN would find it hard to sustain ops. The US might also want us to deploy forces on the LAC to put pressure on the CCP in the middle of a potential Taiwan invasion.

After Trudeau's departure, they have reigned in Canada's Khalistan antics (forced Carney to invite Modi to G7) and are prepping a 10 year defense pact. Like some EU countries, they may be looking at India as an alternate source for 155mm arty casings, etc. The key is to communicate clearly what our redlines are (wrt Pak, Bangladesh, Manipur, Myanmar, China) and double down in areas where there's some convergence like Tibet/DL succession, countering OBOR via IMEEC, etc. We need to play the democracy card and show them why we're not the 'enemy' as one UK journalist recently wrote.

This is a test of Modi's strategic acumen and statesmanship. Let's hope he aces it.
 
Hopefully this means they wean away from the dragon enough that they don't get J35, or at the very least they get a highly degraded version of J35 closer to FC31.
They never said that they need j35. I think they knew j35 is a flying sh!t.

 
They never said that they need j35. I think they knew j35 is a flying sh!t.

I for one am really happy Pakistan is getting closer and closer to Amreeka, this makes Chinese sales of these weapons all the more unlikely.
For all its shenanigans, the US can never ditch us completely for Pak. China is too deeply entrenched in Pak today. Practically owns half the country. One reason why Pak hopes to play peacemaker between the two superpowers is to try and wean the Americans from India.

Trump may be loosening export controls on chip sales to China but that's only because China has found ways to circumvent the ban via third countries and China's own tech has advanced significantly. US companies would have just lost money by refusing to sell. But, Trump wants to take on China in the Indo-Pac in a big way. Golden Dome is one part of that strategy (shield) while a rapid expansion of the USN is the other (sword).

Despite the USN being stretched thin, they will have to defend Taiwan from a PLA invasion or NATO/Japan/SoKo ties will unravel. Except India, no other country in this part of the world can risk standing against China. Without logistics and maintenance facilities in India, the USN would find it hard to sustain ops. The US might also want us to deploy forces on the LAC to put pressure on the CCP in the middle of a potential Taiwan invasion.

After Trudeau's departure, they have reigned in Canada's Khalistan antics (forced Carney to invite Modi to G7) and are prepping a 10 year defense pact. Like some EU countries, they may be looking at India as an alternate source for 155mm arty casings, etc. The key is to communicate clearly what our redlines are (wrt Pak, Bangladesh, Manipur, Myanmar, China) and double down in areas where there's some convergence like Tibet/DL succession, countering OBOR via IMEEC, etc. We need to play the democracy card and show them why we're not the 'enemy' as one UK journalist recently wrote.

This is a test of Modi's strategic acumen and statesmanship. Let's hope he aces it.
If US does nothing when China invades Taiwan, Japan and Korea will 100% get nukes before the year ends.
 
I for one am really happy Pakistan is getting closer and closer to Amreeka, this makes Chinese sales of these weapons all the more unlikely.

If US does nothing when China invades Taiwan, Japan and Korea will 100% get nukes before the year ends.
US mad a punny nation to stand against a Goliath, Russia for the last three years. Let it sink in.
 
US mad a punny nation to stand against a Goliath, Russia for the last three years. Let it sink in.
1.you should think about why this war was started at first place.
2.US is not some moral and ethic based nation that will always come to the defence of its ally when attacked.
3.it always and always looks for its own interest which makes their stance/position wrt you change which may not be friendly towards you when time and situation demand which makes it a highly unpredictable nation.
4.US is not fighting for Ukraine...its aim is not to save Ukraine.... rather it's to make Russia a weaker country.. again US interest ....
5.if US were to save Ukraine... Ukraine wouldn't have turned into a war torn nation.
6. Apply all these points on India against its enemy.

I hope your restlessness about getting allied with US will get some peace....
 
The Pakistanis have sold the Reko Diq mine first to the Argentinians, then Chinese, then Canadians and now to America. And none of the previous owners have been able to extract anything since the mines are in Balochi land who are tired of the Pakistani army looting their natural resources (see: natural gas). If the Balochis can keep the Pakistanis tied down looking westward, that would be a win for India!

And the Chinese must be going ballistic right now that Reko Diq/CPEC and their BRI dreams are about to be flushed down the toilet by the double-crossing Pakistanis!
 
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1.you should think about why this war was started at first place.
2.US is not some moral and ethic based nation that will always come to the defence of its ally when attacked.
3.it always and always looks for its own interest which makes their stance/position wrt you change which may not be friendly towards you when time and situation demand which makes it a highly unpredictable nation.
4.US is not fighting for Ukraine...its aim is not to save Ukraine.... rather it's to make Russia a weaker country.. again US interest ....
5.if US were to save Ukraine... Ukraine wouldn't have turned into a war torn nation.
6. Apply all these points on India against its enemy.

I hope your restlessness about getting allied with US will get some peace....
Point is US made Ukraine stand against a behemoth like Russia for last 3 years. I am not talking who is wrong or right, why it started etc in that war. What i am saying US made Ukrain apunny nation to stand against Russians, says everything about US weapon quality, money power.

We are no where near to Russia when comes to defense, and Ukraine is no where near to Pak too. Imagine Pak getting the support from US thevway Ukraine is getting. We should never let that happen.
 
I hope your restlessness about getting allied with US will get some peace....
I am not here for peace. I want our soldiers to have quality weapons, i dont want my nation to get embarrassed infront world as happened on 27 feb 2019. I dont want my country to stand still if another galwan happens. Most important I want my country to recapture pok and open gateway to rich central Asia.

Without US, yeas we can acheive those objrctives if we spend like poland on defense for next decade. But with US on pak side, noway we achieve these, no matter how hard we modernize the military.
 
We are no where near to Russia when comes to defense
That's because we are not serious about our own R&D in defence, ourselves..our nation... otherwise Kaveri should have continued to get founded keeping Tejas mid life upgrade in mind...AMCA would not have got so long to get cleared by CCS...MMRCA drama would have been concluded... procurement process would have been simplified...when problem exist internally why look for solution outside..?