Opinion Explosive power of Brahmos

[safriz]

The heaviest version of Brahmos the Land attack version weighs 3 tons at the time of launch. Much of this weight is fuel which will be consumed in flight.
At impact on target we assume that the missile has consumed 1 ton of fuel and weighs 2 tons and impacts at maximum speed of mach 3 or 1020.87 meters per second.
The above assumptions give us kinetic energy on impact as follows.


Now converting that kinetic energy into equivalent of TNT gives us the following figures.



Based on above calculations, the impact of Brahmos with the target will produce 250 kilos TNT equivalent explosion. Then the warhead the missile carries is 200 kilos for land attack version.
That's total explosion of 250+200 = 450 kilos of TNT.

 

[safriz]

In comparison a Babur cruise missile at sub sonic speeds carries much heavier warhed of 450 Kg.

So the explosive power of a Babur cruise missile is equivalent or higher than Brahmos despite difference in speed.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

In comparison a Babur cruise missile at sub sonic speeds carries much heavier warhed of 450 Kg.

So the explosive power of a Babur cruise missile is equivalent or higher than Brahmos despite difference in speed.

Let's wait for some experts to weigh in before deriving conclusions, Babur is very vulnerable to be shot down due to low speed.

 

[Indx]

What is this? Sialkoti Physics?

Unfortunately that's not how it works @safriz

Assume that both the missiles have completely exhausted their fuel upon reaching the target and only mass is that of the warhead so

KE for Brahmos with 200 KG warhead will be KE = 105884000 J
KE for Babur with 450 KG warhead will be KE = 12531600 J

Thats a difference of 93352400 J

Combine that with the Armour Piercing Nature of the Brahmos warhead , it is designed to penetrate deep into the ships hull and then explode , completely ripping the ship from inside, it's just like how if you put a firecracker on top of your hand it will leave a nasty burn/ wound on your hand, but hold that same firecracker in your hand and close your fist around it , your ammi will be opening the jar of pickles for you , for the rest of your life.

Thats on top of the fact Babur is most likely to be shot down since its way too slow that is if any of the old , rusty pakistani vessel is alive to be even launching anything , they all will be taken down before they even know what hit them, only thing those antiquated dingy boats will be launching are SOS Flares.

 

[screambowl]

@safriz
This is not even physics, it's simple addition subtraction maths even that you can't do it properly.

 

[safriz]

What is this? Sialkoti Physics?

Unfortunately that's not how it works @safriz

, your ammi will be opening the jar of pickles for you , for the rest of your life.

Thats on top of the fact Babur is most likely to be shot down since its way too slow that is if any of the old , rusty pakistani vessel is alive to be even launching anything , they all will be taken down before they even know what hit them, only thing those antiquated dingy boats will be launching are SOS Flares.

And your ammi will be washing your soiled dhoti for the rest of your life ?
Is Brahmos the name of your Pitaa jii? Why go personal on a fukin missile?
About the rest of your krap post. The missile does not eject empty stages or engine. In fact the engine is functional all the way to the target,and it is along with the casing a very heavy part of the missile. Not adding that mass in your calculation is just wrong. The missile hits target with 1.5-2 tons of mass , not just 200 Kg.
Anyway am out of this thread, you guys can masturbate each other about your Brahmos. Bye

 

[RATHORE]

What is this? Sialkoti Physics?

Dead from laughing. Dr. Abdus Salaam would probably be turning in his grave if he saw this shit. ​

 

[screambowl]

And your ammi will be washing your soiled dhoti for the rest of your life ?
Is Brahmos the name of your Pitaa jii? Why go personal on a fukin missile?
About the rest of your krap post. The missile does not eject empty stages or engine. In fact the engine is functional all the way to the target,and it is along with the casing a very heavy part of the missile. Not adding that mass in your calculation is just wrong. The missile hits target with 1.5-2 tons of mass , not just 200 Kg.
Anyway am out of this thread, you guys can masturbate each other about your Brahmos. Bye

Better for you that you leave this thread.

Apki le li gayi hai buri tarah
Sialkoti Physics

 

[_Anonymous_]

And your ammi will be washing your soiled dhoti for the rest of your life ?
Is Brahmos the name of your Pitaa jii? Why go personal on a fukin missile?
About the rest of your krap post. The missile does not eject empty stages or engine. In fact the engine is functional all the way to the target,and it is along with the casing a very heavy part of the missile. Not adding that mass in your calculation is just wrong. The missile hits target with 1.5-2 tons of mass , not just 200 Kg.
Anyway am out of this thread, you guys can masturbate each other about your Brahmos. Bye

I don't think @Indx TechStyle ever got personal . On the contrary you did so , using derogatory language. All he did was use a humorous analogy .Which got you all worked up .

 

[RATHORE]

What is this? Sialkoti Physics?

Unfortunately that's not how it works @safriz

Assume that both the missiles have completely exhausted their fuel upon reaching the target and only mass is that of the warhead so

KE for Brahmos with 200 KG warhead will be KE = 105884000 J
KE for Babur with 450 KG warhead will be KE = 12531600 J

Thats a difference of 93352400 J

Combine that with the Armour Piercing Nature of the Brahmos warhead , it is designed to penetrate deep into the ships hull and then explode , completely ripping the ship from inside, it's just like how if you put a firecracker on top of your hand it will leave a nasty burn/ wound on your hand, but hold that same firecracker in your hand and close your fist around it , your ammi will be opening the jar of pickles for you , for the rest of your life.

Thats on top of the fact Babur is most likely to be shot down since its way too slow that is if any of the old , rusty pakistani vessel is alive to be even launching anything , they all will be taken down before they even know what hit them, only thing those antiquated dingy boats will be launching are SOS Flares.

Miyaan yeh sab toh theek hai, but in your calculations did you account for the Jinn Constant and Ruhaani Factor?

 

[_Anonymous_]

Miyaan yeh sab toh theek hai, but in your calculations did you account for the Jinn Constant and Ruhaani Factor?

Actually , I'm in agreement with LAL topi here. Nothing else can logically explain a few things about Pakistan .Like how do they continue obsessing about Kashmir given their dire straits , like how can they even think of strategic depth vis a vis Afghanistan & India given their lack of economic heft , like how are they surviving as a nation ( something only Allah mian knows or does? For if it's brought to his attention , he'd follow logic and we know what does that mean for Pakistan ) , like how does the PA think they're going to merrily continue their old ways when the body politic of the very nation they've sworn to protect is so badly damaged and cancerous .

It's only Ruhani taaqat that's holding Pakistan together . For how long , is a question to be answered in due course.

 

[Indx]

And your ammi will be washing your soiled dhoti for the rest of your life ?
Is Brahmos the name of your Pitaa jii? Why go personal on a fukin missile?
About the rest of your krap post. The missile does not eject empty stages or engine. In fact the engine is functional all the way to the target,and it is along with the casing a very heavy part of the missile. Not adding that mass in your calculation is just wrong. The missile hits target with 1.5-2 tons of mass , not just 200 Kg.
Anyway am out of this thread, you guys can masturbate each other about your Brahmos. Bye

Bro @safriz where the heck did i get personal?
did i use offensive language or a explicit word against you or your family?
it was a mere analogy to state that if you hold a cracker in hand and close your fist , that you will loose your hand and then your family members be it wife or ammi will be opening bottles of pickles for you?

why are you british pakistanis so tightly wound up and get riled up over nothing? even if you still feel offended i apologise because insulting you personally was never my intention , however you did get quite personal but that doesn't bother me because i'm not thin skinned like you and don't believe in mud slinging.

but your calculations are wrong in this context also joules should be converted into KiloNewtons ie unit of force not TNT because they will hit the ship with Force or KE and then explode it is unwise to compare the KE aspect of the missile in terms of TNT.

 

[screambowl]

Not adding that mass in your calculation is just wrong. The missile hits target with 1.5-2 tons of mass , not just 200 Kg.

Bhai missile kya piche se paad marti hai jo uska weight constant rahega? When fuel burns the weight is reduced. In no way your missile can be weighing more than 500-750 kgs.

 

[Indx]

Dead from laughing. Dr. Abdus Salaam would probably be turning in his grave if he saw this shit. ​

Bro i'm seriously worried for you , please don't choke okay, also another Gem from Lal topi

 

[_Anonymous_]

Bro i'm seriously worried for you , please don't choke okay, also another Gem from Lal topi

In a nation where Sialkoti physics is taught , Lahori logic rules.

 

[Dagger]

but your calculations are wrong in this context also joules should be converted into KiloNewtons ie unit of force not TNT because they will hit the ship with Force or KE and then explode it is unwise to compare the KE aspect of the missile in terms of TNT.

@safriz
He is right on point. To elaborate. Your math seems right and taking into account the entire missile weight may be approximately done.
But the force developed by 450kg warhead doesn't completely translate to blast force on the target. Part of it is in Heat and light. And most of the blast force is dissipated.
Consider a cube of tnt exploding for simplicity, It must rightly be a sphere, but a cube will do as an approximation. It has 6 sides. Only one side of its blast force is transmitted on target. So even the blast force energy is not efficiently used. It Will be less than 1/6th of the complete energy.

On the other hand, The kinetic energy of the Brahmos is wholly relevant and useful. And @Indx TechStyle point of the explosion having more impact in the interior is. extremely important.

Plus, high value targets, if possible, will use either mobility or reinforcement of structures to defend themselves.
With a supersonic missile, The time you have to pack up and move after tracking it ,is very limited. It is the difference between having 30 seconds to evacuate ,say, the HQ and 2 minutes to do the same.

And the hardened structure is easily punched through.

 

[lcafanboy]

@safriz

Brahmos will breach mach 7 barrier in next decade

Brahmos will breach mach 7 barrier in next decade – Indian Defence Research Wing

Now compare that Bullock Cart Babuur with Ferrari Brahmos you will know the difference.....

Bullock Cart can be stopped by anyone with their bare hands but you can't stop a Ferrari moving at above 300kms...

Even mighty US is fearful of Brahmos. There should be some logic in US thinking and not some Rawalpindi physics.

 

[vikata]

what the hell ,
what sort of calculation he did
how the hell mass will remain constant,its a case of variable mass
some body kindly buy a hc verma for him please
its called CONCEPT OF PHYSICS( VOLUME 1)
which they are lacking seriously

 

[safriz]

Bro @safriz where the heck did i get personal?
did i use offensive language or a explicit word against you or your family?
it was a mere analogy to state that if you hold a cracker in hand and close your fist , that you will loose your hand and then your family members be it wife or ammi will be opening bottles of pickles for you?

why are you british pakistanis so tightly wound up and get riled up over nothing? even if you still feel offended i apologise because insulting you personally was never my intention , however you did get quite personal but that doesn't bother me because i'm not thin skinned like you and don't believe in mud slinging.

but your calculations are wrong in this context also joules should be converted into KiloNewtons ie unit of force not TNT because they will hit the ship with Force or KE and then explode it is unwise to compare the KE aspect of the missile in terms of TNT.

sorry yaar...i missed my medication this evening and got wound up for no reason.
Apologies from my side.
Btw the analogy of "Sialkoti Physics" cracked me up .
I am off to the gym this late in the night..Later i will write some Lahori physics right here

 

[Dr. Fox]

It has 6 sides. Only one side of its blast force is transmitted on target. So even the blast force energy is not efficiently used. It Will be less than 1/6th of the complete energy.

This isn't a great analogy, to be honest. Modern naval warheads are time-delayed to detonate with the fuse senses the missile is within a cavity. That leads to the blast occurring within the ship, not against it and having the blast be omnidirectional. Proximity and impact fuses use to be the most common, as where shape-charged warheads, but today programmable fuses and HE-Blast Fragment warheads are more en vogue.

It's also important to keep in mind that while yes, an explosion does lose power due to heat and light generation, the warhead's makeup determines just how much and how vigorous that process is. Take the Norwegian Navy's Naval Strike Missile as an example of both statements above. Its fuse permits it to detonate within a ship, void-sensing we call it, as shown in the video below during a test against Oslo Class Frigate KNM Trondheim, but its warhead is as energetic as that of Harpoon Block II despite being half the size due to its chemical makeup

Brahmos has what's called a semi-armor piercing warhead. This is a fancy way of saying that the warhead of the Brahmos missile was designed to detonate only after the warhead's fuse has sensed that it's breached a hardened surface, though it can be programmed for delayed or position-oriented detonation too. This arrangement is due to the speed at which Brahmos flies leaving the time needed for contact detonation to be too short to accurately measure. But it has the secondary effect of seeing the warhead detonate from within a ship maximizing the blast effect in multiple directions.

Brahmos is in essence a modernized version of the SS-N-22. Large, fast moving with a high blast yield. But like the SS-N-22s in the video below, Brahmos travels too fast for most contact fuses, so unless opting for a proximity fuse and shaped charge warhead to maximize the missile's destructive potential a void-sensing fuse, as demonstrated in the video is the best recourse.

You're not wrong, but that analogy applied more so to impact fuses and blast fragment or high explosive warheads. Shaped charges or void-sensing fuses mean the blast is either directed towards a target, along with missile fragments, or that both the missile's blast yield and thermal energy are directed outwards from the detonation while within the target ship leading to greater damage.