DRDO QRSAM and SPYDER Air Defence Systems

Hydra

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Hitjob article, target hit on a low rcs drone even at long distance but there are problems in every part of the system revealed by a complete unknown source :p
How do you know that its a hit job by ET? You working in ET or do you have any sort of association with IA when comes to weapon evaluation.
 

Ankit Kumar

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Mobility is an issue which I think I mentioned in some thread. You see the OSA AK is actually much more mobile. There's no doubt regarding that.

But we are not seeking a OSA AK replacement. We want a local SPYDER alternative. And the capabilities should be compared against it as a bench mark.

The OSA AK and Strela 10 need a mobile VSHORAD system. Maybe time to use the MoU signed for star streak system years ago.

Everyother allegation doesn't make sense actually.
 

marich01

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How do you know that its a hit job by ET? You working in ET or do you have any sort of association with IA when comes to weapon evaluation.
That person with nickname manu pubby who did the report previously also came with the hitjob on Astra few months ago.
The issue is not the person, rather the source feeding him some misinformation.
 

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That person with nickname manu pubby who did the report previously also came with the hitjob on Astra few months ago.
The issue is not the person, rather the source feeding him some misinformation.
But, its not fair to call everything a 'hit job' right?. The issue is with the opacity of the defense procurement and the culture of "source" based news. If we had proper accountability and transparency from DRDO this won't be happening. Just follow any pentagon program. Progress is updated to congress every quarter. Even for classified programs redacted reports are available. And in this country, CAG report on Defence is no longer published to the public because some new CAG chief thought its too 'sensitive'.

Also, the same journalist was the first to report VVIP chopper scam. It must have caricatured as hit job then also.
 
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Ankit Kumar

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But, its not fair to call everything a 'hit job' right?. The issue is with the opacity of the defense procurement and the culture of "source" based news. If we had proper accountability and transparency from DRDO this won't be happening. Just follow any pentagon program. Progress is updated to congress every quarter. Even for classified programs redacted reports are available. And in this country, CAG report on Defence is no longer published to the public because some new CAG chief thought its too 'sensitive'.

Also, the same journalist was the first to report VVIP chopper scam. It must have caricatured as hit job then also.
Things like servicing, or say unable to target a low flying helicopter. These things just don't add up. If the LRU, maintenance and servicing issues were sorted, it would already be in production.

Questioning the serviciablity of a TD/PV vehicle is absurd.

Then again weight, mobility are issues.

I beleive there are some true points added with some masala points.
 

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Even if there are any flaws it won't stop the system to be inducted. Remember how such "hit-jobs" used to be done against Akash. But now India is looking to export Akash.

Import lobby won't get what they want as long as Modi is in power.
 

Hydra

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That person with nickname manu pubby who did the report previously also came with the hitjob on Astra few months ago.
The issue is not the person, rather the source feeding him some misinformation.
Et reports about Nirbhay missile failure turned out to be true, so you cannot undermine them at all.
 

Hydra

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That person with nickname manu pubby who did the report previously also came with the hitjob on Astra few months ago.
The issue is not the person, rather the source feeding him some misinformation.
Et reports about Nirbhay missile failure turned out to be true, so you cannot undermine them at all
Even if there are any flaws it won't stop the system to be inducted. Remember how such "hit-jobs" used to be done against Akash. But now India is looking to export Akash.

Import lobby won't get what they want as long as Modi is in power.
Akash took around 20 years of development, so we can assume that DRDO had sorted out all the flaws of that missile to some extant.
 

marich01

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But, its not fair to call everything a 'hit job' right?. The issue is with the opacity of the defense procurement and the culture of "source" based news. If we had proper accountability and transparency from DRDO this won't be happening. Just follow any pentagon program. Progress is updated to congress every quarter. Even for classified programs redacted reports are available. And in this country, CAG report on Defence is no longer published to the public because some new CAG chief thought its too 'sensitive'.

Also, the same journalist was the first to report VVIP chopper scam. It must have caricatured as hit job then also.
Its not entirely the journo's fault, rather its the source who is feeding him the info. We do not know the context, it can be genuine, can even be a hitjob type situation, can even be someone doing mischief to see if the reporter is putting everything he hears into a report without cross verifying. For instance if I were his source in army, and I wanted to see if the reporter would write anything I tell him blindly, I would mix between genuine info and something fabricated to see if he really publishes everything. Later in the army camp me & my company can laugh as much as we could.

I think most would see the information provided in that report as rather vague and it effectively blamed several things without much proof. The radar part, would a radar be deployed in ready to fire mode trial situation, in a production ready configuration, if it failed to detect the target? The timeline part being 5 years late is another example. It is obvious whoever he spoke with, was frustrated why other readymade systems are not in hand already as he is not prepared to wait while likely teething issues are solved.
 

marich01

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Et reports about Nirbhay missile failure turned out to be true, so you cannot undermine them at all

Akash took around 20 years of development, so we can assume that DRDO had sorted out all the flaws of that missile to some extant.
Nirbhay was a tech demo sort of project, to establish the baseline technology for cruise missile program. This is something I noticed now, like with uttam radar, HSTDV , all these are sanctioned tech demo project where you establish a baseline working tech, validate every parameter, control logic etc. Basically application of a theory. Turning that application into a product is the next stage, like now uttam radar is being created separate for separate jets, or Nirbhay was the precursor, now multiple cruise missile program underway based on it. This is why DRDO do the tech transfer. A minimum number is sometimes made project specific, to show the sanctioned money had some end product, like limited series production to justify to cag report type committees. HSTDV similarly will be closed once tech is validated, then multiple programs will sprawl from it.

I think journalists might be mistaking or misunderstanding how the projects are worked on. Therefore some confusing conclusion drawn from it or fueled by external factors intentionally. We know the export lobby are very actively related with the local media.
 
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I think journalists might be mistaking or misunderstanding how the projects are worked on. Therefore some confusing conclusion drawn from it or fueled by external factors intentionally. We know the export lobby are very actively related with the local media.
Military is procuring weapons based on their requirment & what it delivers. They dont follow press reports to change their decision. If they are not inducting, means it has some serious problems.
 

Hydra

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Nirbhay was a tech demo sort of project, to establish the baseline technology for cruise missile program. This is something I noticed now, like with uttam radar, HSTDV , all these are sanctioned tech demo project where you establish a baseline working tech, validate every parameter, control logic etc. Basically application of a theory. Turning that application into a product is the next stage, like now uttam radar is being created separate for separate jets, or Nirbhay was the precursor, now multiple cruise missile program underway based on it. This is why DRDO do the tech transfer. A minimum number is sometimes made project specific, to show the sanctioned money had some end product, like limited series production to justify to cag report type committees. HSTDV similarly will be closed once tech is validated, then multiple programs will sprawl from it.
Go and reserch the old posts, about 2 years old here itself. Once members were dying to prove that nirbhay started induction, it was same in other mainstream media too. Few press reporters were saying otherwise, so there is a possibilities of ET might right in QRSAM too., may be they not. So keep away your filthy conclusion on ET reports till you comes to know about the authenticity of that report.
Its not entirely the journo's fault, rather its the source who is feeding him the info. We do not know the context, it can be genuine, can even be a hitjob type situation, can even be someone doing mischief to see if the reporter is putting everything he hears into a report without cross verifying. For instance if I were his source in army, and I wanted to see if the reporter would write anything I tell him blindly, I would mix between genuine info and something fabricated to see if he really publishes everything. Later in the army camp me & my company can laugh as much as we could.

I think most would see the information provided in that report as rather vague and it effectively blamed several things without much proof. The radar part, would a radar be deployed in ready to fire mode trial situation, in a production ready configuration, if it failed to detect the target? The timeline part being 5 years late is another example. It is obvious whoever he spoke with, was frustrated why other readymade systems are not in hand already as he is not prepared to wait while likely teething issues are solved.
You forget one thing, it was an army evaluation. AFAIK only final product will be send to the user for evaluation.
 

Paro

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You forget one thing, it was an army evaluation. AFAIK only final product will be send to the user for evaluation.
It was never an army evaluation. Infact drdo back in 2020 clearly said atleast 20 more tests will be conducted before reaching induction phase.

Back in 2020 DOD gave the budget of 200 missiles to drdo not the army ( the amount was worth 200 missiles not to make 200 missiles, it was mostly to keep the program going and operational costs). Desi news twisted the statement saying army is ready to induct 200 missiles.
 
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