From memory it was an obsolete SAM, However we are talking A2A missiles aren't we.
Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion
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The model of the new Dassault drone:
The front landing gear appears to be from a Rafale Marine aircraft.
The air intake is large, indicating powerful engines.
The front landing gear appears to be from a Rafale Marine aircraft.
The air intake is large, indicating powerful engines.
Preparing for the Paris Air Show
Neuron cousin or SCAF demo?
Rafale with CFTs, nice.
Pod for RGL on AAE stand
AASM ‘XLR’ which appear to be externally identical to the current AASM:
AASM ‘XLR’ which appear to be externally identical to the current AASM:
A kind of tank that could be a jammer (ESJ = European Support/Standoff Jammer?). It has lots of access panels and special areas at the front and rear.
Monsieur, is this production ready or still in development? The aesthetics are on point. Good stuff.The model of the new Dassault drone:
The front landing gear appears to be from a Rafale Marine aircraft.
The air intake is large, indicating powerful engines.
Sancho was rigjt all these years. He was damn against Rafale. A European fightet aircraft which can't fire meteor is a waste procurement.
Rafale F4 is better networked with the missile than the traditional way using a two-way link.
to all those who did not like my posts about Op Sindoor, I had told you that IAF may have got its another biggest gallentry award winner. Most likely He/She is Rafale pilot. Skardu was taken out by Rafale and they took out a JF-17 using MICA in that strike. The same pilot was also involved in the action on 7th early morning strikes.
Not really, just that it didn't make sense based on what is known. Plus you later clarified that it was weapons, not the jet, which is a bureaucratic hurdle solved with time.
Chances that female pilots will actually be allowed to operate behind enemy lines? I don't believe even the Americans do that, at least deliberately.
Delusional? F4 was gutted as an update, stripped of a lot of stuff, You have to wait till mid 2030s for F5. Which may be gutted as well, so F6?
The Rafale F5, the upcoming upgrade of the French Rafale fighter jet, will feature enhanced capabilities with the Meteor air-to-air missile, including a two-way data link. This data link allows for real-time information exchange between the missile and the launch aircraft, enabling mid-course target updates and retargeting if needed.
The Meteor missile itself is a long-range air-to-air missile with a ramjet engine, offering high speed and maneuverability, and is already in service with the Rafale.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
- Rafale F5 Standard:
The F5 standard represents a significant upgrade for the Rafale, building upon the F4.1 standard. It will include features like conformal fuel tanks and optimization for working with Dassault's Unmanned Combat Air System (UCAS). The F5 will also be cleared for launching two air-launched nuclear weapons.
- Meteor Missile:
The Meteor is a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) known for its long range, high speed, and maneuverability. It uses a unique ramjet engine, allowing it to maintain high speed and energy during its flight, making it difficult for targets to evade.- Mid-course updates: The launch aircraft can update the missile's target information during its flight.
- Retargeting: If the initial target is no longer a threat or a more suitable target appears, the missile can be redirected.
- Real-time status updates: The missile can transmit its functional and kinematic status, and information about target acquisition.
- Mid-course updates: The launch aircraft can update the missile's target information during its flight.
- Operational Significance:
The two-way data link with the Meteor missile enhances the Rafale's ability to engage targets at long ranges and in complex scenarios. It allows for more flexible and effective employment of the missile, making the Rafale a more potent air-to-air platform.
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But I was lead to believe that Active Cancellation/ACT can spoof anything & penetrate by itself, evading everything by flying low
Basically, Rafale on SEAD/DEAD will be needing the same kind of kit as what the Germans have planned for the Typhoon EK variant...or what the Americans have had for decades at this point in the form of Prowler/Growler. They still need to get a proper ARM though. Germans are buying AGM88 for the EK but as usual seeking off-the-shelf American solutions is an icky prospect for France due to politics...of course, for the gullible this is beautifully packaged as "Rafale doesn't need an ARM".
Oh well, it just goes to show that Rafale isn't an exception to the pros & cons that go with being a 4th/4.5 gen fighter, it's just within norm. Some OEMs might implement these capabilities sooner, some later...depending on threat environment & who they plan to go up against & by when.
But in the meantime, we mustn't let ourselves be taken in by the PR/cheerleading/fanboyism.
"Rafale doesn't have a standoff jammer" was deflected with "Rafale doesn't need a standoff jammer"
"Rafale doesn't have an ARM" was deflected with "Rafale doesn't need an ARM"
"Rafale doesn't have airframe stealth"...."Rafale doesn't need airframe stealth"....you get the picture.
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All that said, it seems the anti-radar munition 'AASF' they've planned for F5 might be too far away (expected by 2035...the biggest war of our time may be well over by that point).
Given that, it would actually be very smart if the French were to work alongside us in implementing the Rudram-I/II as an option for ALL Rafales (not just IAF ones). This is going to take some initiative...not to mention, it's gonna require the French to look at us as not just some client state but one that can potentially help improve the versatility of their platforms.
Will they do that?
MBDA will never allow this so we just gotta speed up Rudram development and integrate them with Tejas and Su 30.But I was lead to believe that Active Cancellation/ACT can spoof anything & penetrate by itself, evading everything by flying low
Basically, Rafale on SEAD/DEAD will be needing the same kind of kit as what the Germans have planned for the Typhoon EK variant...or what the Americans have had for decades at this point in the form of Prowler/Growler. They still need to get a proper ARM though. Germans are buying AGM88 for the EK but as usual seeking off-the-shelf American solutions is an icky prospect for France due to politics...of course, for the gullible this is beautifully packaged as "Rafale doesn't need an ARM".
Oh well, it just goes to show that Rafale isn't an exception to the pros & cons that go with being a 4th/4.5 gen fighter, it's just within norm. Some OEMs might implement these capabilities sooner, some later...depending on threat environment & who they plan to go up against & by when.
But in the meantime, we mustn't let ourselves be taken in by the PR/cheerleading/fanboyism.
"Rafale doesn't have a standoff jammer" was deflected with "Rafale doesn't need a standoff jammer"
"Rafale doesn't have an ARM" was deflected with "Rafale doesn't need an ARM"
"Rafale doesn't have airframe stealth"...."Rafale doesn't need airframe stealth"....you get the picture.
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All that said, it seems the anti-radar munition 'AASF' they've planned for F5 might be too far away (expected by 2035...the biggest war of our time may be well over by that point).
Given that, it would actually be very smart if the French were to work alongside us in implementing the Rudram-I/II as an option for ALL Rafales (not just IAF ones). This is going to take some initiative...not to mention, it's gonna require the French to look at us as not just some client state but one that can potentially help improve the versatility of their platforms.
Will they do that?
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The Tejas MK1A and MK2 cannot be inducted soon enough for the IAF. That's my take based on all the issues that I have seen based on OSINT and internet chatter.But I was lead to believe that Active Cancellation/ACT can spoof anything & penetrate by itself, evading everything by flying low
Basically, Rafale on SEAD/DEAD will be needing the same kind of kit as what the Germans have planned for the Typhoon EK variant...or what the Americans have had for decades at this point in the form of Prowler/Growler. They still need to get a proper ARM though. Germans are buying AGM88 for the EK but as usual seeking off-the-shelf American solutions is an icky prospect for France due to politics...of course, for the gullible this is beautifully packaged as "Rafale doesn't need an ARM".
Oh well, it just goes to show that Rafale isn't an exception to the pros & cons that go with being a 4th/4.5 gen fighter, it's just within norm. Some OEMs might implement these capabilities sooner, some later...depending on threat environment & who they plan to go up against & by when.
But in the meantime, we mustn't let ourselves be taken in by the PR/cheerleading/fanboyism.
"Rafale doesn't have a standoff jammer" was deflected with "Rafale doesn't need a standoff jammer"
"Rafale doesn't have an ARM" was deflected with "Rafale doesn't need an ARM"
"Rafale doesn't have airframe stealth"...."Rafale doesn't need airframe stealth"....you get the picture.
++++
All that said, it seems the anti-radar munition 'AASF' they've planned for F5 might be too far away (expected by 2035...the biggest war of our time may be well over by that point).
Given that, it would actually be very smart if the French were to work alongside us in implementing the Rudram-I/II as an option for ALL Rafales (not just IAF ones). This is going to take some initiative...not to mention, it's gonna require the French to look at us as not just some client state but one that can potentially help improve the versatility of their platforms.
Will they do that?
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But I was lead to believe that Active Cancellation/ACT can spoof anything & penetrate by itself, evading everything by flying low
It just needs more pixie dust
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