Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion
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Is Rampage now making in india like we produce Lora?SCALP has seen mixed success in Russia due to lack of EW support from Ukraine.
The UK intends to replace the Storm Shadow with Israel's Rampage.
Ukraine's 'Biggest Ever' Storm Shadow Attack Fails Miserably As Russia Learns From Sep 13 Missile Strikes
In an unprecedented daylight strike on September 20, Ukraine launched 8 Strom Shadows stealth cruise missiles from 11 Su-24M tactical bombers targeting Russia’s Black Sea Fleet (BSF) at Sevastopol. Despite the use of sophisticated tactics such as flying low over the Black Sea to escape detection...www.eurasiantimes.com
Without sufficient standoff EW, the missiles have become easy pickings.
The IAF can degrade the performance of L and S band radars using SAP-14.
You do realize the huge gap left in the middle? What's protecting the Rafales that are penetrating? SPECTRA won't cut it.
The Typhoon EK is a penetrator. Hence the extra oomph needed for escort jamming. The ESJ standoff jammer alone won't address this. If Rafale wants to penetrate, then it too needs the same kind of kit as what EK is getting.
Cuz if Preatorian isn't enough, neither is SPECTRA.
Just inferencing based on the best information available at the time. If you have better info, do share.
We also have the precedent of 2019 where 8222-equipped MKIs successfully evaded every single AMRAAM shot at them.
Umm, yeah that's why they have to be more powerful. If you want to jam the same target from a much farther range, you need way more power to overcome the burnthrough.
A Mahindra Scorpio is just as survivable as an F-22 if they both stay out of the enemy's reach.
Come on, you know what I mean.
Modern EBVRAAMs are changing up the game rapidly. Lumbering passenger jets aren't as survivable as they were even 10 years ago.
Growler is standoff jamming...its called modified escort jamming cuz being a fighter, it can approach much closer to the threat than a C130/G550/A400M based jammer. Being comparatively less powerful, it kinda has to as well.
Rafale with ESJ will likely do the same, though it seems it might not have broadband capabilities like Growler with NGJ.
The problem however is that the Rafales that are penetrating have no adequate escort jamming capabilities. SPECTRA won't be enough & the lack of stealth won't help its case either.
Hence, it needs a jammer upgrade.
Integrating Scorpius would alleviate this issue to a great extent...while incorporation of Rudram would mean it won't need to penetrate as much as it would otherwise had to, increasing survivability even more.
The question now is will they let us do it? And if so, how many arms & legs is it going to cost us?
If you haven't noticed, it's just the French, deceitful propaganda being pushed
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Short answer is no, There are changes to the airframe and new wiring network throughout the aircraft, It's cost prohibitive, It's more effective to buy a new aircraft, Some simple stuff my be able to be retrofitted, to run on the 1980's architecture
F5 is what should have happened years ago
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Is it possible to mate IRIS T with Rafale? I think IRIS T is capable of imtetceptim air to air missile, if true its a unique capability for this missile, and not available on any other air to air missile system.
Is it possible to mate IRIS T with Rafale? I think IRIS T is capable of imtetceptim air to air missile, if true its a unique capability for this missile, and not available on any other air to air missile system.
Only the typhoon uses it. Logically since rafale is a nato standard plane iris-t could be integrated but it's just not worth the effort
Dassault should work with DRDO. We have already proven that we can develop 8222/Scorpius like systems.
The max range of AASM is > 70km according to Safran, and the low altitude range is then >= 15km
India has developed a 1 tonne Glide Bomb with 100 km Range
We will soon integrate it on SU 30 MKI
We will be putting our own GAN AESA in Tejas MK 2 before F 5 Rafale
I was speakingof actual AASM 250.
A new model, AASM XLR, with small turbo engine, is on the drawing board, and shown in Le Bourget. 150km range ?
Sure that all the indian projects always are on time.....
I was speakingof actual AASM 250.
A new model, AASM XLR, with small turbo engine, is on the drawing board, and shown in Le Bourget. 150km range ?
Sure that all the indian projects always are on time.....
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All is said (if true).
M88 T-Rex : not seen any evidence of funds allocated for that, but it's natural to have a more powerfull engine for a heavier bird and using technological improvements to have bigger thrust in the same overall dimensions.
Electronic pod : same about funds. French air force don't seem to put it on top of what is needed.
What is new is the UCAV : until these last days we didn't know if it would be single or twin engined and the dimensions of the bird. Now it seems a little bit clearer. Will it be able of supercruise ? etc...
Dassault Aviation Partners with Reliance Group to manufacture Falcon 2000 Business Jets in India for Global Market
Dassault Aviation and Reliance Infrastructure Ltd subsidiary, Reliance Aerostructure Limited (RAL), today announced at Paris Air Show execution of an agreement to manufacture Falcon 2000 LXS Business Executive Jets in India for the Global Market.- First-ever Assembly Line for Falcon Business Executive Jets outside France to be set up at Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL), India.
- DRAL to become the first Center of Excellence (CoE) for Falcon out of France.
- India joins elite club of select nations producing Executive Business Jets.
This is for the first time that Dassault Aviation will manufacture Falcon 2000 jets outside France, positioning India as a strategic global aviation hub.
This is an epic moment for India as it joins the elite club of countries manufacturing next-generation business jets after United States, France, Canada and Brazil.
For Dassault Aviation, DRAL will become Center of Excellence (CoE) for Falcon series, including Falcon 6X and Falcon 8X programs, the first such CoE outside France.
Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO, Dassault Aviation said: “This new agreement, which will make DRAL the first centre of excellence for Falcon assembly outside France and which will eventually enable the establishment of a final assembly line for the Falcon 2000, illustrates, once again, our firm intent to meet our ‘Make in India’ commitments, and to contribute to the recognition of India as a major partner in the global aerospace supply chain. It marks the ramp-up of DRAL, in line with the strategic vision shared with our partner Reliance, which led to its creation in 2017 and is a testament to our unwavering belief in our future in India and serving India.”
Anil D. Ambani, Founder Chairman, Reliance Group said: “This collaboration reflects our commitment to Prime Minister Shri Narendra Modi’s vision of ‘Atmanirbhar Bharat (Self Reliant India)’ and ‘Make in India for the World’. Our partnership with Dassault Aviation for manufacturing of Falcon Business Jets in India is a defining moment for the country, Aviation Industry and the Reliance Group. This will help position India as a key force in the global aerospace value chain.”
The transfer of full fuselage and wing assembly operations combined with major facility upgrades, will pave the way for the first flight of “Made in India” Falcon 2000 from DRAL Facility at MIHAN, Nagpur in the Western State of Maharashtra, India by 2028.
The partnership represents a significant step in advancing India’s aerospace manufacturing capabilities, while strategically integrating into global aviation supply chain.
It will be for the first time in the storied history of Dassault Aviation, that it will manufacture Falcon 2000 jets outside of France. Dassault will also transfer the assembly of the front section of Falcon 8X and Falcon 6X, in addition to the wings and complete fuselage assembly of the Falcon 2000 to DRAL.
This landmark initiative will see India emerge as a strategic center for high-end business jet manufacturing, underscoring the nation’s growing prominence in the global aerospace ecosystem. The new final assembly line will cater to rising demand in India and other international markets.
The joint venture between Dassault Aviation and Reliance Aerostructure – DRAL – was established in 2017. The operations commenced with the setting up of a state-of-the-art manufacturing facility at Mihan, Nagpur, later that year. Since delivering its first Falcon 2000 front section in 2019, DRAL has assembled over 100 major subsections for the Falcon 2000, underscoring its world-class precision manufacturing capabilities and playing an integral role in Falcon global production program.
DRAL is expected to recruit several hundred engineers and technicians over the next decade to support its expanding operations. This growth underscores Dassault Aviation’s deep commitment to strengthening India’s aerospace manufacturing ecosystem and advancing the nation’s emergence as a global center of excellence for high-precision aviation production.
Radar, yeas you can trust our timeline.I was speakingof actual AASM 250.
A new model, AASM XLR, with small turbo engine, is on the drawing board, and shown in Le Bourget. 150km range ?
Sure that all the indian projects always are on time.....
So Why US Navy purchased SH18 Growler when they have F35 ?
The drone is used as another bomb truck, potentially a air to air missile truck, another airborne radar for multistatism, for fuel supply, etc....
Poor UK !!!
They already have difficulties to equip their T45 destroyer with anti ship missiles and they expect to purchase another cruise missile.....