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Rafale now officialy in Croatian Air Force!


Official transfer ceremony of the first Croatian Rafale was held today. Croatia is the last NATO member state to still use MiG-21 fighter aircraft, and procurement of Rafale has essentially upgraded Croatian multirole fighter fleet by two generations.

While the aircraft is now officially Croatian property, it will be – along with the other five Rafales of the first batch – be delivered to Croatian Air Force in first quarter of 2024. Remaining aircraft will be delivered in early 2025.

Croatian government decided on Rafale acquisition on 28 May 2021, and on 25 November 2021 the technical agreement and three agreements with companies Dassault Aviation, MBDA France and Safran Electronic & Defense, with payment to be made in installments from 2021 to 2026. Overall value of these agreements is 999 068 463 €, that is 1 152 496 307 € with estimated expenses of indexation of prices and VAT. Financial resources will be provided in budget of Ministry of Defense. A total of 12 Rafale F3-R aircraft are being acquired, of which 10 Rafale C (single-seater) and 2 Rafale B (twin-seater), in the same standard as used by the French Air Force (AdlA). Along with the aircraft also comes flight simulator which will enable complete training as well as validation of tactics, ground and test equipment, reserve parts and complete manufacturer support. Overall support is agreed upon until the last quartal of 2026, as well as 12-month guarantee per each delivered aircraft, engine, piece of equipment and spare part.

According to usage projections by MORH, acquisition of these Rafales will suffice for the next 30 or more years. Operational usage of Rafales in the French Air Force is planned until 2060.

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Rafale now officialy in Croatian Air Force!


Official transfer ceremony of the first Croatian Rafale was held today. Croatia is the last NATO member state to still use MiG-21 fighter aircraft, and procurement of Rafale has essentially upgraded Croatian multirole fighter fleet by two generations.
Wouldn't you have preferred Gripen to Rafale for Croatia?
 
Wouldn't you have preferred Gripen to Rafale for Croatia?
As an aircraft, definitely - though Rafale was always my second choice (third was either F-18 or F-16, with Typhoon being the fourth).

Not so sure politically. Sweden is rapidly becoming SJW hellhole, and many of the Gripen parts are sourced from the US, meaning that both Swedish and US governments have a right of veto. Though on the flip side, I also dislike many of French policies, so eh...
 
As an aircraft, definitely - though Rafale was always my second choice (third was either F-18 or F-16, with Typhoon being the fourth).

Not so sure politically. Sweden is rapidly becoming SJW hellhole, and many of the Gripen parts are sourced from the US, meaning that both Swedish and US governments have a right of veto. Though on the flip side, I also dislike many of French policies, so eh...

The next time you can go for AMCA. (y)

There's no room for that SJW crap here.
 
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What features of the Gripen do you regret not having with the Rafale?
Eh, mostly the fact that it is smaller and lighter, and therefore cheaper to operate. I am also not certain that Rafale has been designed with road operations in mind, though I don't think HRZ ever used road operations in the first place, so not a big flaw there.

Ideal for me will have been something like this:
 
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Eh, mostly the fact that it is smaller and lighter, and therefore cheaper to operate. I am also not certain that Rafale has been designed with road operations in mind, though I don't think HRZ ever used road operations in the first place, so not a big flaw there.

Ideal for me will have been something like this:
But the Rafale is very light: if you compare the Gripen E with the Rafale C, Wikipedia gives an empty weight of 8000 kg versus 9850 kg for the Rafale, but if you take out the engines, you have to take out one tonne for the Gripen and 2 tonnes for the Rafale, which makes a bare empty weight of 7000 kg for the Gripen versus 7850 kg for the Rafale. Given the performance of the Rafale's airframe, I don't think that's excessive. As for the price per flight hour of the Gripen, I think Saab is very enthusiastic about its aircraft.... they have more "faire savoir" (make-know) than "savoir faire" (know-how ).
 
But the Rafale is very light: if you compare the Gripen E with the Rafale C, Wikipedia gives an empty weight of 8000 kg versus 9850 kg for the Rafale, but if you take out the engines, you have to take out one tonne for the Gripen and 2 tonnes for the Rafale, which makes a bare empty weight of 7000 kg for the Gripen versus 7850 kg for the Rafale. Given the performance of the Rafale's airframe, I don't think that's excessive. As for the price per flight hour of the Gripen, I think Saab is very enthusiastic about its aircraft.... they have more "faire savoir" (make-know) than "savoir faire" (know-how ).
Right, thanks. Plus, cost per flight hour would get equalized somewhat due to airbase maintenance and other ancilliary stuff anyway...
 
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290 hours for the rafale per year on average in 2023!!! that's twice the hours of the f-35 :




As a reminder, MCO for the Rafale is covered by two "verticalized" contracts: RAVEL [Rafale Verticalisé], awarded to Dassault Aviation in 2019, and BOLERO, awarded to Safran Aircraft Engines. The Mirage 2000 is covered by the "Balzac" contract, awarded to Dassault Aviation in January 2022.

This increase in availability has made it possible to "increase the activity of each Rafale", thereby partially offsetting the withdrawal of 24 aircraft from the French Air Force's [AAE] inventory to meet orders placed by Greece and Croatia.

"By 2023, we've gone from 250 hours per aircraft per year, which is the model on which fleets are built today, to 290 hours per aircraft per year. This doesn't replace all the activity generated by the 24 Rafales we're removing. However, it does compensate for a good part of it," explained the Chief of the Air Staff. But this has required us to review "the entire maintenance plan" for the aircraft, with "faster industrial support than we had imagined", he added.
 
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Pakistani JF-17's shoot own 6 Rafails! :ROFLMAO:

Pakistan’s JF-17 ‘Shoots Down’ Six Rafale Fighters During Turkish Wargame? IAF Pilot Decodes Report
By Ritu Sharma - October 7, 2023

The ‘grounded’ fleet of JF-17 in the Myanmar Air Force may be a sore point for Pakistan & China, but a report on how JF-17 pummelled Rafale fighter jets belonging to Qatar Air Force during a wargame in Turkey might have raised Islamabad’s morale.

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The report is based on the multinational “Anatolian Eagle” exercise conducted in June 2021 between Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Qatar at a Turkish Air Force base. The participating aircraft in the exercise were Turkish F-16s, Pakistan’s JF-17 “Thunder” Block II, Qatar’s Rafale, and Azerbaijan’s MiG-29 and Su-25 “Frogfoot”.

An E-3A Air-borne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft of NATO participated in the annual exercise.


The report claimed that the exercise allowed the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to test the mettle of JF-17s, developed in collaboration with China, against the French Dassault Rafale fighter jets of the Qatar Air Force.

The French fighter jet Rafale, meaning ‘Gust of Wind,’ has been the latest induction in the Indian Air Force (IAF), PAF’s arch-nemesis.

The said report quotes “unconfirmed sources” to claim “the kill-ratio of JF-17 aircraft against the Qatar Rafale aircraft was 6:2, meaning the JF-17 Block II aircraft shot down Rafales six times compared to only two losses in air combat simulations during the exercise.” No details about the missions flown have been given.

Dogfight Depends On Pilot’s Tactics

An IAF expert, while conceding that no aircraft is “invincible,” said at the end of the day, it boils down to tactics. “The JF-17 has no technological advantage over Rafale – nada, zilch,” the veteran IAF test pilot, who has flown Rafale fighter jets, told the EurAsian Times while requesting to remain anonymous.

Since the report mentions no details of the said combat, it is difficult to speculate now after almost two years. “In any case, considering a BVR battle scenario, Rafale shall take the thunder out of JF-17 due to its far superior avionics and weapons. In visual dog fights, every pilot can get a chance and claim a ‘kill.’

“These ‘kills’ are difficult to substantiate on the ground because of inherently different combat recording systems on Rafale and JF-17. I feel it’s just a fabricated story to score brownie points against IAF,” said another retired IAF officer.


The JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft is jointly developed by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corp. It has a Chinese airframe and Western avionics and is powered by a Russian engine.

Troubles Mount For JF-17

Since its induction in PAF in 2007, it has seen many crashes. There have been reports of the aircraft being grounded several times due to cracks in guide vanes, exhaust nozzles, and flame stabilizers.

Myanmar, the first country to buy and induct JF-17 besides Pakistan, was forced to ground its fleet in 2022 owing to technical malfunctions. PAC had sent its technicians and engineers to fix the problem but to no avail.

An independent Myanmar-based media outlet, Narinjara News, reported that these problems were identified to be structural cracks and airframe damage, issues with the Weapon Mission Management Computer, and poor performance of the Chinese-made KLJ-7AI fire control radar, as well as a variety of other technical problems and malfunctions that gave the Myanmar Air Force reasons to declared the JF-17 Thunder fleet as “technically unfit for operations.”

Some experts refuse to accept the JF-17 as a successor to the American F-16s. There is no comparison between the JF-17, a third-generation aircraft, and the Rafale in the IAF, which qualified as a 4.5-generation jet.


JF-17C Pakistan
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Director General of Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS) Air Marshal Anil Chopra (Retired) said in an article comparing JF-17 and Rafale: “The Rafale is a game-changer in the region, and any comparison with a generation older JF-17 is flawed. Rafale is adding a significant punch to the IAF’s Op capability and will help India dominate the Indian AOR (Area of Responsibility) in the South Asian and Indian Ocean regions.”

Indian Rafale: Cut Above The Rest

The IAF has specific enhancements for its Rafales to meet the South Asian security threat scenario, meaning countering PAF’s combat fleet and that of China’s air force. The modifications included an engine that can start at 12,000 feet altitude. The specification caters to the threat India faces on its eastern border.


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Within a few months of its induction, the IAF had Rafale fighter jets armed with MICA air-to-air missiles on their wingtips flew over Ladakh, India’s northernmost sector. Post heightened tension along the India-China border, Indian armed forces have been augmenting capabilities to operate in the region.

It also has a towed decoy system to deceive and thwart incoming missiles and 10-hour flight data recording. When it comes to weapons, the Indian Rafale is a beast.

The Indian Rafale has 14 hard points, allowing it to carry a payload of over nine tonnes. The Indian-specific enhancements include Air-Air Surface Missiles Hammer, SCALP ‘Storm Shadow’ long-range air-ground cruise missile, and Meteor air-air missiles with more range and accuracy.

Meteor gives Indian Rafales the capability to shoot down enemy aircraft over 100 km without crossing the border. It offers multi-shot capability in a heavy electronic countermeasures (ECM) environment with no escape zone of over 60 km.

Ritu Sharma has been a journalist for over a decade, writing on defense, foreign affairs, and nuclear technology.
She can be reached at ritu.sharma (at) mail.com
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Fuhgeddabout F-35's F-16's and F-18's are more than a match for the mighty Rafale. :love:
 
Aviation de combat : la France va investir 1,6 milliard dans le SCAF et 11,7 milliards dans le Rafale
Combat aircraft: France to invest 1.6 billion in the SCAF and 11.7 billion in the Rafale

Behind the United States, France is determined to maintain its leadership in combat aviation. That's why, over the period 2023-2026, it will be investing colossal sums in the European SCAF program and the Rafale, respectively 1.3 billion and 6.4 billion euros. In total, payment credits already earmarked for these two programs amount to 1.6 billion for the SCAF and 11.7 billion for the Rafale.


12 Oct 2023, 13:34

France continues to invest heavily in the Rafale (6.4 billion euros over the period 2023-2026) (Credits: Reuters)

France is investing heavily in its combat aircraft to keep up with the big boys. The French-led Future Air Combat System (SCAF) program is gaining momentum. And this is clearly reflected in the budget. This emblematic European program between Germany, Spain and France is beginning to take its toll on the budget of the French Ministry of the Armed Forces. Over the four-year period 2023-2026, payment credits earmarked for the system of systems for the air combat of the future (combat aircraft, drones, weapons, combat cloud, etc.) amount to 1.36 billion euros. Beyond 2026, the Ministry of the Armed Forces also plans to spend a further 300 million euros. This brings the total already budgeted to 1.65 billion euros.

Signed in December 2022, the contract for phase 1B of the SCAF (Next Generation Weapon System market), worth over 3 billion euros and financed equally by Germany, Spain and France, runs for around 36 months. Work is currently underway to develop a program of technological demonstrations designed to deliver breakthrough capabilities in the field of combat aviation. In addition to this amount, France is also investing nationally. Thus, the main commitments planned for 2024 for the SCAF concern investments in the technical centers of the Direction Générale de l'Armement (DGA) and national work to support the demonstration program.

Over 11 billion for the Rafale

While waiting for the SCAF program to enter service beyond 2045, France continues to invest heavily in the Rafale. This amounts to 6.4 billion euros, including 128 million euros for the Neuron (UCAV), which was recently brought out of mothballs under the 2024-2030 military programming law, for the period 2023-2026. The French Ministry of the Armed Forces has also already budgeted 5.36 billion euros in payment credits beyond 2026. This brings the total to 11.76 billion euros, part of which will go to the Rafale prime contractor, Dassault Aviation, which will then redistribute it to the 400 companies working on this crucial program for France, including Thales and Safran. This amount includes the economic increases due for inflation.

Of this total, France continues to finance the Rafale F4 (2.27 billion euros), whose qualification for the 4.2 standard has slipped by one year (2025 instead of 2024). This version will make it possible to deal with evolving threats in more contested engagement contexts, notably by improving connected collaborative combat capabilities. The Ministry of the Armed Forces is beginning to ramp up the Rafale F5 program (211.9 million euros), with work on the RBE2 XG radar and risk mitigation studies set to continue in 2024. However, the bulk of these budgeted appropriations relate to payments on delivery of the Rafales, 13 of which will be delivered in 2023 and 2024. This represents a total of 8.5 billion euros, including 3.7 billion euros for the 2023-2026 period.

The French Ministry of Defence is currently negotiating with Dassault Aviation for a new order of 42 Rafales for the French Air Force, to be announced by the end of this year. The future LPM provides for a Rafale fleet (Air + Navy) of 178 aircraft by the end of 2030, and 225 aircraft by 2035.
 

4,6 Md€ pour les prochaines versions du Rafale et le Neuron seront investis par la France d’ici à 2030.

France will invest €4.6 billion between now and 2030 in the next versions of the Rafale and the Neuron.
October 12, 2023

Contents
  • Rafale F4.2 postponed to 2025
  • Investment in the Rafale F5 begins in 2024.
  • 128 m Neuron successor to be designed in 2024
  • France will invest €11.76 billion in the Rafale program up to 2030.
  • 1.36 bn for the SCAF from 2024 to 2026

French fighter format still in line with 2013 White Paper

For Eric Trappier, Dassault's priority today is the Rafale program and its future developments, not the European SCAF program, whose entry-into-service deadline is now 2045. At least, that's how he put it in an interview with BFM Business last August.

At the time, one might have thought that this statement was part of the ongoing tug-of-war between Dassault and the French Ministry of the Armed Forces, with the industrial split and its necessary concessions within the European program in the background, as well as the arrival of Belgium.

As the weeks went by, however, it became clear that the positions of the two French protagonists were much more aligned than they had appeared, with a clear ambition on the part of the Ministry of the Armed Forces to support the Rafale's future development.

Rafale F4.2 postponed to 2025

Indeed, for the Ministry of the Armed Forces, the Rafale F4, and above all the F5 version, scheduled for 2030, are intended both to modernize and extend the capabilities of the French air force, and to bolster the attractiveness and competitiveness of the French aircraft on a high-demand international stage.

Clearly, the Hôtel de Brienne (political headquarters of the Ministry of the Armed Forces) has decided to put its money where its mouth is. According to an article published by the business website La Tribune, it plans to invest no less than €4.6 billion between now and 2030 to upgrade the French fighter and develop a combat drone based on the Neuron demonstrator.

For the Ministry, Dassault Aviation, Safran, Thales, MBDA and the 400 or so subcontractors involved in the Rafale program, the aim is to complete the development of the F4.2 standard, which must, among other things, see its means of suppressing opposing defenses, including its anti-aircraft defense, greatly improved in response to the lessons learned from the war in Ukraine.

Initially scheduled for 2024, final qualification of the Rafale F4.2 has been pushed back to 2025, while the first F4.1s have already begun to be employed by the French Air Force.

It should be noted, however, that the Rafale aircraft to be delivered in 2023 and 2024 - i.e. 26 aircraft for the AAE - will be of the F3R standard. They will then be upgraded to the new standard, as will the entire fleet.

Investment in the Rafale F5 will start in 2024.

But the real leap forward, which can even be described as a reboot for Anglicists, and a rebirth for Francophiles, will be the F5 version, which promises to equip the aircraft by 2030 with certain capabilities that are more expected of 5ᵉ and 6ᵉ generation fighters.

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MBDA remote carrier expendable

Some programs, such as MBDA's Remote Carrier Expendable, originally planned as part of the European program, have probably been switched to the Rafale F5 program, whose ambitions were revised upwards in the 2024-2030 LPM.

In addition to a new RBE2 XG radar currently under development, the Rafale F5 will be able to control and operate combat UAVs, such as MBDA's Remote Carrier Expendable, and above all the French Loyal Wingman program announced in LPM 2024-2030, based on the Neuron demonstrator.

Design of the 128-m Neuron successor in 2024

Equipped and supported in this way, the Rafale F5 will be able to operate in a contested environment like the American F-35, while benefiting from a number of advantages that are unique to it in terms of endurance, performance and implementation costs.

To this end, the design of the Neuron's successor will receive a budget of €128m from 2024, to which will be added €212m devoted to research and development work on the F5 standard, for a grand total of €340m devoted to the F5 in 2024 alone.

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The development of a combat drone derived from the Neuron demonstrator will receive 128 m€ in 2024.
 
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The major innovation of the Rafale F4 standard.

On March 13, 2023, the French defense procurement agency (Direction Générale de l'Armement - DGA) declared the Rafale fighter's F4.1 standard qualified, ushering in the era of collaborative air combat. This new standard brings major capability evolutions in the field of air combat:
  • Integration of the Scorpion helmet-mounted sight.
  • Improvements in fire control for the Meteor missile (missile managed by an aircraft other than the firing aircraft).
  • Evolution of passive threat detection algorithms.
  • Integration of the 1,000 kg GPS/laser-guided AASM weapon.
  • New functions for Talios, OSF and RBE2 sensors.
  • First developments in connectivity, with enhanced data exchange capabilities between Rafales and greater protection against cyber threats.
Focus on Rafale communications and connectivity

If the legacy Rafale were to have just one flaw, it would probably be its radio. Without being catastrophic, it seems to fall far short of today's standards in terms of signal power and clarity. With the F4 standard, the Rafale will finally be equipped with an all-new digital communications system that should improve pilots' situational awareness, even in electronically contested environments. In many ways, this is the real raison d'être of the F4 standard:
  • The aircraft have been fitted with CONTACT software-defined radios, the new standard used by the French armed forces to enable the various players in theater to share a common operational picture.
  • A new tactical intra-patrol data link, discrete and directional, has been integrated on the Rafale F4, alongside the current L-16. This link is based on three-dimensional waveforms (FO3D) generated by digital synthesis.
  • Rafale F4s are equipped with a military-grade, encrypted, discrete, SYRACUSE IV-compatible SATCOM at the base of the vertical stabilizer.
  • In addition to the existing data links, the management of these communication packages has been entrusted to a new generation of communication servers, simplifying the crew's task while ensuring data encryption and cyber-protection.
All this equipment makes it possible to create genuine communication networks not only within a Rafale patrol, but also, via SATCOM and CONTACT, across an entire theater of operations. Each pilot thus has access to an extended tactical situation, enabling long-distance networked combat, even in complex environments. Rafales can also be used as radio relays between ground troops and metropolitan decision-making centers, or to monitor the evolution of a tactical situation live from the very start of their transit phase.
 
While the main contribution of F4.1 is the initialisation of the Rafale's super-connectivity, the F4.2 standard will mainly provide greatly improved means of suppressing opposing defenses, including anti-air defense, in response to lessons learned from the war in Ukraine.
 
You'll see it soon enough. :ROFLMAO:

Initially the F4.2 was scheduled for 2025, it was accelerated to 2024 to meet the constraints of the Finnish tender, but since they chose the F-35 we're back to 2025.

But it's true that when we announced this standard in 2019, we thought that 5 years later GaN technology would be widespread in the civilian sector and that this would make it affordable for the military, this is not the case, so we have changed our plans:
  • We have accelerated the development of capabilities resulting from feedback from the war in Ukraine.
  • We have eliminated a simple evolution of the Radar, which consisted of replacing T/R GaS modules with GaN modules.
  • This simple evolution has been replaced by a change in the radar architecture, which has become the RBE2 XG, enabling the full potential of GaN technology to be exploited.
  • This radar will arrive later, at a time when GaN technology will be less expensive, and its performance will be in line with the needs of this later period.
  • With the development of multistatic capability, also planned for this timeframe, it will make passive stealth, such as that used on the F-35, obsolete.