AUKUS : US, UK and Australia forge military alliance to counter China

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The US, UK and Australia are setting up a trilateral security partnership aimed at confronting China, which will include helping Australia to build nuclear-powered submarines.

The initiative, called Aukus, was announced jointly by President Joe Biden and prime ministers Boris Johnson and Scott Morrison, following US briefings which described the agreement as binding the three English-speaking countries together.

Boris Johnson, the UK prime minister, said they were “natural allies” even though “we may be separated geographically” and said the alliance would create “a new defence partnership and driving jobs and prosperity”.

 

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There's no going back for Australia.

The Australia that killed Quad the first time is now all in.
 

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So they are going for 8 SSNs to be build in South Australia.

On long term this is a threat to IN's primacy in the Indian Ocean Region. Our only clear advantage is gone.

Their SSNs will be more advanced from day one to whatever we build.

Global hawk, P8I, MH-60R, LRASM, Tomahawk, Sea Guardian, hypersonic missile. They got everything cutting edge.
 

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It seems better for the Aussies aligning with the Anglo/5 eye alliance. And Australia getting nuke subs will actually give them some real teeth and contribution to the quad. Presently they are the weakest link in the quad and there existence doesn't really matter. But it does change the future naval dynamics in the Indian ocean..
 
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So they are going for 8 SSNs to be build in South Australia.

On long term this is a threat to IN's primacy in the Indian Ocean Region. Our only clear advantage is gone.

Their SSNs will be more advanced from day one to whatever we build.

Global hawk, P8I, MH-60R, LRASM, Tomahawk, Sea Guardian, hypersonic missile. They got everything cutting edge.
We need to blame ourselves .
 

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It seems better for the Aussies aligning with the Anglo/5 eye alliance. And Australia getting nuke subs will actually give them some real teeth and contribution to the quad. Presently they are the weakest link in the quad and there existence doesn't really matter. But it does change the future naval dynamics in the Indian ocean..

France's position with respect to China is extremely disappointing for the three countries. Hell, even Japan voiced their displeasure at it.
 

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Can you elaborate?

Macron said the French have no plans of militarily challenging China. So they will continue to act as a supplier to neighbouring countries, but that's about it.

These two statements:

 

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You can consider that this is the immediate diplomatic cost of Macron's announcement of abandoning France's allies in the Pacific.

Oh the French can piss off here. They've consistently played a double game as long as DeGaulle has been alive. Pulling out of NATO accomplished what exactly? The end the result was Eastern Europe liberation in spite of them.

They argued for a third way somehow in the Cold War when in the end it was a US led victory. Either actually commit, or just soft support like Canada and NZ(which is his position)

Europe is lucky I suppose, instead of next door this time the enemy is as far as can be from their shores. Funny how the question throughout Europe from the Cold War to this day is will the USA support us when it comes down to it yet the answer is nyet the other way around. Whatever, there's still a bunch of use to soft commitments. I just hate Trump complicated the issue.

Unfortunately for India specifically and many quad nations, we have close proximity.

To be fair to Macron here, he's trying to win an election.

Of course this is totally ignoring the financial and logistical thing about this.
 
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Macron said the French have no plans of militarily challenging China. So they will continue to act as a supplier to neighbouring countries, but that's about it.

These two statements:

Compared to Germans this is nothing.
 

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Germans are peaceniks. Nothing is expected of them, so there's no disappointment.
Germany is still wallowing in the guilt of WWII, so you're unlikely to ever see any real international engagement from them. But aside from that, the EU's position on China economically is weak and that's an area where it does have some power to use, it's just choosing not to.
 

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Germany is still wallowing in the guilt of WWII, so you're unlikely to ever see any real international engagement from them. But aside from that, the EU's position on China economically is weak and that's an area where it does have some power to use, it's just choosing not to.

Germany is not wallowing in their guilt, it's just an excuse, they just don't wanna spend on the military since it takes away money from healthcare and other stuff. Japan has decided to change their mind quickly though.

As for the EU, I don't really care about them militarily speaking. Only France is a real military power, the others are nothing. But France is currently doing nothing in terms of expanding its navy, which shows there's no intent to challenge China.
 
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Germany is not wallowing in their guilt, it's just an excuse, they just don't wanna spend on the military since it takes away money from healthcare and other stuff. Japan has decided to change their mind quickly though.

As for the EU, I don't really care about them militarily speaking. Only France is a real military power, the others are nothing. But France is currently doing nothing in terms of expanding its navy, which shows there's no intent to challenge China.
The first French Barracuda, which is an SSN, has been delivered to the French Navy, the others will follow, it is still an improvement of the French Navy. If you look at the price of conventional barracudas, It's a significant effort, 6 new generation SSNs.