Air Engagement of Operation Sindoor : Analysis

[Asterion Moloc]

is that the reason why they announced the NOTAM for unavailability bcos they are extremely trained unit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921198644843155687

Runway repair is not 2hr job and done like our 731IQ hanese friend is saying, that patch can only support limited type of aircraft(lighter, rugged etc). For larger aircraft(refuellers, awacs, transport) to land it will take extensive repairs as said in NOTAM for it to work. And where will these large force multiplier aircraft stay if you blast the runways and hangars even for a day, they cant land on motorways

What nonsense are you talking about? China and Taiwan are the same nation. Did you pass your high school humanities geography?

No, formosa is not same nation as chyna. Formosans (especially indegenous tribes) remember Japanese rule fondly unlike 731IQ hanese. I wonder why?

https://twitter.com/x/status/844071167681941504

 

[Asterion Moloc]

Off-topic but posting here for continuity

Runway repair is not 2hr job and done like our 731IQ hanese friend is saying, that patch can only support limited type of aircraft(lighter, rugged etc). For larger aircraft(refuellers, awacs, transport) to land it will take extensive repairs as said in NOTAM for it to work. And where will these large force multiplier aircraft stay if you blast the runways and hangars even for a day, they cant land on motorways



No, formosa is not same nation as chyna. Formosans (especially indegenous tribes) remember Japanese rule fondly unlike 731IQ hanese. I wonder why?

https://twitter.com/x/status/844071167681941504

Most surprisingly, the close Taiwan-Japan relationship is based largely on nostalgia for colonialism. Many Taiwanese even feel reverence for their former Japanese colonial masters, who modernised the island during an occupation that lasted from 1895 to 1945.

Comfort, or even fascination, with a history of Japanese colonialism is a strong cultural factor that sets Taiwan apart from China and South Korea, where occupation by Japan is remembered with revulsion.

Japan suddenly became aware of the depth of Taiwan’s affection for it after the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster, when an outpouring of Taiwanese donations exceeding 20 billion yen (US$230 million at the time) outdid contributions from every other country. It was a watershed moment for Japan.

The curiously cozy relationship between Taiwan and Japan | The Strategist

Because Taiwan lacks formal diplomatic ties with most countries, it works hard at developing cultural and social links with them. But not with Japan. Far more than is widely understood in other countries, Taiwan and ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

 

[RationalGuy]

I think in the next clash if air to air conflict happens we will respond more quickly and aggressively. I hope the political leadership has learnt it'd lesson to not restrict RoE

 

[marich01]

I'm going to appeal to the forum members to repost the video. It was probably here that I saw it. It was a press briefing. He said when asked about the 5 claimed, 'there are losses in battle'. Or said something very similar.

Losses in battle can mean any loss, like shot down missiles/drones too since those did not complete the mission that was intended for. One KIA and one accidental, both are classified as losses. USA leaving out loads of mil assets (made unusable or not) is also technically loss on the book value that they were willing to write off. You will not be able to show any interview or clipping as of yet where anyone associated with the missions have formally declared specific loss cases.

Just like any professional force would do, they are willing to accept any loss as long as it is within a tolerance limit to get the intended mission done. Its not their concern that average people choose to focus on something. As an armed force its always zero sum game for them. Hence if the mission is top priority , certain asset loss is acceptable because replenishing is much easier than not completing the mission.

 

[Optimist]

Losses in battle can mean any loss, like shot down missiles/drones too since those did not complete the mission that was intended for. One KIA and one accidental, both are classified as losses. USA leaving out loads of mil assets (made unusable or not) is also technically loss on the book value that they were willing to write off. You will not be able to show any interview or clipping as of yet where anyone associated with the missions have formally declared specific loss cases.

Just like any professional force would do, they are willing to accept any loss as long as it is within a tolerance limit to get the intended mission done. Its not their concern that average people choose to focus on something. As an armed force its always zero sum game for them. Hence if the mission is top priority , certain asset loss is acceptable because replenishing is much easier than not completing the mission.

agree, which is why I said this before. The sooner everyone knows, the better. Propaganda put aside, the major players know what is going on, it is only us plebs who are in the dark.

The fog of war should be over soon and details released. Stretching it out only gives credibility to the claims.

 

[Lolwa]

I think in the next clash if air to air conflict happens we will respond more quickly and aggressively. I hope the political leadership has learnt it'd lesson to not restrict RoE

Nah we are stuck in this escalation spiral. The only difference is that this facade of differenting between state and non-state actors might have ended.

 

[Optimist]

Nah we are stuck in this escalation spiral. The only difference is that this facade of differenting between state and non-state actors might have ended.

Agree, they are all state sponsored.

 

[screambowl]

It is for Pakistan to do the damage assessment not Indians. Because India has sent an adequate response to Pakistanis. Indians had a target and that has been achieved. Mission accomplished.

In an interview. I saw an Indian military person, say that you did. He didn't qualify the number or type of aircraft. Are you also saying, all of the photos are fake?

He said there are losses, and yes drones have been lost. But that's pretty fine because enemy state's capital was hit multiples times.

 

[HariPrasad]

This is all the stuff I have been talking about the course of the last 1-2 months about our new networking capabilities.

@Picdelamirand-oil @vstol Jockey @Rajput Lion @Parthu

Thread:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922275994553200687

Our active and passive capabilities are soon gonna go up by many levels over the next 2 years.

GCAP is nowhere. SCAF is localized and still a long ways away. Our capabilities will be SCAF-like but available in just a few years and will be a global network within 5-8 years. All automated, all AI-run, limited/no human element.

Not just radar detection, but this network will give us next gen passive localization too. Fighter jets in combo with AI-led drones and ELINT satellites.

And new small form factor antennas are being developed too. Something like 30% smaller. So on the same array, if you could carry 1000 TRMs, with the new antennas you can carry 1300. It means drones can carry more capability on smaller arrays. Old antenna designs require 3-4 cm2 of space, while modern ones need 1.5-2.5 cm2.

Stuff like this explains why the IAF isn't interested in 5th gen imports. They won't be able to integrate all this tech on it.

Akashteer is not Drone I believe. It is a basically a sensor fusion technique. It merges data received from different radars and improves situational awareness.

 

[HariPrasad]

Why so confident in the Su-57? It's not operational. Russia in a decade has managed 32 planes(10 testing)

I would bet my life the J-20 and J-35 are better than the Su-57. Money and industry talk.

Let's see the Su-57 perform in Ukraine first pls. Russia desperately needs stealth fighters, yet the Su is doing nothing.

J35 and J20 are not stealth. They have only frontal stealth. There were news 4 to 5 years ago that MKI detected J20 from a long long distance. Both have less than 4th generation engine and poor IR signature. J 20 uses canard which increases RCS. In the assessment of IAF, had these 2 planes been threat to IAF, we would have said yes to F35. We have not shown any interest in F 35 which means that IAF believes that they can handle J35 and J20 with existing fleet of fighters before AMCA arrives.

 

[Rajput Lion]

J35 and J20 are not stealth. They have only frontal stealth. There were news 4 to 5 years ago that MKI detected J20 from a long long distance. Both have less than 4th generation engine and poor IR signature. J 20 uses canard which increases RCS. In the assessment of IAF, had these 2 planes been threat to IAF, we would have said yes to F35. We have not shown any interest in F 35 which means that IAF believes that they can handle J35 and J20 with existing fleet of fighters before AMCA arrives.

It's never advisable to underestimate your enemy. J-20/35 aren't F-22/35 level stealth but still stealthy in X-Band especially from front. MKI might have detected J-20 when it was flying with Lunerberg Lens.

J-36/50 are going to be all-aspect broadband stealth so they are going to cause trouble to even our VHF radars.

 

[HariPrasad]

It's never advisable to underestimate your enemy. J-20/35 aren't F-22/35 level stealth but still stealthy in X-Band especially from front. MKI might have detected J-20 when it was flying with Lunerberg Lens.

J-36/50 are going to be all-aspect broadband stealth so they are going to cause trouble to even our VHF radars.

I am not underestimating. What I want to say is that had they been threat to IAF with current capabilities, IAF would have considered F-35 or Su-57. Both are on offer. IAF will let Pakistan to have an edge when they have the options available to get batter fighter. If IAF is confident to handle the Pakistani *censored* stuff with existing IAF inventory (In terms Variety, not Quantity), it means that handling of Chinese jets is possible with Rafale and Super sukhoi combo.

 

[Rajput Lion]

I am not underestimating. What I want to say is that had they been threat to IAF with current capabilities, IAF would have considered F-35 or Su-57. Both are on offer. IAF will let Pakistan to have an edge when they have the options available to get batter fighter. If IAF is confident to handle the Pakistani *censored* stuff with existing IAF inventory (In terms Variety, not Quantity), it means that handling of Chinese jets is possible with Rafale and Super sukhoi combo.

F-35 or any high-end US jet is a cancer that we as a nation need to avoid. Americans have been our biggest covert(sometimes overt) enemy since 1947. They even eliminated several of our scientists because they didn't want India to become a global power. Our recent force projection against their puppy has shocked both Sam & Han. We need to be very careful dealing with them from now onwards.

Import wise, 2-3 squadrons of Rafale F4, 114 Rafale F5 and Su-57 in some customized form is all that we need. Rest our Tejas MK2, MKI UPG. & AMCA are good enough for both fronts.

 

[Innominate]

F-35 or any high-end US jet is a cancer that we as a nation need to avoid. Americans have been our biggest covert(sometimes overt) enemy since 1947. They even eliminated several of our scientists because they didn't want India to become a global power. Our recent force projection against their puppy has shocked both Sam & Han. We need to be very careful dealing with them from now onwards.

Import wise, 2-3 squadrons of Rafale F4, 114 Rafale F5 and Su-57 in some customized form is all that we need. Rest our Tejas MK2, MKI UPG. & AMCA are good enough for both fronts.

Well if that's the way you see the US I guess you're not going to lose your cht if US upgrades PAF F-16 fleet to blk 70 standard to keep the peace, right?

 

[_Anonymous_]

Well if that's the way you see the US I guess you're not going to lose your cht if US upgrades PAF F-16 fleet to blk 70 standard to keep the peace, right?

Good to see you here Thursday morning 8:20 am sweetie . Just before your 11 hour morning shift at the nearest 7/11.

Maybe the Dolund Trump administration should heed your advice & refurbish those F-16s. Would be fun the next time you went up against the Talibunnies.

DoD would be mighty pleased like they were the last time when you were fighting the Talibunnies in Afghanistan for a good 20 years only to see the Paxtanis take aid from you running into billions of USD & pass on some to the Talibunnies. It's also called running with the hares & hunting with the hounds .

Meanwhile we should be reciprocating your wonderful gesture by arming the Houthis. I'm sure the USN would love it . At least the next time they'd have a proper excuse for they've none this time.

Imagine going in a Congressional hearings & confessing we got graped by a bunch of goat phuckers & camel humpers.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Well if that's the way you see the US I guess you're not going to lose your cht if US upgrades PAF F-16 fleet to blk 70 standard to keep the peace, right?

Is this a threat? Kid, go and search the history of US military aid to Pak like M-48 & F-86 in the past along with what we did to those, then try to threaten us

 

[RationalGuy]

J35 and J20 are not stealth. They have only frontal stealth. There were news 4 to 5 years ago that MKI detected J20 from a long long distance. Both have less than 4th generation engine and poor IR signature. J 20 uses canard which increases RCS. In the assessment of IAF, had these 2 planes been threat to IAF, we would have said yes to F35. We have not shown any interest in F 35 which means that IAF believes that they can handle J35 and J20 with existing fleet of fighters before AMCA arrives.

Also unlikely PLAAF can stations more than 15-20 J20 in Tibet. 5th gen jets require specialized hangars to keep their RAM coating from degrading iirc and building and maintaining such infrastructure at Tibet is difficult to say the least not to mention always at risk from Scalp and Brahmos.

Well if that's the way you see the US I guess you're not going to lose your cht if US upgrades PAF F-16 fleet to blk 70 standard to keep the peace, right?

Why stop there please go ahead and give Pak F35s lol. More targets for Balochis to destroy while its still on the ground.

It's never advisable to underestimate your enemy. J-20/35 aren't F-22/35 level stealth but still stealthy in X-Band especially from front. MKI might have detected J-20 when it was flying with Lunerberg Lens.

J-36/50 are going to be all-aspect broadband stealth so they are going to cause trouble to even our VHF radars.

J36 is bigger threat due to longer range.

 

[Innominate]

Is this a threat? Kid, go and search the history of US military aid to Pak like M-48 & F-86 in the past along with what we did to those, then try to threaten us

How is that a threat? Don't be so sensitive like your trans friend (Anony) who self bans when the mods scold him.

All I'm saying is if you see the US that way then I hope you don't lose your cht if the US upgrades PAF F-16's because it would be hypocritical of youz, right?

 

[randomradio]

Akashteer is not Drone I believe. It is a basically a sensor fusion technique. It merges data received from different radars and improves situational awareness.

He's talking about drones that use the IAF's sensor network feed.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Also unlikely PLAAF can stations more than 15-20 J20 in Tibet. 5th gen jets require specialized hangars to keep their RAM coating from degrading iirc and building and maintaining such infrastructure at Tibet is difficult to say the least not to mention always at risk from Scalp and Brahmos.

They eventually plan for around 1000 J-20s, putting 250 no.s in each theatre. So we are not looking at just facing 15-20, rather 250 in due time.

Why stop there please go ahead and give Pak F35s lol. More targets for Balochis to destroy while its still on the ground.

F-35 is a wonderful jet(all the banter aside) and I would have loved for IAF to operate few squadrons of it. Infact, I had a long standing dream about IN operating F-35B's since one of my favourite jets is Sea-Harrier and I absolutely love VTOL jets.

But the way these Americans are behaving, we absolutely need to stay clear of their high-end military ware. Trump once again said yesterday that he stopped Indo-Pak war due to his trade pressure. If they could pressurize us with their trade deal, just think about what they'll do with their high-end military jets if we ever procure them.

J36 is bigger threat due to longer range.

Longer range, broadband all-spectrum(from VHF to Ka band), all-aspect(from any side/angle) stealth along with carrying multiple 300-500kms PL-17s inside them. It could carry even supersonic cruise missiles internally thanks to its magazine depth. It's also designed as stealthy AEW&C in heavily contested battlespace.

Both J-36 & J-XDS/50 are serious threat to both India & US. The latter has an answer in form of F-47 & F/A-XX with Super F-22, F-35 Block-4 & maybe even F-55 in future. We, on the other hand, don't have any reply at the moment. IAF has never fretted J-20 or J-35. But J-36 & J-50 is bound to raise some eyebrows here too.