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Dassault chief reiterates demonstrator plan for Rafale-successor sixth-gen fighter​

Eric Trappier says aircraft could be flying by 2031 provided development contract is received promptly.​
Dassault Aviation chief executive Eric Trappier is still pushing to have a next-generation fighter demonstrator flying by 2031 in support of France’s emerging Avion de Combat du Futur (ACF) sixth-generation programme.

Although a formal requirement has yet to emerge, Paris is anxious to fill the gap left by the collapse earlier this year of the tri-national Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme with Germany and Spain.

In recent weeks, government and military officials have expressed their support for the ACF – future combat aircraft in English – which at this stage is envisaged as an all-French affair, albeit one potentially open to other countries.

Speaking to FlightGlobal at the NBAA-BACE business aviation show in Las Vegas, Trappier lamented a decade lost to the FCAS programme without any tangible results.

“I’m really frustrated – we have been working for 10 years without anything flying,” he says. “Our engineers need to see a bird flying at our flight-test centre.”

Dassault was leading the New Generation Fighter (NGF) portion of the FCAS programme – a manned long-term replacement for its Rafale jet – and had been aiming to fly a demonstrator by 2029.

But Trappier is keen to replicate that process on the ACF: “I am pushing now to get a demonstrator,” he says.

“If we start now or at the beginning of 2027 it could be flying in 2031,” a timeframe he is “confident” of achieving. Trappier had in July outlined an ambition to fly a new demonstrator.

Rafale successor

Dassault has already begun internal studies based on the likely requirements of the ACF, which would replace the Rafale in both air force and naval service.

Because the fighter needs to be aircraft carrier-capable, Dassault is already liaising with ship builder Naval Group, which is developing the France Libre, the French navy’s next-generation carrier.

Although few details of the ACF have so far been disclosed, Trappier says it “will be smaller than we expected with the NGF”.

Additionally, as it will be a multi-role aircraft, “there will be a compromise between aerodynamics and stealth capabilities – a fighter still needs to remain a fighter”, he stresses.

Power will likely come from a further evolution of the Safran Aircraft Engines M88, beyond the T-Rex variant currently in development for the F5-standard Rafale. This raises thrust, with an afterburner, to around 21,000lbf (95kN), up from 17,000lbf currently.

Safran had been working with German partner MTU Aero Engines on a new powerplant for the NGF – with additional contribution from Spain’s ITP Aero – however it is unclear whether this consortium can persist following the FCAS collapse.

Should France commit to the ACF development, service entry would be around 2045, Trappier says.

Meanwhile, Dassault continues initial internal concept work on an uncrewed combat air vehicle (UCAV) for the French armed forces, albeit that it has yet to receive a development contract.

Envisaged as an aircraft of more than 10t to serve as a ‘loyal wingman’ for the Rafale, the UCAV concept design is based on preliminary attributes from the French air force.

“These are the requirements we need to work with. Then the government will find a way of funding it,” he says.
 

Dassault chief reiterates demonstrator plan for Rafale-successor sixth-gen fighter​

Eric Trappier says aircraft could be flying by 2031 provided development contract is received promptly.​
Dassault Aviation chief executive Eric Trappier is still pushing to have a next-generation fighter demonstrator flying by 2031 in support of France’s emerging Avion de Combat du Futur (ACF) sixth-generation programme.

Although a formal requirement has yet to emerge, Paris is anxious to fill the gap left by the collapse earlier this year of the tri-national Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme with Germany and Spain.

In recent weeks, government and military officials have expressed their support for the ACF – future combat aircraft in English – which at this stage is envisaged as an all-French affair, albeit one potentially open to other countries.

Speaking to FlightGlobal at the NBAA-BACE business aviation show in Las Vegas, Trappier lamented a decade lost to the FCAS programme without any tangible results.

“I’m really frustrated – we have been working for 10 years without anything flying,” he says. “Our engineers need to see a bird flying at our flight-test centre.”

Dassault was leading the New Generation Fighter (NGF) portion of the FCAS programme – a manned long-term replacement for its Rafale jet – and had been aiming to fly a demonstrator by 2029.

But Trappier is keen to replicate that process on the ACF: “I am pushing now to get a demonstrator,” he says.

“If we start now or at the beginning of 2027 it could be flying in 2031,” a timeframe he is “confident” of achieving. Trappier had in July outlined an ambition to fly a new demonstrator.

Rafale successor

Dassault has already begun internal studies based on the likely requirements of the ACF, which would replace the Rafale in both air force and naval service.

Because the fighter needs to be aircraft carrier-capable, Dassault is already liaising with ship builder Naval Group, which is developing the France Libre, the French navy’s next-generation carrier.

Although few details of the ACF have so far been disclosed, Trappier says it “will be smaller than we expected with the NGF”.

Additionally, as it will be a multi-role aircraft, “there will be a compromise between aerodynamics and stealth capabilities – a fighter still needs to remain a fighter”, he stresses.

Power will likely come from a further evolution of the Safran Aircraft Engines M88, beyond the T-Rex variant currently in development for the F5-standard Rafale. This raises thrust, with an afterburner, to around 21,000lbf (95kN), up from 17,000lbf currently.

Safran had been working with German partner MTU Aero Engines on a new powerplant for the NGF – with additional contribution from Spain’s ITP Aero – however it is unclear whether this consortium can persist following the FCAS collapse.

Should France commit to the ACF development, service entry would be around 2045, Trappier says.

Meanwhile, Dassault continues initial internal concept work on an uncrewed combat air vehicle (UCAV) for the French armed forces, albeit that it has yet to receive a development contract.

Envisaged as an aircraft of more than 10t to serve as a ‘loyal wingman’ for the Rafale, the UCAV concept design is based on preliminary attributes from the French air force.

“These are the requirements we need to work with. Then the government will find a way of funding it,” he says.
Do Dassault or any one else has told anything or put forward any requirements about the engine thrust and power generation for ACF/FCAS ?

Like for GCAP, each engine will generate 1MW of electrical energy.
 
Do Dassault or any one else has told anything or put forward any requirements about the engine thrust and power generation for ACF/FCAS ?

Like for GCAP, each engine will generate 1MW of electrical energy.
First, we set out the operational requirement; then we devise a technical solution to meet that requirement; next, we draw up a probable estimate of the power consumption required; then we add a margin to cope with any unexpected issues; and finally, we tell Safran what to do. Trappier said that the ACF will be smaller than the NGF, so I imagine he is currently going through this whole process again.
 
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Although few details of the ACF have so far been disclosed, Trappier says it “will be smaller than we expected with the NGF”.

Power will likely come from a further evolution of the Safran Aircraft Engines M88, beyond the T-Rex variant currently in development for the F5-standard Rafale. This raises thrust, with an afterburner, to around 21,000lbf (95kN), up from 17,000lbf currently.

If this means France is giving up on creating a next-gen core, that's disappointing news.

Right now it appears they're basically aiming for a Rafale-sized jet but with internal weapon bays, technological advancements & an upgraded M88++ core. This will be less expensive to develop compared to a larger air superiority-focused jet with a 6th gen engine, but there will also be a significant capability penalty when compared with likes of GCAP, F-47 or Chinese J-XDS especially in the A2A department and also in future EW potential.

This may suit France's projected needs sufficiently, but I don't see this being well suited for IAF's requirements.

The GCAP might actually be more suitable as the future MKI replacement. Too bad they already got too many cooks in that kitchen (plus no naval variant planned).

We may have a make a N-AMCA after all.
 
If this means France is giving up on creating a next-gen core, that's disappointing news.

Right now it appears they're basically aiming for a Rafale-sized jet but with internal weapon bays, technological advancements & an upgraded M88++ core. This will be less expensive to develop compared to a larger air superiority-focused jet with a 6th gen engine, but there will also be a significant capability penalty when compared with likes of GCAP, F-47 or Chinese J-XDS especially in the A2A department and also in future EW potential.

This may suit France's projected needs sufficiently, but I don't see this being well suited for IAF's requirements.

The GCAP might actually be more suitable as the future MKI replacement. Too bad they already got too many cooks in that kitchen (plus no naval variant planned).

We may have a make a N-AMCA after all.
Yes, but ‘beyond the T-Rex variant’ could mean, for example, a variable dilution rate, which was difficult to get accepted in a collaborative setting but is a cost-effective way of achieving almost the same result within a national context.