Man Portable Anti-Tank Guided Missile (MPATGM) Developments : Updates & Discussions

Coming to the crux - OEMs who have active, deployed systems have the following set of advantages:

QAP/BoM frozen and certified (there should be no doubts regarding this aspect). Low failure rate; issues are usually doctrinal fit. Proven performance specs (Field Evaluation). A mature system that is already deployed/in service stands ready on a gargantuan pile of paperwork and real world deployment data. Hence, the ease for them when it comes to immediate procurement requirements.
 
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Shan said:
Coming to the crux - OEMs who have active, deployed systems have the following set of advantages:

QAP/BoM frozen and certified (there should be no doubts regarding this aspect). Low failure rate; issues are usually doctrinal fit. Proven performance specs (Field Evaluation). A mature system that is already deployed/in service stands ready on a gargantuan pile of paperwork and real world deployment data. Hence, the ease for them when it comes to immediate procurement requirements.
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But in the guise of op readiness, foreign product maturity, we cannot let indigenous programs languish forever. Funds, oversight, transparency need to be brought to the testing and induction of indigenous platforms while buying only a few of imported items. Sindoor made it clear what happens when we rely on imported silver bullets like Meteors and Rafales instead of indigenous mass produced and networked solutions. That Astra series BVRMs have not been produced in numbers despite a program start in 1989 is a near shameful thing. Same goes for other systems.

Continuous use through deployed military status is also a important way of refining and readying a weapons use for the battlefield not only letting it languish through user trials and then firing it once every few months or years for ops.
 
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But in the guise of op readiness, foreign product maturity, we cannot let indigenous programs languish forever. Funds, oversight, transparency need to be brought to the testing and induction of indigenous platforms while buying only a few of imported items. Sindoor made it clear what happens when we rely on imported silver bullets like Meteors and Rafales instead of indigenous mass produced and networked solutions. That Astra series BVRMs have not been produced in numbers despite a program start in 1989 is a near shameful thing. Same goes for other systems.

Continuous use through deployed military status is also a important way of refining and readying a weapons use for the battlefield not only letting it languish through user trials and then firing it once every few months or years for ops.
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Agreed. Let's see how things move. Political will should be a good start. However, it is not everything. Reforms are harder to implement than I thought earlier. My interaction with Marich and Ashwin have made me realise that saying things are 'bad' would be an understatement.

We've deviated from the thread purpose. Hope things become better.
 
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That Astra series BVRMs have not been produced in numbers despite a program start in 1989 is a near shameful thing. Same goes for other systems.
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This part is debatable. original astra spec was 45-50km. It has gradually evolved as did its enabling tech, sensors, seeker, the gyro stabilizing mechanism which is incredibly hard to make. Only a few companies world over make such precision parts. So as an user you get choice of mass procuring a product with lesser spec legroom and later have a problem to upgrade those to modern standard which would easily double the cost. Now Astra mk1 being made in good nos but each batch will have some obsolence of parts no doubt. Therefore small to mid sized batch wise induction is practical.

A high heap of stock is never ideal, it creates problem in the long run. Inventory management & capacity expansion are two vital parts of the whole process, along with supply chain management. Each element dictates the outcome or intake of the overall process whichever way you want to look. Building a decent inventory is that process. In our line of work, we let the compounding do the work, not massive one time input. You will never be able to justify one huge shot thru risk analysis.

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Continuous use through deployed military status is also a important way of refining and readying a weapons use for the battlefield not only letting it languish through user trials and then firing it once every few months or years for ops.
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Astra will be going through this process, mk1 is doing this already. We got to consider the huge multi sourced jets in IAF disposal, it will take time to integrate with the intended platform. First gen established system does get this issue because it is carried by another carrier which we did not make before either. Over the time, it should stabilise across multi platform.
 
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MP-ATGM developed by the DRDO for the Indian Army will see induction in significant numbers, defence sources told ANI.

As per the proposal, the Indian Army will get 100 launchers along with 2300 missiles and five simulators for the weapon system to be produced by Bharat Dynamics Limited as the production agency for the Indigenously Designed, Developed and Manufactured system.

The Defence Ministry will also work towards finding new production partners in the private sector for the weapon system and the project cost is expected to be over Rs 2,600 crore.
 
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ShiroBarks said:
MP-ATGM developed by the DRDO for the Indian Army will see induction in significant numbers, defence sources told ANI.

As per the proposal, the Indian Army will get 100 launchers along with 2300 missiles and five simulators for the weapon system to be produced by Bharat Dynamics Limited as the production agency for the Indigenously Designed, Developed and Manufactured system.

The Defence Ministry will also work towards finding new production partners in the private sector for the weapon system and the project cost is expected to be over Rs 2,600 crore.
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Only DAC clearance keeps coming, but contracts are never signed. Probably lakhs of crores of systems which are stuck between DAC and CCS.
 
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More MPATGM media

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I am surprised that the MP-ATGM features a uncooled IR seeker.
Are we sure about that?

Because various news outlets claim the system has a uncooled IIR seeker with which it has been test fired multiple times.

www.janes.com

India conducts ‘third-generation' MPATGM trials

India's Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) has conducted flight tests of its ‘third-generation fire-and-forget' manportable anti-tank guided missile...
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