Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Ah icic, its like how we used the ISRO scramjet as a pillar to develop our HGV and military scramjet. Makes sense to have a single adaptable system.
Theoretically yes although HVG case is a little different, there is not much difference technically between Agni 2 & modern hgv operation except from design of lower L/D to a much improved higher L/D ratio based design & control guidance law.

Missile systems propulsion wise are generally categorised as all boost, boost sustain or all sustain. These are of various speed regime & active propulsion time based on certain primary constraints. HGV system fall in the first category with high peak velocity attained at the desired altitude quickly, then by using aerodynamic lift generated at such peak velocity in the atmospheric level it glide for a long way while maintaining control. The scarmjet allow for a lower altitude flight and for a longer duration like the boost sustain mode. Since the Earth is round with an atmosphere around it, the lower you can fly along the curvature at higher speed by withstanding the aerodynamic drag induced heating effect the better.

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the primary constraints for missile design are the below

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Unknown origin Brochure of ER-ASR Anti Submarine Rocket
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Extended range anti submarine rocket for RBU 6000 ER-ASR

Aim / Objective :
To increase the range of existing RGB 60 rockets from 5.3 km to 8.5 km keeping external configuration, mass and launch system identical to RGB 60 rocket system and development of electronic time fuze for ER-ASR

Specifications / Salient Features :
• Role : Anti submarine warfare
• User : Indian Navy
• Size / calibre : 212 mm Length : 1830 mm
• Launcher : RBU 6000 / IRL
• Propulsion system : Twin rocket motor
• Warhead : Underwater Blast explosion with insensitive HE composition
• Maximum range : 8.5 km

Technologies Developed / Achievements :
• New propulsion system for Aft and Fore
• Flow formed rocket motor tubes
• New ignition system (ignitors)
• IM complaint underwater Blast Warhead
• Electronic time fuze instead of YDB 60 fuze
• Max range achieved successfully

ER-ASR Brochure from Defence Expo 2022

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EXTENDED RANGE ANTI-SUBMARINE ROCKET (ER ASR)

• Extended Range Anti Submarine Rocket (ER ASR) is a single stage, fin stabilized, solid propellant powered Rocket System
• Calibre : 212 mm
• Length: 1850 mm
• Mass: 113.5 Kg
• Max Range : 8+ Km in Ballistic 2 mode (Long Range Firing Mode), 3+ Km in Ballistic 1 mode (Short Range Firing Mode)
• Time of flight : 45 sec in Ballistic 2 mode, 27 sec in Ballistic 1 mode
 
Unknown Origin DRDO STAR (Supersonic TARget) Missile Brochure (My guess Defence Expo 2022 or Aero India 2023)
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• Range : 55 - 175 km
• Altitudes : 10 -10000 m
• Speed : 1.8 - 2.5 Mach
• Flight Time : 50 - 200 s
• RCS : 0.2 - 1.9 m² (S,C,X,Ku)
• Latax (g) : 3 g at 10 km (Lateral Acceleration)
• Payload : Miss Distance lndicator
• Launch Platform : Ship/Ground
• Shelf Life : 10 Years
• Temp Bracket : +5 to +55°
• Catapult Launch System
• Liquid Ramjet

Unknown Origin Slide on DRDO STAR (Supersonic TARget) Missile
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Supersonic TARget (STAR)
• Anti AWACS & Anti Radiation Missiles to be launched from LCA Tejas
• STAR 01 proved catapult system and canister configuration

Unknown Origin DRDO STAR (Supersonic TARget) Missile Brochure
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AI Enhanced Version of the above image
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Target Specifications
• Range : 55 - 175 km
• Altitudes : 10 -10000 m
• Speed : 1.8 - 2.5 Mach
• Flight Time : 50 - 200 s
• RCS : 0.2 - 1.9 m² (S,C,X,Ku)
• Latax (g) : 3 g at 10 km (Lateral Acceleration)
• Payload : Miss Distance lndicator
• Launch Platform : Ship/Ground
• Shelf Life : 10 Years
• Temp Bracket : +5 to +55° C

Enabling Technologies
• Catapult Launch System
• Liquid Ramjet

Current Status
Configuration Finalised
• Design of Airframe, Avionics, Booster, Ramjet Completed
• Prototype System under development

Future Spin-off
• Anti AWACS & Anti Radiation Missiles to be launched from LCA Tejas

Unknown Origin Schematics of possibly the STAR missile
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Unknown Origin DRDO STAR (Supersonic TARget) Missile Brochure (My guess Defence Expo 2022 or Aero India 2023)
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• Range : 55 - 175 km
• Altitudes : 10 -10000 m
• Speed : 1.8 - 2.5 Mach
• Flight Time : 50 - 200 s
• RCS : 0.2 - 1.9 m² (S,C,X,Ku)
• Latax (g) : 3 g at 10 km (Lateral Acceleration)
• Payload : Miss Distance lndicator
• Launch Platform : Ship/Ground
• Shelf Life : 10 Years
• Temp Bracket : +5 to +55°
• Catapult Launch System
• Liquid Ramjet

Unknown Origin Slide on DRDO STAR (Supersonic TARget) Missile
View attachment 46743
Supersonic TARget (STAR)
• Anti AWACS & Anti Radiation Missiles to be launched from LCA Tejas
• STAR 01 proved catapult system and canister configuration

Unknown Origin DRDO STAR (Supersonic TARget) Missile Brochure
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AI Enhanced Version of the above image
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Target Specifications
• Range : 55 - 175 km
• Altitudes : 10 -10000 m
• Speed : 1.8 - 2.5 Mach
• Flight Time : 50 - 200 s
• RCS : 0.2 - 1.9 m² (S,C,X,Ku)
• Latax (g) : 3 g at 10 km (Lateral Acceleration)
• Payload : Miss Distance lndicator
• Launch Platform : Ship/Ground
• Shelf Life : 10 Years
• Temp Bracket : +5 to +55° C

Enabling Technologies
• Catapult Launch System
• Liquid Ramjet

Current Status
Configuration Finalised
• Design of Airframe, Avionics, Booster, Ramjet Completed
• Prototype System under development

Future Spin-off
• Anti AWACS & Anti Radiation Missiles to be launched from LCA Tejas

Unknown Origin Schematics of possibly the STAR missile
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175 km for an Anti-AWACs variant is quite low no? It'll most prolly be extended to at least beyond the range of the astra mk3 cause it wont make any sense otherwise
 
One of the reason I think IIR seeker is not yet fully mass used is the problem associated with error free performance not yet fully realised. It is ok when you use those for interceptor role in ASAT or ABM or low subsonic, but when it comes to aerial engagement within the atmosphere or using with high kinetic missiles against ground target, the accuracy wrt gimbal based system suffer massively from the stabilisation pov, esp the navigation also being SDINS or dual redundant nav used. Had seen several papers, have to read again.

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A comparison between V-SHORAD and LMM. It seems IA went for the versatility aspect. The missile was developed from Starburst and has been in operation since 2021 (so quite recent).


AspectV-SHORAD (DRDO)Martlet (UK)
Developer/CountryDefence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), IndiaThales Air Defence, United Kingdom
Primary RoleVery short-range air defense (anti-aircraft, focused on low-altitude threats like drones and helicopters)Lightweight multirole (air-to-surface, air-to-air, surface-to-air, surface-to-surface; versatile for naval, ground, and aerial platforms)
Weight20.5 kg13 kg
Length2.00 meters1.30 meters
Maximum RangeUp to 8 kmUp to 8 km (effective range)
Warhead Weight2.0 kg (Directed Energy Blast Fragmentation)3.0 kg (high-explosive fragmentation with proximity fuse)
Guidance SystemInfrared homing with integrated miniaturized reaction control system and avionicsLaser beam riding or semi-active laser guidance
 
A comparison between V-SHORAD and LMM. It seems IA went for the versatility aspect. The missile was developed from Starburst and has been in operation since 2021 (so quite recent).


AspectV-SHORAD (DRDO)Martlet (UK)
Developer/CountryDefence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), IndiaThales Air Defence, United Kingdom
Primary RoleVery short-range air defense (anti-aircraft, focused on low-altitude threats like drones and helicopters)Lightweight multirole (air-to-surface, air-to-air, surface-to-air, surface-to-surface; versatile for naval, ground, and aerial platforms)
Weight20.5 kg13 kg
Length2.00 meters1.30 meters
Maximum RangeUp to 8 kmUp to 8 km (effective range)
Warhead Weight2.0 kg (Directed Energy Blast Fragmentation)3.0 kg (high-explosive fragmentation with proximity fuse)
Guidance SystemInfrared homing with integrated miniaturized reaction control system and avionicsLaser beam riding or semi-active laser guidance
will we still buy VSHORADS? i mean its still needed in large numbers to compliment and replace the igla no?
 
A comparison between V-SHORAD and LMM. It seems IA went for the versatility aspect. The missile was developed from Starburst and has been in operation since 2021 (so quite recent).


AspectV-SHORAD (DRDO)Martlet (UK)
Developer/CountryDefence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), IndiaThales Air Defence, United Kingdom
Primary RoleVery short-range air defense (anti-aircraft, focused on low-altitude threats like drones and helicopters)Lightweight multirole (air-to-surface, air-to-air, surface-to-air, surface-to-surface; versatile for naval, ground, and aerial platforms)
Weight20.5 kg13 kg
Length2.00 meters1.30 meters
Maximum RangeUp to 8 kmUp to 8 km (effective range)
Warhead Weight2.0 kg (Directed Energy Blast Fragmentation)3.0 kg (high-explosive fragmentation with proximity fuse)
Guidance SystemInfrared homing with integrated miniaturized reaction control system and avionicsLaser beam riding or semi-active laser guidance











This likely supersedes the MoU between Thales and BDL for license producing Starstreak in India which is a good thing.

LMM may have multiple applications but the Brits themselves don't appear to be standardizing on it just yet. They are buying more Javelin ATGMs. The IA certainly won't replace its Iglas, Milan, Spike with LMM.
 
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UK signs $468 mln deal to supply India with missiles


Jizya payment. Useless procurement.

When we have ULPGM-V3, why buy this? Make a ULPGM-V4 with SAL.

We already have SANT too.

The 8km range is for air to surface variant. Not surface to air launched role.

Half a billion wasted.

This half a billion is the difference between IAF having A330 MMRTs or not.
 
This likely supersedes the MoU between Thales and BDL for license producing Starstreak in India which is a good thing.

LMM may have multiple applications but the Brits themselves don't appear to be standardizing on it just yet. They are buying more Javelin ATGMs. The IA certainly won't replace its Iglas, Milan, Spike with LMM.
This seems to be more in line with the UK generating job opportunities to be honest. No shade on the missile but that's how it is looking like.

Jizya payment. Useless procurement.
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Jizya payment. Useless procurement.

When we have ULPGM-V3, why buy this? Make a ULPGM-V4 with SAL.

We already have SANT too.

The 8km range is for air to surface variant. Not surface to air launched role.

Half a billion wasted.

This half a billion is the difference between IAF having A330 MMRTs or not.
Our helicopters are flying without ATGM.

Zero orders for helina & dhruvastra.

Chodiji should be given belt treatment for wasting half a billion dollars on useless weapons.