Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

[marich01]

I am intrigued by the idea of both the shield & sword part. Maybe the rocket force to be linked with it as a counter-force sort of measure?
Like if you attack us, your action won't go unpunished, sort of like that. An offensive action will follow immediately?
if you test our shield, be prepared for a retaliation.

Now of course mere defence role against such an action by the adversary (neutralising any incoming enemy vector) is ever suffice if you do not take any punitive action.

 

[RationalGuy]

@Arpit made a nice thread about it today:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960231067006181578

Sir do you think this will be treated as a strategic program like IGMDP and Arihant or it will be run through the typical MoD babucracy? If the former, investing $10-15 billion over 10 years is very reasonable and 2035 deployment is realistic imo.

I am intrigued by the idea of both the shield & sword part. Maybe the rocket force to be linked with it as a counter-force sort of measure?
Like if you attack us, your action won't go unpunished, sort of like that. An offensive action will follow immediately?
if you test our shield, be prepared for a retaliation.

Now of course mere defence role against such an action by the adversary (neutralising any incoming enemy vector) is ever suffice if you do not take any punitive action.

For that we need next gen launch detection satellites, we already seem to be doing great work in the field of ground based long range radars but our space based ISR for missile detection and tracking is still very poor imo, which needs to be rectified for any sort of dome to be a reality.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Resident experts @Ashwin @marich01 @Parthu @Rajput Lion and others what exactly is the Sudarshan Chakra system announced by the PM? Is it a new AD system complete with radars and missile or an integrated network covering vast swaths of India with already developed and developing systems such as Akash, Kusha and S400? And how is it different than our IACCS? Or is possible the Sudarshan Chankra just another name for the final implementation of our BMD program?

Currently "Sudarshan Chakra" is the name assigned to S-400. I said it sometime ago that unlike traditional ADS systems, S-400 is as offensive system as any fighter jet because of its ability to turn enemy airspace into No Fly Zone due to its range.

Quite obviously PM has been impressed with S-400's "Offensive-Defense" abilities and now we're going to build a nation-wide IADS system that may even include SAMs that have a 1000kms range and guided by our space assets. Yes, you read it first here. It will also include such SAMs that could also be used against ground targets.

It is going to be very ambitious project and thanks to the determination of DRDO scientists, we're going to successfully implement it across India and even far

 

[marich01]

For that we need next gen launch detection satellites, we already seem to be doing great work in the field of ground based long range radars but our space based ISR for missile detection and tracking is still very poor imo, which needs to be rectified for any sort of dome to be a reality.

of course we would need a lot of capability enhancement for such an integrated system (or rather system of systems) which is why the whole of nation level development process is being touted. Todays report sort of make it more clear

India to begin testing new long-range interceptor missiles for defence shield next year | India News - Times of India

India News: India is set to begin testing indigenous interceptor missiles next year under Project Kusha, a key component of Mission Sudarshan Chakra. The project

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[babablacksheep]

now we're going to build a nation-wide IADS system that may even include SAMs that have a 1000kms range and guided by our space assets. Yes, you read it first here. It will also include such SAMs that could also be used against ground targets.

This family?

I think based on what is read in another forum even the current lrashm without any physical design change can be modified into a very long(~1000km) anti awacs/tanker missile, if guidance system is present.

 

[Kitsune]

Unknown origin Brochure of ER-ASR Anti Submarine Rocket


Extended range anti submarine rocket for RBU 6000 ER-ASR

Aim / Objective :
To increase the range of existing RGB 60 rockets from 5.3 km to 8.5 km keeping external configuration, mass and launch system identical to RGB 60 rocket system and development of electronic time fuze for ER-ASR

Specifications / Salient Features :
• Role : Anti submarine warfare
• User : Indian Navy
• Size / calibre : 212 mm Length : 1830 mm
• Launcher : RBU 6000 / IRL
• Propulsion system : Twin rocket motor
• Warhead : Underwater Blast explosion with insensitive HE composition
• Maximum range : 8.5 km

Technologies Developed / Achievements :
• New propulsion system for Aft and Fore
• Flow formed rocket motor tubes
• New ignition system (ignitors)
• IM complaint underwater Blast Warhead
• Electronic time fuze instead of YDB 60 fuze
• Max range achieved successfully

 

[Thunder]

Is it Prahar? 150km range and 1 ton weight.

 

[Ashwin]

Is it Prahar? 150km range and 1 ton weight.View attachment 46313

Primary customer is Navy. So, NASM-MR

 

[Prokion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968260652776169859

What does this mean ? Some test of a Hypersonic missile ?

 

[babablacksheep]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968260652776169859

What does this mean ? Some test of a Hypersonic missile ?

R2
Or
R4( if based on pralay)

 

[noister]

I have some questions

1) Astra mk1 has only been seen in wing pylons, it has ejector launchers but still never seen on intake pylons, does anyone has any pics of astra being carried under/between intakes?

2) MICA being allegedly tested from Su-30MKI, but again no pictures, does anyone has pictures for these?

3) Rudram - 2 being said to have and tested a IIR seeker, but we never got a view of the real IIR seker. any pictures for it?

 

[Speedster1]

This seems to have slipped under the radar. Looks like Sudarshan Chakra really is our equivalent of the US Golden Dome.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970515917307302151

 

[Subgradewalker]

This seems to have slipped under the radar. Looks like Sudarshan Chakra really is our equivalent of the US Golden Dome.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1970515917307302151

The immediate priority needs to be in cognitive warfare.

 

[Speedster1]

The immediate priority needs to be in cognitive warfare.

There is a Cyber Command in the works that will likely handle integrated ew+ cyber, much like China's SSF/ISF.

Overall, SC is far more comprehensive than I thought. Wonder what the near-space element might be? There were reports that one of our sats was buzzed by a hostile sat of a 'neighboring country' earlier this year.

 

[Subgradewalker]

There is a Cyber Command in the works that will likely handle integrated ew+ cyber, much like China's SSF/ISF.

Overall, SC is far more comprehensive than I thought. Wonder what the near-space element might be? There were reports that one of our sats was buzzed by a hostile sat of a 'neighboring country' earlier this year.

Near space could be HAPS in my opinion.

 

[Fatalis]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972633137474838881

 

[lmaoxd]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972633137474838881

STAR?

 

[marich01]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972633137474838881

STAR?

STAR is the supersonic target , a specific application of the overall LFRJ program.

 

[lmaoxd]

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STAR is the supersonic target , a specific application of the overall LFRJ program.

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what else do we need a LFRJ for? a r37M class missile? we alr have the astra mk3 for that? hypersonic interceptor? or a pl17 class missile for awacs and tankers?

 

[marich01]

what else do we need a LFRJ for? a r37M class missile? we alr have the astra mk3 for that? hypersonic interceptor? or a pl17 class missile for awacs and tankers?

many possible future applications. this is one of the enabling tech pillars. Other tech like multipulse rocket motor, SFDR , hybrid rocket motor, scramjet, PDE etc all are tech enabling pillars. You can scale it up or down and use as building block in a hybrid system as suitable. All types of missiles can be made Surface to air, air to surface, air to air everything. Key idea is this tech allow supersonic flight at lower altitude by using air breathing engine, so the missile need not carry oxidizer with fuel. That means weight save useful for design of good optimised long range missile system that can do cruise flight.

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Sep 3, 2020

What will be the range? Is it going to replace Brahmos(liquid-fuelled ramjet ) since it's 100% made in India product?

This is the original targeted specs of the LFRJ:

Notice the range and speed. 600km at Mach 3.2.

But here Indranil is saying the speed will be Mach 2.4. The decrease in cruising speed would mean reduced rate of fuel consumption. Which in turn means increased range. Given the fact that this is initially aimed to hit aerial targets (as AAM or SAM), the focus will be on preserving speed and ability of accelerating and changing directions fast. For an AShM...

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