Baba was talking about 15th Aug...bcz they will try some fishy before/on 15th Aug
Jammu & Kashmir live updates: GOI remove all provisions of Article 370
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Here it's not "screw the opposition because we can do anything we want," here it's "screw the opposition because they're so obsessed with opposing us that they'll stop at nothing and even damage the country's interest for political expediency."
Exaggeration. The worst that could've happened, already happened during Emergency. Taking a brave, necessary and overdue step to permanently solve Kashmir after 70+ years is not gonna be the straw that breaks the federalist camel's back.
Not just "in the name of national security," this legitimately is about national security and integrity. What I can tell you without any doubt is that this was the only step to shake things up and try to stop the very old status quo which forced us to hemorrhage God knows how many soldiers, civilians and crores of rupees over the years.
As for unintended consequences; nobody in the world can truly ever control those, the best you can do is predict and game scenarios (which the current Gvt, espc with thinkers like Shah and Doval undoubtedly must've done).
Article 1 of the constitution states that "India is a union of states". While not explicitly stating that constitution is federal, but nevertheless 'federal' is the spirit that permeates the organizing principle of the state. This means state and union are two faces of the same coin. One cannot deface the former without scarring the latter.
It is not my argument that the union government cannot reorganize a state. Like I stated earlier, Article 3 provides the rules and even though it recommends consulting the state assembly, but concurrence with the state assembly is not mandatory to go forward with the reorganization. This is not unprecedented. What is unprecedented is to reduce a state enjoying full statehood to a union territory. This is clearly against the federal spirit, because as the domicile of a state which has been demoted to union territory, the legislature that I elect is less than equal to the power enjoyed by the assemblies of full states. How can the domicile of the affected state be happy about his less than equal position, vis-a-vis domicile of other states.
Lack of Constitutional check or balance Is what this step not only unprecedented but also retrograde. Unless this action, as a result of the reorganization bill not withstanding a judicial review, is stayed by the SC there check against its future abuse.
Like a ruling party enjoying brute majority in both houses of the parliament, could impose Article 356 in any state and getaway with the murder of democracy, this reorganization bill has all the ominous signs of a new 'Article 356' in the making.
Punjab has an international border, while J an K has an unsettled boundary. There never was cross border insurgency in Punjab, with only 20000 Sikhs in Pakistan, they are an endangered specie. No, other state has seen the level of cross border insurgency that Jammu Kashmir has... Maybe you feel that losing hundreds of lives is secondary and following due process is the most important thing. The ones in power think otherwise...
Oh yes, you will shortly be getting an apology letter from Modi and Doval for not disclosing their full plan to you on solving the Kashmir problem.
As well as a confidential envelope on all the future strategic acts they are going to do but haven't disclosed them yet to you
Please keep an eye on the FedEx guy
Does anyone know why Atal ji had agreed to make LOC as a temporary border and starting people to people contact with Nawaz Shariff and Musharaff as well? I don't think Modi will do the same, but what if Pakistan does the same and recognize POK as integral part of Pakistan and LOC as IB. No jihadi tanzeem is going to protest as we have seen in last one week that no mass scale protest were held by LeT, TLP ,JeM and others.
Everything till signing the instrument of accession on Oct 26/27 1947 is okay. It was the same document signed by the other 530 odd princely states of India which the Maharaja of Kashmir also signed.
The crime on India and Kashmir started when Sheikh Abdullah acting as a proxy for the deep state of Pakistan conspired through Nehru (who was manipulated for his illicit affairs with women) to keep the Kashmir issue unsettled and disputed.
There is no parallel to this in the rest of India. Remember this ...
It’s not so much that power corrupts as that the corrupt seek power
We aspire to corrupt in order to govern ... We have taken from people all the gods of heaven and earth ... their religious faith, their faith in monarchy, their honesty and their family virtues ... - Giuseppe Mazzini, 1805-1872, Founder of Italian Freemasonry and the Mafia
Border management is always a central subject, be it IB or LoC /LAC. If any state suffers from cross border terrorism then lacuna is with the central government. The dezstates should be blamed for the the inefficiency of the central government.
P:S - my friend I'm not if you are old enough, but the news headlines about Punjab, in the late 80's and 90’s , in the papers(electronic media was limited to Doordarshan) made for equally grim reading.
Save your sarcasm, I get plenty of it from my better half. If you have a serious argument to make, I'm all ears for it.
That's only temporary, they will get full state hood soon.
It is SC proof, unless Hon'ble judges go ultra vires there is not much they can do.
There is no penalization by this bill, only to remove special status, J&K was not first among equals as you said, it was first then the secondary Indian states. The bill only removes that status, as far as making it a UT goes it's more of a temporary provision to streamline the process, once they adapt to system UT serves no purpose and will be removed.
Contrary to grim picture of some imaginary threat to federalism from Modi government, they have actually worked more for decentralization and inclusion of states in decision making. Removal of planning commission that shoved the whatever center decides to states and replacing it with NITI Aayog where states have their say and participation, similarly GST council which includes states voice, strengthening 3rd tier of governance (village panchayat and municipalities), including Kejriwal into NITI Aayog instead of Lt. Governor, I have little doubt that J&K will remain UT for long.
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If a bilateral accord can be arrived at, converting the current LoC (including the current position in siachen)into a IB will likely be the minimalist position of the the Indian government. We are not sure what Modi governments thought are on this position, but I doubt it is not inclined to such an understanding.
Bhai, aap hi bole ... "They did mention revoking Article 370 in their manifesto and I don't have any objection to that"
Statehood will be restored once the security threat to the country ends. So we may see J&K becoming a state after all territories of the said 'state' are restored within the Indian Union. It makes sense for the centre to control the state until peace comes back to the state.
Just like Article 370 was a temporary provision, the current UT status is also temporary. Now how long reversing that will take, who knows?
They say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I agree Abdullahs have done a massive disservice to our nation.
Till 2015, the possibility of acceptance of LC as an IB was there. Now? No more. Vacation of PoJ&K is the stand and that is non-negotiable now.
My blood boils on that. One has seen people becoming refugees in their own country. That is why i said "(am not even going to morality - as then we have to look at the morality of throwing kashmiri pandits out - who were as much kashmiri as any of those stone pelters today)". Kashmiris have NO moral high ground - THAT was the point that I infer with that.
On the guarantee - the inclusion is the guarantee. There is nothing in constitution that cannot be amended by our parliament. However there is a method to it. The court cases will come on the technicality of that plus The effects that the 1953 voting did to 370 (which was the biggest deceit by J&K govt). The only thing that compares to that deceit is the agreement to the provision by Nehru, while Sardar Patel was travelling. Another story for another day.
Oh, the pressure on Pakistani Army leadership is tremendous. The effect of their own propaganda to paint a superior force 'defeating' India's 'aggression' is going to do them in. If they are not publicly protesting, what do you think is the social media representation of videos and news of civilians being armed indicates?