Ghatak and Rustom Indigenous UAV Programs

Pretty glad they're already looking to the future...the dimensions of this Wingman seem pretty similar to the Kratos XQ-58A Valkyrie intended for USAF...

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Partnership with the private sector startup NewSpace (NS) is a welcome move. From what I understand, NS has had an important hand in preliminary design.

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The Valkyrie concept for comparison - I would say the design is heavily inspired by this, would have been similar if not for the wings, which are noticeably different (not from this pic of Valkyrie, look it up), and the Valkyrie is bigger.

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Pretty glad they're already looking to the future...the dimensions of this Wingman seem pretty similar to the Kratos XQ-58A Valkyrie intended for USAF...

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Partnership with the private sector startup NewSpace (NS) is a welcome move. From what I understand, NS has had an important hand in preliminary design.

AERO INDIA: Private firm promotes stealth UCAV, swarming drones

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The Valkyrie concept for comparison - I would say the design is heavily inspired by this, would have been similar if not for the wings, which are noticeably different (not from this pic of Valkyrie, look it up), and the Valkyrie is bigger.

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800Km range is too less. It should at least be double that. And the speed should at least be mach 0.85.
 
Pretty glad they're already looking to the future...the dimensions of this Wingman seem pretty similar to the Kratos XQ-58A Valkyrie intended for USAF...

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Partnership with the private sector startup NewSpace (NS) is a welcome move. From what I understand, NS has had an important hand in preliminary design.

AERO INDIA: Private firm promotes stealth UCAV, swarming drones

@randomradio @vstol Jockey @Falcon @BMD @Picdelamirand-oil @halloweene @R!cK

The Valkyrie concept for comparison - I would say the design is heavily inspired by this, would have been similar if not for the wings, which are noticeably different (not from this pic of Valkyrie, look it up), and the Valkyrie is bigger.

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It reminds me of the Barracuda uav that appeared a while ago. Hopefully it ends up more successful.

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Next Manned Fighter Years Away, India’s Big Drone In 8 Months

The bloodletting over India’s next piloted fighter has become a show staple at Aero India, and this year wasn’t going to be any different. From the world’s largest aviation and defence manufacturers sparring on social media, to an underdog resurrecting its presence with an unusual media blitzkrieg, the big focus at Aero India 2019 was always expected to be India’s biggest and most ambitious defence procurement venture. But tucked away in a corner of the sprawling courtyard between the display halls, almost demurely out of plain sight, is an aircraft that is not only already built in India, but will be in the hands of the armed forces in less than eight months.

With 53 flights across six airframes at a sprawling 2,600 acre aviation test facility in Chitradurga test facility about 200 km from Bengaluru, India’s high performance Rustom-2 drone, designed to remain in the air for up to 24 hours, will be officially handed over to the Indian Air Force, Navy and Army this October for a crucial six month user trial phase that will stretch till March 2020.

Specifically developed for medium altitude lone endurance (MALE) flight, the Predator-sized drone is being developed in two specific variants — a standard surveillance model sporting an electro-optical payload with synthetic aperture radar for the Army and IAF requirement, and a naval variant that comes fitted with a maritime patrol radar. Livefist can confirm that air force and army drone pilots are already at Chitradurga getting a feel of the Rustom-2 before user trials kick in later this year.

The Indian armed forces currently operate the Israeli IAI Heron for long endurance drone duties both over land and sea, and has recently contracted for more, including an armed version. The Rustom-2 will mirror the Heron’s capabilities in many ways — while Indian sensor systems are under trial, the test airframes of the Rustom-2 all use Israeli electro-optical systems for the development phase. These will be progressively replaced with Indian systems when ready.

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The Rustom-2 is currently capable of operations up to 300 km away from its control center with UHF and C-band links, and much longer away with SATCOM, still under test. Data links have proven — and will prove — to be the greatest challenge facing the Rustom-2 program in the journey to opening up its full stated potential. The user trials will involve rigorous testing of the drone’s long range autonomous flight over land and sea. Livefist can confirm that the drone has so far had flights with a maximum endurance of 16 hours, though this was only owing to test requirements — the 24 hours endurance parameter is a given.

The Rustom-2 comes up at a time when India has been cleared to procure 22 General Atomics MQ-9B SeaGuardian/SkyGuardian surveillance drones for the Indian Navy, with the Trump Administration also expected to clear India for a sale of Avenger armed drones. While pressure from the United States is high to complete a sale quickly, it isn’t likely to happen before next year.

The armed forces believe there is more than enough place for both ready, high performance drones from abroad, as well as the progressively improved, low-risk Rustom-2 that can be procured in large numbers and deployed across the country. The services believe that it is crucial for the country’s ‘drone dependence’ — as they put it — is decreased, especially since future capabilities of such platforms will necessarily need to stretch into signal intelligence and communication intelligence (SIGINT/COMINT) territory. In October a complex journey begins to stretching the Rustom-2 out — and it is this beginning that is sometimes frustratingly elusive in indigenous development.

“The Rustom-2 will come to us this October and we will embark on a capability discovery and user trial exercise that is crucial to our requirements. The requirement for long endurance surveillance is very high. While we have the P-8Is and Dorniers, the paradigm of maritime surveillance needs to shift in a significant way to unmanned systems given our enormous maritime area of responsibility,” an Indian Navy officer who will be part of the user trials told Livefist.

An Indian Air Force officer familiar with developments on the program said, “This is a long term program of high importance. The crucial aspect is that it is a low cost and low maintenance product with an impressive range of demonstrable features. We have been impressed with it so far and are looking forward to seeing what else it can do. I am quite certain it can be an armed platform later on. The game changer will be the SATCOM link that is proposed.

The Rustom-2, as Livefist has reported earlier, is almost certain to spawn an armed version, though this is likely to be a far more complex exercise that will come later. Scientists say, however, that as the sensors and navigation-attack systems mature over the course of the next two years, a clearer picture will emerge on what kinds of offensive payloads will be possible on the Rustom-2. An extended range version of the HELINA (titled SANT) is one possibility, said a member of the team that Livefist spoke to at the show.

India’s secretive Ghatak flying wing stealth UCAV — detailed here on Livefist — is also under design and wind tunnel test by the DRDO, with new images emerging at the Aero India show (below). The Ghatak is yoked technologically to India’s AMCA stealth jet concept development effort at virtually every level, with progress likely to be linked with that program. Indications on timelines could be extracted from this detailed interview Livefist conducted with the director of the AMCA program yesterday.

 
Not bad. Within 2 years, we may see the induction of Rustom-2. With this, we will have our first Reaper equivalent drone, with SATCOM and weapons.

This will be followed up by the Avenger drone, 100 for the air force and 10 each for the army and navy, plus many more to follow. These two UAV/UCAVs will become our workhorses. There's the navy's 22 Guardians as well and the air force's Israeli Eitan.

We will be set on the UAV/UCAV front for the foreseeable future with these acquisitions.
 
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Guys you should see this. I found a graphical render of the proposed HAL/NewSpace Unmanned Wingman. I've resisted posting it so far because I assumed it was some fanboy stuff. But it was put out by a former IAF and now HAL test pilot. This guy is no uninformed fanboy. Here it is :


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Weapons :

It seems to be armed with at least 4 DRDO Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon(SAAW). 2 internal & 2 external(1 not visible from this angle).
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The internal payload will probably use a scaled down version of DRDO's single rack ejection system for SAAW which was designed to carry 4 SAAW instead of 2.
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This is one of the graphic poster released by HAL/NewSpace during AeroIndia 2019 :
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There is a discrepancy on that poster. The payload capacity is set at 250 kg. Each SAAW weighs 125 kg, so how can a drone with 250 kg payload capacity carry 4 of them ? Unless the 250 kg payload capacity given here is for internal carriage only, in which case it make sense.

Also the focus on carrying SAAW would seem to indicate an emphasis on SEAD/DEAD Ops. Not suprising given the dangers associated with these missions. Commanders would want to take humans out of these missions as much as possible, an stealthy well-networked UCAV is the way to go.

Engine :

Of course the weakest link in any of our air-breathing flying machine projects is the engine. So let's examine this closely.

The wingman in the graphic render seems to be powered by(as was previously reported) 2 HAL PTAE-7 turbojet engine(3.73 KN thrust). The HAL designed and manufactured PTAE-7 has been in continuous production since December 2000 and has proven to be a very reliable engine. In all these years of service the engine has never failed to deliver.
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Initially designed for the Lakshya PTA, the engine has been chosen to power the under development Abhyas HEAT which is going to replace to British made Banshee target drone.
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This is what ADE had to say about the PTAE-7's test flights in a document dated November 2006. Keep in mind these specs are dated and there has been significant improvement in the engines performance since it entered service. For example the weight of the engine today is about 65 kg instead of 69 kg which would obviously increase engine TWR.
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Also the engine back in 2006 had and endurance of 20 max duration flights of the Lakshya PTA(30+ minutes). That has been increased significantly owing largely to breakthroughs in material research. Case in point the Abhyas HEAT has a max flight duration of 45+ minutes.

Each engine has a service life of more than (20x45)=900 min= 15 hrs. Even without any improvements we'd have the following numbers :
Targeted maximum flight duration for the HAL wingman= 80 minutes= (80/60)= 1.33 hrs.
Number of flights before needing an engine replacement= (15/1.33)= 11.27 flights ~11 flights

This is of course assuming there has been no improvements to the endurance cycles of the engine and that the drone flies maximum duration flights every time its launched. None of these assumptions are true and with proper maintenance practices the average number of flights before engine replacements can be pushed up further.

Also since the production line for the engine has been running since the early 2000s and given the service record of the engine I wouldn't be surprised if the ground staff are experienced with the ins and outs of the engine design, maintenance, replacement and if possible repairs. Experience of this kind would normally take years of training and operational usage to acquire. I am also not concerned about spares and services, tooling etc. as these things are always a concern with brand new production lines.

Now for the negatives. The MTOW of the wingman is targeted at 1,300 kg using two engines, the Lakshya PTA is approx 705 kg MTOW. Calculating overall TWR we have :

For Lakshya PTA : TWR= (3.73x1000)Newtons/(705x9.81)Newtons= 0.506
For HAL Unmanned wingman : TWR=(2x3.73x1000)Newtons/(1300x9.81)Newtons= 0.58496 ~ 0.585

A thrust to weight ratio of 0.585 is not that good really especially given the environment in which its meant to work. Needless to say it won't be dodging any SAMs or AAMs or at the right altitude even MANPADS. Incidents like the recent shoot down of the US drone by the Iranians might become our future. But for what its worth, it will have comparable maneuverability to an BAE Hawk. Quite the achievement !

There is of course the efficiency problem. The PTAE-7 is a turbojet, at subsonic speeds it will always be less efficient than a comparable turbofan. Problem is there is no comparable turbofan with us. The one that comes close is the Manik turbofan, but the Manik engine along with its auxiliaries will weigh around 130 kg each, which is twice the weight of the PTAE-7. There would be gain in thrust too(3.73 KN to 4.25KN) but it is not significant enough to justify such an increase in weight. The IAF after all, care more about TWR than efficiency.
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On the other hand we came across this from January last year as Saurav Jha reported(DRDO And NAL Collaborate On A New Small Turbojet For UCAV Applications | Delhi Defence Review) :

Small Gas Turbine Jet Engine (SGTJE) collaborative project by DRDO’s Research Centre Imarat (RCI), Hyderabad and the Propulsion Division of the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bengaluru.

"detailed design of a turbojet engine of 275 kgf class as per RCI specification and development drawings for components and prototype engine for ground tests considering flight mounting, fuel flow control, pyro starting, alternator and QT/AT testing requirements in participation of RCI. Efforts are to be made by RCI/NAL to realize components for functional testing based on preliminary design to verify the design analysis before closure of the present project. Based on the functional testing & design analysis, prototype engine and components drawings are to be finalized for ground testing."

The broad parameters for the SGTJE are given below:
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With the requirements specified above in mind, NAL’s Propulsion Division will assist RCI in the following:

"Detailed design of turbojet engine is to be carried out meeting RCI specifications and qualification/acceptance requirements for airborne engine start for UCAV applications. Based on the literature survey & engine cycle analysis, engine configuration will be arrived at, using centrifugal/mixed flow compressor and axial turbine. After configuring the engine, the components like compressor, combustor, turbine, nozzle, bearings & seals, and rotor dynamic design and analysis will be carried out to meet the design and
qualification requirements. Based on the components structural & CFD
analysis, design optimization & redesign will be carried out."

Interesting times ahead.:)

Sensors :

There is a forward mounted radar which is most likely going to be a smaller lighter version of the UTTAM AESA radar. For some reason the render of the radar posted above reminded me of this :
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Phase shifter array assembly of the Ragendra radar used in Akash SAM system.

For a drone this size it is disappointing to see no EO payload onboard this thing.
 
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Guys you should see this. I found a graphical render of the proposed HAL/NewSpace Unmanned Wingman. I've resisted posting it so far because I assumed it was some fanboy stuff. But it was put out by a former IAF and now HAL test pilot. This guy is no uninformed fanboy. Here it is :


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Weapons :

It seems to be armed with at least 4 DRDO Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon(SAAW). 2 internal & 2 external(1 not visible from this angle).
View attachment 7760

The internal payload will probably use a scaled down version of DRDO's single rack ejection system for SAAW which was designed to carry 4 SAAW instead of 2.
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This is one of the graphic poster released by HAL/NewSpace during AeroIndia 2019 :
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There is a discrepancy on that poster. The payload capacity is set at 250 kg. Each SAAW weighs 125 kg, so how can a drone with 250 kg payload capacity carry 4 of them ? Unless the 250 kg payload capacity given here is for internal carriage only, in which case it make sense.

Also the focus on carrying SAAW would seem to indicate an emphasis on SEAD/DEAD Ops. Not suprising given the dangers associated with these missions. Commanders would want to take humans out of these missions as much as possible, an stealthy well-networked UCAV is the way to go.

Engine :

Of course the weakest link in any of our air-breathing flying machine projects is the engine. So let's examine this closely.

The wingman in the graphic render seems to be powered by(as was previously reported) 2 HAL PTAE-7 turbojet engine(3.73 KN thrust). The HAL designed and manufactured PTAE-7 has been in continuous production since December 2000 and has proven to be a very reliable engine. In all these years of service the engine has never failed to deliver.
View attachment 7755
Initially designed for the Lakshya PTA, the engine has been chosen to power the under development Abhyas HEAT which is going to replace to British made Banshee target drone.
View attachment 7762

This is what ADE had to say about the PTAE-7's test flights in a document dated November 2006. Keep in mind these specs are dated and there has been significant improvement in the engines performance since it entered service. For example the weight of the engine today is about 65 kg instead of 69 kg which would obviously increase engine TWR.
View attachment 7754
Also the engine back in 2006 had and endurance of 20 max duration flights of the Lakshya PTA(30+ minutes). That has been increased significantly owing largely to breakthroughs in material research. Case in point the Abhyas HEAT has a max flight duration of 45+ minutes.

Each engine has a service life of more than (20x45)=900 min= 15 hrs. Even without any improvements we'd have the following numbers :
Targeted maximum flight duration for the HAL wingman= 80 minutes= (80/60)= 1.33 hrs.
Number of flights before needing an engine replacement= (15/1.33)= 11.27 flights ~11 flights

This is of course assuming there has been no improvements to the endurance cycles of the engine and that the drone flies maximum duration flights every time its launched. None of these assumptions are true and with proper maintenance practices the average number of flights before engine replacements can be pushed up further.

Also since the production line for the engine has been running since the early 2000s and given the service record of the engine I wouldn't be surprised if the ground staff are experienced with the ins and outs of the engine design, maintenance, replacement and if possible repairs. Experience of this kind would normally take years of training and operational usage to acquire. I am also not concerned about spares and services, tooling etc. as these things are always a concern with brand new production lines.

Now for the negatives. The MTOW of the wingman is targeted at 1,300 kg using two engines, the Lakshya PTA is approx 705 kg MTOW. Calculating overall TWR we have :

For Lakshya PTA : TWR= (3.73x1000)Newtons/(705x9.81)Newtons= 0.506
For HAL Unmanned wingman : TWR=(2x3.73x1000)Newtons/(1300x9.81)Newtons= 0.58496 ~ 0.585

A thrust to weight ratio of 0.585 is not that good really especially given the environment in which its meant to work. Needless to say it won't be dodging any SAMs or AAMs or at the right altitude even MANPADS. Incidents like the recent shoot down of the US drone by the Iranians might become our future. But for what its worth, it will have comparable maneuverability to an BAE Hawk. Quite the achievement !

There is of course the efficiency problem. The PTAE-7 is a turbojet, at subsonic speeds it will always be less efficient than a comparable turbofan. Problem is there is no comparable turbofan with us. The one that comes close is the Manik turbofan, but the Manik engine along with its auxiliaries will weigh around 130 kg each, which is twice the weight of the PTAE-7. There would be gain in thrust too(3.73 KN to 4.25KN) but it is not significant enough to justify such an increase in weight. The IAF after all, care more about TWR than efficiency.
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On the other hand we came across this from January last year as Saurav Jha reported(DRDO And NAL Collaborate On A New Small Turbojet For UCAV Applications | Delhi Defence Review) :

Small Gas Turbine Jet Engine (SGTJE) collaborative project by DRDO’s Research Centre Imarat (RCI), Hyderabad and the Propulsion Division of the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bengaluru.

"detailed design of a turbojet engine of 275 kgf class as per RCI specification and development drawings for components and prototype engine for ground tests considering flight mounting, fuel flow control, pyro starting, alternator and QT/AT testing requirements in participation of RCI. Efforts are to be made by RCI/NAL to realize components for functional testing based on preliminary design to verify the design analysis before closure of the present project. Based on the functional testing & design analysis, prototype engine and components drawings are to be finalized for ground testing."

The broad parameters for the SGTJE are given below:
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With the requirements specified above in mind, NAL’s Propulsion Division will assist RCI in the following:

"Detailed design of turbojet engine is to be carried out meeting RCI specifications and qualification/acceptance requirements for airborne engine start for UCAV applications. Based on the literature survey & engine cycle analysis, engine configuration will be arrived at, using centrifugal/mixed flow compressor and axial turbine. After configuring the engine, the components like compressor, combustor, turbine, nozzle, bearings & seals, and rotor dynamic design and analysis will be carried out to meet the design and
qualification requirements. Based on the components structural & CFD
analysis, design optimization & redesign will be carried out."


Interesting times ahead.:)

Sensors :

There is a forward mounted radar which is most likely going to be a smaller lighter version of the UTTAM AESA radar. For some reason the render of the radar posted above reminded me of this :
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Phase shifter array assembly of the Ragendra radar used in Akash SAM system.

For a drone this size it is disappointing to see no EO payload onboard this thing.
 
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Guys you should see this. I found a graphical render of the proposed HAL/NewSpace Unmanned Wingman. I've resisted posting it so far because I assumed it was some fanboy stuff. But it was put out by a former IAF and now HAL test pilot. This guy is no uninformed fanboy. Here it is :


View attachment 7753

Weapons :

It seems to be armed with at least 4 DRDO Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon(SAAW). 2 internal & 2 external(1 not visible from this angle).
View attachment 7760

The internal payload will probably use a scaled down version of DRDO's single rack ejection system for SAAW which was designed to carry 4 SAAW instead of 2.
View attachment 7756


This is one of the graphic poster released by HAL/NewSpace during AeroIndia 2019 :
View attachment 7757
There is a discrepancy on that poster. The payload capacity is set at 250 kg. Each SAAW weighs 125 kg, so how can a drone with 250 kg payload capacity carry 4 of them ? Unless the 250 kg payload capacity given here is for internal carriage only, in which case it make sense.

Also the focus on carrying SAAW would seem to indicate an emphasis on SEAD/DEAD Ops. Not suprising given the dangers associated with these missions. Commanders would want to take humans out of these missions as much as possible, an stealthy well-networked UCAV is the way to go.

Engine :

Of course the weakest link in any of our air-breathing flying machine projects is the engine. So let's examine this closely.

The wingman in the graphic render seems to be powered by(as was previously reported) 2 HAL PTAE-7 turbojet engine(3.73 KN thrust). The HAL designed and manufactured PTAE-7 has been in continuous production since December 2000 and has proven to be a very reliable engine. In all these years of service the engine has never failed to deliver.
View attachment 7755
Initially designed for the Lakshya PTA, the engine has been chosen to power the under development Abhyas HEAT which is going to replace to British made Banshee target drone.
View attachment 7762

This is what ADE had to say about the PTAE-7's test flights in a document dated November 2006. Keep in mind these specs are dated and there has been significant improvement in the engines performance since it entered service. For example the weight of the engine today is about 65 kg instead of 69 kg which would obviously increase engine TWR.
View attachment 7754
Also the engine back in 2006 had and endurance of 20 max duration flights of the Lakshya PTA(30+ minutes). That has been increased significantly owing largely to breakthroughs in material research. Case in point the Abhyas HEAT has a max flight duration of 45+ minutes.

Each engine has a service life of more than (20x45)=900 min= 15 hrs. Even without any improvements we'd have the following numbers :
Targeted maximum flight duration for the HAL wingman= 80 minutes= (80/60)= 1.33 hrs.
Number of flights before needing an engine replacement= (15/1.33)= 11.27 flights ~11 flights

This is of course assuming there has been no improvements to the endurance cycles of the engine and that the drone flies maximum duration flights every time its launched. None of these assumptions are true and with proper maintenance practices the average number of flights before engine replacements can be pushed up further.

Also since the production line for the engine has been running since the early 2000s and given the service record of the engine I wouldn't be surprised if the ground staff are experienced with the ins and outs of the engine design, maintenance, replacement and if possible repairs. Experience of this kind would normally take years of training and operational usage to acquire. I am also not concerned about spares and services, tooling etc. as these things are always a concern with brand new production lines.

Now for the negatives. The MTOW of the wingman is targeted at 1,300 kg using two engines, the Lakshya PTA is approx 705 kg MTOW. Calculating overall TWR we have :

For Lakshya PTA : TWR= (3.73x1000)Newtons/(705x9.81)Newtons= 0.506
For HAL Unmanned wingman : TWR=(2x3.73x1000)Newtons/(1300x9.81)Newtons= 0.58496 ~ 0.585

A thrust to weight ratio of 0.585 is not that good really especially given the environment in which its meant to work. Needless to say it won't be dodging any SAMs or AAMs or at the right altitude even MANPADS. Incidents like the recent shoot down of the US drone by the Iranians might become our future. But for what its worth, it will have comparable maneuverability to an BAE Hawk. Quite the achievement !

There is of course the efficiency problem. The PTAE-7 is a turbojet, at subsonic speeds it will always be less efficient than a comparable turbofan. Problem is there is no comparable turbofan with us. The one that comes close is the Manik turbofan, but the Manik engine along with its auxiliaries will weigh around 130 kg each, which is twice the weight of the PTAE-7. There would be gain in thrust too(3.73 KN to 4.25KN) but it is not significant enough to justify such an increase in weight. The IAF after all, care more about TWR than efficiency.
View attachment 7778

On the other hand we came across this from January last year as Saurav Jha reported(DRDO And NAL Collaborate On A New Small Turbojet For UCAV Applications | Delhi Defence Review) :

Small Gas Turbine Jet Engine (SGTJE) collaborative project by DRDO’s Research Centre Imarat (RCI), Hyderabad and the Propulsion Division of the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bengaluru.

"detailed design of a turbojet engine of 275 kgf class as per RCI specification and development drawings for components and prototype engine for ground tests considering flight mounting, fuel flow control, pyro starting, alternator and QT/AT testing requirements in participation of RCI. Efforts are to be made by RCI/NAL to realize components for functional testing based on preliminary design to verify the design analysis before closure of the present project. Based on the functional testing & design analysis, prototype engine and components drawings are to be finalized for ground testing."

The broad parameters for the SGTJE are given below:
View attachment 7779

With the requirements specified above in mind, NAL’s Propulsion Division will assist RCI in the following:

"Detailed design of turbojet engine is to be carried out meeting RCI specifications and qualification/acceptance requirements for airborne engine start for UCAV applications. Based on the literature survey & engine cycle analysis, engine configuration will be arrived at, using centrifugal/mixed flow compressor and axial turbine. After configuring the engine, the components like compressor, combustor, turbine, nozzle, bearings & seals, and rotor dynamic design and analysis will be carried out to meet the design and
qualification requirements. Based on the components structural & CFD
analysis, design optimization & redesign will be carried out."


Interesting times ahead.:)

Sensors :

There is a forward mounted radar which is most likely going to be a smaller lighter version of the UTTAM AESA radar. For some reason the render of the radar posted above reminded me of this :
View attachment 7761
Phase shifter array assembly of the Ragendra radar used in Akash SAM system.

For a drone this size it is disappointing to see no EO payload onboard this thing.
we should better make it as single use system to avoid complexity, cheaper and effective for single runway
 
Pic is not visible, sir.

Edit : Oh wait its visible when I quote it. Cool.:cool:

Did you not read it ? Oh come on I spent 3 hours behind it.:cry:
Very very unlikely dude. Its not even a real project under HAL. That startup has some kind of MoU with HAL. Other than that HAL is not really a contributor. For that, it needs to be approved as a real project (At least TD in DRDO sense). At this point, I don't think Indian private sector can even make a real fixed-wing UAV like Rustom-1 let alone something like this. Search for the interview of the startup during aero india.
 
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Guys you should see this. I found a graphical render of the proposed HAL/NewSpace Unmanned Wingman. I've resisted posting it so far because I assumed it was some fanboy stuff. But it was put out by a former IAF and now HAL test pilot. This guy is no uninformed fanboy. Here it is :


View attachment 7753

Weapons :

It seems to be armed with at least 4 DRDO Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon(SAAW). 2 internal & 2 external(1 not visible from this angle).
View attachment 7760

The internal payload will probably use a scaled down version of DRDO's single rack ejection system for SAAW which was designed to carry 4 SAAW instead of 2.
View attachment 7756


This is one of the graphic poster released by HAL/NewSpace during AeroIndia 2019 :
View attachment 7757
There is a discrepancy on that poster. The payload capacity is set at 250 kg. Each SAAW weighs 125 kg, so how can a drone with 250 kg payload capacity carry 4 of them ? Unless the 250 kg payload capacity given here is for internal carriage only, in which case it make sense.

Also the focus on carrying SAAW would seem to indicate an emphasis on SEAD/DEAD Ops. Not suprising given the dangers associated with these missions. Commanders would want to take humans out of these missions as much as possible, an stealthy well-networked UCAV is the way to go.

Engine :

Of course the weakest link in any of our air-breathing flying machine projects is the engine. So let's examine this closely.

The wingman in the graphic render seems to be powered by(as was previously reported) 2 HAL PTAE-7 turbojet engine(3.73 KN thrust). The HAL designed and manufactured PTAE-7 has been in continuous production since December 2000 and has proven to be a very reliable engine. In all these years of service the engine has never failed to deliver.
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Initially designed for the Lakshya PTA, the engine has been chosen to power the under development Abhyas HEAT which is going to replace to British made Banshee target drone.
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This is what ADE had to say about the PTAE-7's test flights in a document dated November 2006. Keep in mind these specs are dated and there has been significant improvement in the engines performance since it entered service. For example the weight of the engine today is about 65 kg instead of 69 kg which would obviously increase engine TWR.
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Also the engine back in 2006 had and endurance of 20 max duration flights of the Lakshya PTA(30+ minutes). That has been increased significantly owing largely to breakthroughs in material research. Case in point the Abhyas HEAT has a max flight duration of 45+ minutes.

Each engine has a service life of more than (20x45)=900 min= 15 hrs. Even without any improvements we'd have the following numbers :
Targeted maximum flight duration for the HAL wingman= 80 minutes= (80/60)= 1.33 hrs.
Number of flights before needing an engine replacement= (15/1.33)= 11.27 flights ~11 flights

This is of course assuming there has been no improvements to the endurance cycles of the engine and that the drone flies maximum duration flights every time its launched. None of these assumptions are true and with proper maintenance practices the average number of flights before engine replacements can be pushed up further.

Also since the production line for the engine has been running since the early 2000s and given the service record of the engine I wouldn't be surprised if the ground staff are experienced with the ins and outs of the engine design, maintenance, replacement and if possible repairs. Experience of this kind would normally take years of training and operational usage to acquire. I am also not concerned about spares and services, tooling etc. as these things are always a concern with brand new production lines.

Now for the negatives. The MTOW of the wingman is targeted at 1,300 kg using two engines, the Lakshya PTA is approx 705 kg MTOW. Calculating overall TWR we have :

For Lakshya PTA : TWR= (3.73x1000)Newtons/(705x9.81)Newtons= 0.506
For HAL Unmanned wingman : TWR=(2x3.73x1000)Newtons/(1300x9.81)Newtons= 0.58496 ~ 0.585

A thrust to weight ratio of 0.585 is not that good really especially given the environment in which its meant to work. Needless to say it won't be dodging any SAMs or AAMs or at the right altitude even MANPADS. Incidents like the recent shoot down of the US drone by the Iranians might become our future. But for what its worth, it will have comparable maneuverability to an BAE Hawk. Quite the achievement !

There is of course the efficiency problem. The PTAE-7 is a turbojet, at subsonic speeds it will always be less efficient than a comparable turbofan. Problem is there is no comparable turbofan with us. The one that comes close is the Manik turbofan, but the Manik engine along with its auxiliaries will weigh around 130 kg each, which is twice the weight of the PTAE-7. There would be gain in thrust too(3.73 KN to 4.25KN) but it is not significant enough to justify such an increase in weight. The IAF after all, care more about TWR than efficiency.
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On the other hand we came across this from January last year as Saurav Jha reported(DRDO And NAL Collaborate On A New Small Turbojet For UCAV Applications | Delhi Defence Review) :

Small Gas Turbine Jet Engine (SGTJE) collaborative project by DRDO’s Research Centre Imarat (RCI), Hyderabad and the Propulsion Division of the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bengaluru.

"detailed design of a turbojet engine of 275 kgf class as per RCI specification and development drawings for components and prototype engine for ground tests considering flight mounting, fuel flow control, pyro starting, alternator and QT/AT testing requirements in participation of RCI. Efforts are to be made by RCI/NAL to realize components for functional testing based on preliminary design to verify the design analysis before closure of the present project. Based on the functional testing & design analysis, prototype engine and components drawings are to be finalized for ground testing."

The broad parameters for the SGTJE are given below:
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With the requirements specified above in mind, NAL’s Propulsion Division will assist RCI in the following:

"Detailed design of turbojet engine is to be carried out meeting RCI specifications and qualification/acceptance requirements for airborne engine start for UCAV applications. Based on the literature survey & engine cycle analysis, engine configuration will be arrived at, using centrifugal/mixed flow compressor and axial turbine. After configuring the engine, the components like compressor, combustor, turbine, nozzle, bearings & seals, and rotor dynamic design and analysis will be carried out to meet the design and
qualification requirements. Based on the components structural & CFD
analysis, design optimization & redesign will be carried out."


Interesting times ahead.:)

Sensors :

There is a forward mounted radar which is most likely going to be a smaller lighter version of the UTTAM AESA radar. For some reason the render of the radar posted above reminded me of this :
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Phase shifter array assembly of the Ragendra radar used in Akash SAM system.

They need a new engine for this UCAV.

And it's preferable they make a UCAV that has more endurance than the manned aircraft or else the pilot has to prioritise the UCAVs over his own jet during fuel emergencies. Not to mention, they will have to operate this USAV very close to the borders just to make it viable.

The IAF will need a UCAV that's at least 10m long and has a range of 4000Km with at least twice the payload capacity, including the carriage of BVR weapons. But it's a start.

But this is a good start.

For a drone this size it is disappointing to see no EO payload onboard this thing.

There will be non-weaponised drones with sensor payloads, including SAR and EO. This done is too small to carry everything necessary.
 
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Very very unlikely dude. Its not even a real project under HAL. That startup has some kind of MoU with HAL. Other than that HAL is not really a contributor. For that, it needs to be approved as a real project (At least TD in DRDO sense). I don't think Indian private sector can even make a real fixed-wing UAV like Rustom-1 let alone something like this. Search for the interview of the startup during aero india.

The Indian private sector is far, far more advanced than you believe. They are just not getting enough media attention because the Indian pop is not sophisticated enough to absord such information where people will get paid to report everything.

Google TAAL. That's Taneja Aerospace.

There are now more than a dozen private companies with clearance to manufacture UAVs. There are even companies that are designing their own turbofan engines. There's a company called Poeir Jets which has already finished development of a small engine and are working on a family of bigger engines. Kalyani is also designing a family of turbofan engines.