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LoC Warfare tactics



We will use this thread to post the nitty gritties of LoC warfare. Members are invited to contribute.




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Why Poonch???


Some of you might have noticed that most of the ceasefire violation (CFV) news emanates from Poonch area of line of control (LOC). Ever wondered why???
Occurrence of Sniper fire on our posts in this sector or it's sub sectors is not a mere coincidence, nor is the fact that this sector is guarded by the biggest brigade of Indian army - 93 Infantry Brigade. Whilst its also true that there are many sectors along our 740 km LoC where not a single bullet has been fired in almost 2 decades.
Retaliation and response on LoC warfare is generally proportionate, meaning localized, calibre to calibre , that's why certain places along the LoC are perpetually a war zone while others see relative calm. If you are still wondering why Poonch? Then the following reasons should quench your curiosity.
For one, this is an area where Pak Army has occupied few dominating ridges which overlook Indian posts and civilian areas, this makes some of the areas vulnerable and sensitive. From such dominating heights they can easily observe our movement and activities. Also, Pak army deploys a lot of elements from Mujahid force regiment, which is composed of locals. These men know the terrain well and at times people too. They have also been responsible for several sniping incidents in the past.
There are some sectors where Indian army has an advantage for example - Balnoi Sector. From such places we can easily target deep into Pak territory, which is mostly civilian area.

So how do we compensate for our disadvantage in Poonch?
The most logical step is to deploy more troops than Pakistan and that is why it is imminent to have one of the biggest brigade - 93 Infantry Brigade, look after Poonch.
Next step would be to construct more posts than Pakistan so as to fire in mutual support. So every time Pakistan army fires from their post they get a befitting reply from not one but several Indian posts.

Trivia- In 1971 Indian army decided to permanently annex a key post from Pakistan Army - The Nangi Tekri Post. It was captured permanently, never to be returned to Pakistan. No points for guessing the reason.
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Speculative firing, does it help???


Speculative fire, also called reconnaissance by fire on likely enemy positions to provoke a reaction, thus confirming the presence and position of enemy forces. This is used to check movement of suspicious persons and terrorists ,especially Border Action Team (BAT).
Reconnaissance by fire is not just adopted by IA but also by Pak army.
It is said that during the Vietnam War, a US Army battalion commander, Lt Col Hal Moore noticed that his men had a large amount of ammunition. So he ordered his men to fire at anything suspicious at an agreed synchronised time. The large amount of fire at that time led a group of undetected infiltrating enemy soldiers to believe that they had been discovered and to charge the Americans, leading to their destruction.


A sample vid of speculative firing>>>




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Role of snipers along the LoC

Snipers play an important role in infantry battalion and active hostile areas. They give the commander accurate, discriminatory, long-range small-arms fire. The best use of sniper fire is against key targets that other available weapon systems may be unable to destroy due to their range, size, or location; visibility; security and stealth requirements; avoidance of collateral damage; intensity of conflict; or rules of engagement.
The techniques snipers use enable them to gather detailed, critical information about the enemy as a secondary role. The effectiveness of a sniper is not measured simply by the number of casualties or destroyed targets; sniper effectiveness also includes the effect the presence of snipers has on enemy activities, morale, and decisions.

Other than the commonly used Russian-made Dragunov rifles our soldiers also use Danel NTW 20 -a weapon used at LoC to target enemy Bunkers, parked aircrafts, radar installations, machine gun nests etc. It can be effectively used to snipe upto the range of 2000m, depending on the round. It's not necessarily a Sniper Rifle but a large caliber Anti material Rifle Capable of firing various rounds, High Explosive (HE), Semi Armour piercing (AP) .Since both sides have placed heavy weapons at LoC including Anti Aircraft Guns (AA) on ground Attack role such Anti Material Rifle (AMR) are often used at Loc warfare.

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LoC Warfare tactics



We will use this thread to post the nitty gritties of LoC warfare. Members are invited to contribute.




Content posted in collaboration with Team Shatrujeet @HAMMER HEAD @Bornubus



Why Poonch???


Some of you might have noticed that most of the ceasefire violation (CFV) news emanates from Poonch area of line of control (LOC). Ever wondered why???
Occurrence of Sniper fire on our posts in this sector or it's sub sectors is not a mere coincidence, nor is the fact that this sector is guarded by the biggest brigade of Indian army - 93 Infantry Brigade. Whilst its also true that there are many sectors along our 740 km LoC where not a single bullet has been fired in almost 2 decades.
Retaliation and response on LoC warfare is generally proportionate, meaning localized, calibre to calibre , that's why certain places along the LoC are perpetually a war zone while others see relatively calm. If you are still wondering why Poonch? Then the following reasons should quench your curiosity.
For one, this is an area where Pak Army has occupied few dominating ridges which overlook Indian posts and civilian areas, this makes some of the areas vulnerable and sensitive. From such dominating heights they can easily observe our movement and activities. Also, Pak army deploys a lot of elements from Mujahid force regiment, which is composed of locals. These men know the terrain well and at times people too. They have also been responsible for several sniping incidents in the past.
There are some sectors where Indian army has an advantage for example - Balnoi Sector. From such places we can easily target deep into Pak territory, which is mostly civilian area.

So how do we compensate for our disadvantage in Poonch?
The most logical step is to deploy more troops than Pakistan and that is why it is imminent to have one of the biggest brigade - 93 Infantry Brigade, look after Poonch.
Next step would be to construct more posts than Pakistan so as to fire in mutual support. So every time Pakistan army fires from their post they get a befitting reply from not one but several Indian posts.

Trivia- In 1971 Indian army decided to permanently annex a key post from Pakistan Army - The Nangi Tekri Post. It was captured permanently, never to be returned to Pakistan. No points for guessing the reason.
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Speculative firing, does it help???


Speculative fire, also called reconnaissance by fire on likely enemy positions to provoke a reaction, thus confirming the presence and position of enemy forces. This is used to check movement of suspicious persons and terrorists ,especially Border Action Team (BAT).
Reconnaissance by fire is not just adopted by IA but also by Pak army.
It is said that during the Vietnam War, a US Army battalion commander, Lt Col Hal Moore noticed that his men had a large amount of ammunition. So he ordered his men to fire at anything suspicious at an agreed synchronised time. The large amount of fire at that time led a group of undetected infiltrating enemy soldiers to believe that they had been discovered and to charge the Americans, leading to their destruction.


A sample vid of speculative firing>>>




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Role of snipers along the LoC

Snipers play an important role in infantry battalion and active hostile areas. They give the commander accurate, discriminatory, long-range small-arms fire. The best use of sniper fire is against key targets that other available weapon systems may be unable to destroy due to their range, size, or location; visibility; security and stealth requirements; avoidance of collateral damage; intensity of conflict; or rules of engagement.
The techniques snipers use enable them to gather detailed, critical information about the enemy as a secondary role. The effectiveness of a sniper is not measured simply by the number of casualties or destroyed targets; sniper effectiveness also includes the effect the presence of snipers has on enemy activities, morale, and decisions.

Other than the commonly used Russian-made Dragunov rifles our soldiers also use Danel NTW 20 -a weapon used at LoC to target enemy Bunkers, parked aircrafts, radar installations, machine gun nests etc. It can be effectively used to snipe upto the range of 2000m, depending on the round. It's not necessarily a Sniper Rifle but a large caliber Anti material Rifle Capable of firing various rounds, High Explosive (HE), Semi Armour piercing (AP) .Since both sides have placed heavy weapons at LoC including Anti Aircraft Guns (AA) on ground Attack role such Anti Material Rifle (AMR) are often used at Loc warfare.

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Fire Shadow or switchblade is what you need. Recon and strike in one package whilst you remain in cover.

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-complex-weapons/fire-shadow-loitering-munition/
Visit Aerovironment Inc.

A mini-UAV fitted with an explosive, and fold-able wings so it can be stored in compact space and lauched like a mortar.

Average Idea, This can be replicated by DRDO, not worth the Intellectual Property cost.

This has some flaws,
1. UAV pilot will have a hard time locating the enemy on this video feed in heat of the battle.
2. This video assumes that enemy will be in the open, and locatable in the video feed. Enemy could be in a camouflaged ditch, in wooded jungle, or hiding in thick foliage.

This needs, a sensor to detect direction of fire(acoustic) and cheap minature thermal vision to defeat the camo. And make this drone capable of hovering(tilt rotar like Osprey) to navigate in wooded jungle. Most of LOC terrain is Himalayan mountains with thick pine tree cover.
 
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A mini-UAV fitted with an explosive, and fold-able wings so it can be stored in compact space and lauched like a mortar.

Average Idea, This can be replicated by DRDO, not worth the Intellectual Property cost.

This has some flaws,
1. UAV pilot will have a hard time locating the enemy on this video feed in heat of the battle.
2. This video assumes that enemy will be in the open, and locatable in the video feed. Enemy could be in a camouflaged ditch, in wooded jungle, or hiding in thick foliage.

This needs, a sensor to detect direction of fire(acoustic) and cheap minature thermal vision to defeat the camo. And make this drone capable of hovering(tilt rotar like Osprey) to navigate in wooded jungle. Most of LOC terrain is Himalayan mountains with thick pine tree cover.
I think they do have thermal cameras. Page 6.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont...ocuments/cdl-systems/CDL-Systems-brochure.pdf

Himalayas might be a problem wrt altitude though at a guess for any hovering aircraft.

To detect shooter location.

Raytheon: Boomerang III

Could always go for old Spooky. It has a certain deterrence and fear factor. Plane is costly but ammo is cheap.

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For one, this is an area where Pak Army has occupied few dominating ridges which overlook Indian posts and civilian areas, this makes some of the areas vulnerable and sensitive. From such dominating heights they can easily observe our movement and activities.

I have looked at the city lights of Poonch from the Pakistani side many years ago. That whole area is a complex situation indeed, not just around Poonch, but along a lot of the Pir Panjal range.
 
Costly solution to a simple problem.
Pakistan is a breeding ground for terrorists whose lives don't worth more than few dollars. We will be bankrupt if we use such a costly weapons to target individual infiltrators.
I know, it's a strange new world. In the old days we just used to use a rack when we caught one, which deterred the rest. Very cost effective.
 
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Maps of Poonch and Uri area for better awareness. Locate Gikote(near URI) and Poonch , and the orange line (LOC). Observe the narrow finger of land protruding into our territory, this is the Haji peer pass leading to Kashmir valley. Observe the mountain countors and valley troughs(white lines). Poonch town lies in a valley and Pakistan controls the mountains north of the valley.(1965 war and Tashkent agreement) Uri has a similar situation. I suggest building extensive tunnel networks for undetected movement of army. Even the barracks should be underground and well shielded. Use Tunnel boring machines.

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Such Hot spots exists due to diplomatic failure at Tashkent agreement, and failure to capture Lahore.
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Another map
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Indian army should put salt in the area surrounding LOC to remove the thick folliage, Infiltrators will have a hard time hiding.
 
I know, it's a strange new world. In the old days we just used to use a rack when we caught one, which deterred the rest. Very cost effective.
You people are smart enough to short out your problems earlier in the century.

A lasting Peace in South Asia needs great sacrifice. Until and unless we are ready to do it, we will continue to suffer this miserable hostile conditions.
 
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I think they do have thermal cameras. Page 6.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont...ocuments/cdl-systems/CDL-Systems-brochure.pdf

Himalayas might be a problem wrt altitude though at a guess for any hovering aircraft.

To detect shooter location.

Raytheon: Boomerang III

Could always go for old Spooky. It has a certain deterrence and fear factor. Plane is costly but ammo is cheap.

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This thing looks damn hot.

PS: it will take only single cheap Chinese MANPAD (Pakistani call Anza) to bring this billion dollar baby down to the ground.
 
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Maps of Poonch and Uri area for better awareness. Locate Gikote(near URI) and Poonch , and the orange line (LOC). Observe the narrow finger of land protruding into our territory, this is the Haji peer pass leading to Kashmir valley. Observe the mountain countors and valley troughs(white lines). Poonch town lies in a valley and Pakistan controls the mountains north of the valley.(1965 war and Tashkent agreement) Uri has a similar situation. I suggest building extensive tunnel networks for undetected movement of army. Even the barracks should be underground and well shielded. Use Tunnel boring machines.

The terrain in that area is not conducive to TBMs.
 
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This is used to check movement of suspicious persons and terrorists ,especially Border Action Team (BAT).
Reconnaissance by fire is not just adopted by IA but also by Pak army.

When both know about the speculative fire then....
why would one responds to the pattern of firing when it is recognized as initial speculation?
 
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Costly solution to a simple problem.
Pakistan is a breeding ground for terrorists whose lives don't worth more than few dollars. We will be bankrupt if we use such a costly weapons to target individual infiltrators.
A cheaper solution(both financially and ... :devilish:)
Operation Arjun: BSF shells army officers' farms, residences in counter-offensive to Pakistan ceasefire violation
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...nsive-to-pakistan-ceasefire-violation-2548717


Operation Arjun Targets Farms, Residences of ISI, Pakistan Rangers Near Indian Border
BSF’s Operation Arjun Targets Residences of ISI, Pakistan Rangers Near Indian Border: Report


Pak army pleads for peace as BSF’s ‘Operation Arjun’ targets properties of officers aiding infiltration
Pak army pleads for peace as BSF’s ‘Operation Arjun’ targets properties of officers aiding infiltration


I bet some Mortar and artillery shells are cheaper than that Gizmo :devilish:

In 1965 war we did the same thing, our army pinned in Rajori sector with enemy in the front and mountains at the back. And supplies lines almost cutt off. So, we launched a attack on Lahore. :devilish: And Pakistan celebrates national defence day. :ROFLMAO:
Bravery is just a kind word for stupidity, Unlike our simplistic ancestors like Prithviraj Chauhan , we learned to be cunning and strategic from the British. Practiced them in World war 1 and 2.
 
This thing looks damn hot.

PS: it will take only single cheap Chinese MANPAD (Pakistani call Anza) to bring this billion dollar baby down to the ground.
It has DIRCM and a gazillion flares and can operate above MANAPDS range and has 4 engines. It will also immediately pinpoint the dumbass who fired it and they'll be hit with an instant artillery barrage of 105mm, 40mm and 25mm.

Lockheed AC-130 - Wikipedia
 
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I think they do have thermal cameras. Page 6.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/cont...ocuments/cdl-systems/CDL-Systems-brochure.pdf

Himalayas might be a problem wrt altitude though at a guess for any hovering aircraft.

To detect shooter location.

Raytheon: Boomerang III

Could always go for old Spooky. It has a certain deterrence and fear factor. Plane is costly but ammo is cheap.

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Tilt rotor drone
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Need something like this which can tilt its rotors and come to a hover, and fly like a quadcopter through jungle or inside a building.

Need minature version of Raytheon Bomerang III implemented on SOC to fit on drone.

That Huge plane seems like bait for stinger missiles. :cautious:
 
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When both know about the speculative fire then....
why would one responds to the pattern of firing when it is recognized as initial speculation?

Well when one comes under fire, one can NOT risk assuming that it is a speculative firing. One might have come under fire because he’s actually spotted.
But yes this is a tactic used by both sides, more often by our men, because we are the side which faces the threat of infiltration from our western neighbours.
Our reconnaissance equipments are much better than Pakistan’s or so I heard. Infact I also heard that in many of the raids conducted by our boyz,Pakistan failed to give a prompt reply because of the poor quality equipments they use.
 
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