Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

I see Britane is planning to win the trade war through massive devaluation.

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Most sneaky and underhanded.
A whole 1 percent. My imported frogs legs will be a whole 3p more expensive.:eek:
 
You realy don't want me to start talking about the condition of Africa under colonialism. And yes, nothing much changed in many countries. Again, Doesn't really change the point. The only difference Germans had with other European nations was their decision to attempt the colonization of Europe.
And deliberately genocide 6 million people after enslaving them. Not because they disobeyed them but because they were of a given ethnicity. Not remotely the same.
 
See Venezuela, worst managed economy on Earth. 300bn bbls of oil and bust. Honk Kong and Macau, far higher GDP/Capita than the rest of China, despite 'imperial' ownership up until the late '90s. Singapore and Malaysia, also doing better than neighbouring countries despite the same up until the '60s. South Africa's economy was even doing better under Apartheid rule despite sanctions and Zimbabwe speaks for itself. The Indians provide a very distorted version of European empires. Probably something their education system brainwashes them with.

Lol.. Whenever the Brits start talking about the economy of Malaysia and Singapore once cannot stop but laugh at the lack of knowledge of the Brainwashed Brits. Britain have a self imposed amnesia about colonialism. That is why your educational system completely censored colonial history from its educational syllabus.

Regarding the Singapore, it was one of the most poor countries in the world with lion share of peoples living under poverty in the start of 1960s after hundreds of years of British occupation. Singapore become what it is once they got rid of British. Same is true for Malaysia. So stop acting as if their achievements have anything to do with the Britain. Same is true for Macau. economy of Macau started building after the 1970 due to the huge gambling industry. From 1600s to 1970s just like Singapore, Macau was a very poor region under colonialism. The only exception here is Hong Kong, which admittedly is build by the British as a trading point.


In south Africa and Rhodesia, the Europian minority was doing well, where as the rest were living in absolute poverty. South African white minority reserved 87% of the entire landmass for themselves, expelled the natives from that 87% of the territory under colonial rule and pushed them to the bushes. Same story in Rhodesia as well. White minority reserved all arable land for themselves and admittedly they were in good condition whereas the blacks in the country was in much bad situation than they were today.
 
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And deliberately genocide 6 million people after enslaving them. Not because they disobeyed them but because they were of a given ethnicity. Not remotely the same.

There was no enslavement by Germans anywhere in Europe. if you want to know about enslavement, ask the Congonese under the Belgian rule and the peoples of West Africa. You want to hear about genocides, ask the native Americans, Congonese and native tribes of Newziland and Australia.

I am not trying to downplay the gravity of crimes suffered by the Jewish peoples, Europian colonial nations are not unknown for committing genocides anyway and Germans were no exception.
 
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There was no enslavement by Germans anywhere in Europe. if you want to know about enslavement, ask the Congonese under the Belgian rule and the peoples of West Africa. You want to hear about genocides, ask the native Americans, Congonese and native tribes of Newziland and Australia.

I am not trying to downplay the gravity of crimes suffered by the Jewish peoples, Europian colonial nations are not unknown for committing genocides anyway and Germans were no exception.
You need to revisit history 101. Jews were robbed of all possessions, forced to work in concentration camps minus any pay and were given insufficient food to sustain them. When they finally became too weak to work, they were gassed and then their corpses were burnt and sent up a stack. Enslavement and much worse I'm afraid.
 
Lol.. Whenever the Brits start talking about the economy of Malaysia and Singapore once cannot stop but laugh at the lack of knowledge of the Brainwashed Brits. Britain have a self imposed amnesia about colonialism. That is why your educational system completely censored colonial history from its educational syllabus.

Regarding the Singapore, it was one of the most poor countries in the world with lion share of peoples living under poverty in the start of 1960s after hundreds of years of British occupation. Singapore become what it is once they got rid of British. Same is true for Malaysia. So stop acting as if their achievements have anything to do with the Britain. Same is true for Macau. economy of Macau started building after the 1970 due to the huge gambling industry. From 1600s to 1970s just like Singapore, Macau was a very poor region under colonialism. The only exception here is Hong Kong, which admittedly is build by the British as a trading point.


In south Africa and Rhodesia, the Europian minority was doing well, where as the rest were living in absolute poverty. South African white minority reserved 87% of the entire landmass for themselves, expelled the natives from that 87% of the territory under colonial rule and pushed them to the bushes. Same story in Rhodesia as well. White minority reserved all arable land for themselves and admittedly they were in good condition whereas the blacks in the country was in much bad situation than they were today.
Macau and Honk Kong were still under European rule in the 1970s. Singapore grew steadily from WWII onwards despite the Soviet Unions attempts to aggress upon it via Indonesia, which Britain helped stop. It gained independence in 1965. Now see the period 1958-1965. The dip is the Indonesian Emergency, where we won our Vietnam against the Communist toads. 1958-1963 it is outpacing US growth. And has similar growth to HK thereafter.

Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation - Wikipedia

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And I suppose the locals could have farmed it better, like in Zimbabwe right? What sensible economy wouldn't give the land to the better farmers? If they'd farmed the land in India, maybe people wouldn't have been complaining about all the famines.
 
Macau and Honk Kong were still under European rule in the 1970s. Singapore grew steadily from WWII on wards despite the Soviet Unions attempts to aggress upon it via Indonesia, which Britain helped stop. It gained independence in 1965. Now see the period 1958-1965. The dip is the Indonesian Emergency, where we won our Vietnam against the Communist toads. 1958-1963 it is outpacing US growth. And has similar growth to HK thereafter.

Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation - Wikipedia

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LOL.. You do know that Singapore was part of Independent Malaysia between 1958-1965 and not Britain right? Singapore got separated from Malaysia in 1965. Right after the Brits left Singapore, their economy started growing. After hundreds of years of British occupation, Singapore and Malaysia were one of the most poor countries in the planet.

The real reason for macau's economic growth after the 70's is due to the Gambling boom as a part of Asian economic boom. It have nothing to do with Portuguese. The 400 years of Portuguese rule before 1970 bought nothing but poverty to the peoples of Macau. Also, another reason is the over though of Pro-colonialist dictator of Portugal by the Portuguese liberals in the early 1970. The new anti colonialist liberals gave huge amount of autonomy to Macau in the 1970.

And I suppose the locals could have farmed it better, like in Zimbabwe right? What sensible economy wouldn't give the land to the better farmers? If they'd farmed the land in India, maybe people wouldn't have been complaining about all the famines.

It was an ethnic cleansing, plain and simple for the benefits of white settlers. The average Black African lived in absolute poverty. The situation of Blacks in Zimbabwe and South Africa are much better today than it was under colonialism according to statistics. Even though the GDP of Zimbabwe went down, the net wealth and resource of blacks in Zimbabwe increased by many folds. Why should they care about the size of the colonial economy when 98%of it was controlled by settler minority?

India never had large scale mass famine deaths before the arrival of Britain, and it never had any likes of it after the Independence. The famines with hundreds of thousands or millions of death was a direct result of Victorian policy and exploitation. Indian today even with a 1.3 Billion population produce more food crops than we consume and that was always been the case except during the British occupation.
 
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And I suppose the locals could have farmed it better, like in Zimbabwe right? What sensible economy wouldn't give the land to the better farmers? If they'd farmed the land in India, maybe people wouldn't have been complaining about all the famines.

Famine related deaths happened due to supply disruptions, which was managed by the British Raj.

We had some of the best farming in the world at the time.
 
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Famine related deaths happened due to supply disruptions, which was managed by the British Raj.

We had some of the best farming in the world at the time.
Inefficiency of the farming combined with the effects of war in some cases.
 
LOL.. You do know that Singapore was part of Independent Malaysia between 1958-1965 and not Britain right? Singapore got separated from Malaysia in 1965. Right after the Brits left Singapore, their economy started growing. After hundreds of years of British occupation, Singapore and Malaysia were one of the most poor countries in the planet.

The real reason for macau's economic growth after the 70's is due to the Gambling boom as a part of Asian economic boom. It have nothing to do with Portuguese. The 400 years of Portuguese rule before 1970 bought nothing but poverty to the peoples of Macau. Also, another reason is the over though of Pro-colonialist dictator of Portugal by the Portuguese liberals in the early 1970. The new anti colonialist liberals gave huge amount of autonomy to Macau in the 1970.



It was an ethnic cleansing, plain and simple for the benefits of white settlers. The average Black African lived in absolute poverty. The situation of Blacks in Zimbabwe and South Africa are much better today than it was under colonialism according to statistics. Even though the GDP of Zimbabwe went down, the net wealth and resource of blacks in Zimbabwe increased by many folds. Why should they care about the size of the colonial economy when 98%of it was controlled by settler minority?

India never had large scale mass famine deaths before the arrival of Britain, and it never had any likes of it after the Independence. The famines with hundreds of thousands or millions of death was a direct result of Victorian policy and exploitation. Indian today even with a 1.3 Billion population produce more food crops than we consume and that was always been the case except during the British occupation.
It never became an independent republic until 1965.
Singapore - Wikipedia

Singapore gained independence as the Republic of Singapore (remaining within the Commonwealth of Nations) on 9 August 1965 with Lee Kuan Yew as the prime minister and Yusof bin Ishak as the president.

Self-governing and independent are not the same thing. France is self-governing but not independent of the EU, ditto for US states.

No it was optimisation of land usage, which is a fact proven by the aftermath of Mugabe's land reform policies, which were ethnic cleansing.

So the GDP went down but it is better off?:LOL: Despite the food shortages?:LOL:

You lie again.
Famine in India - Wikipedia

It has also suffered millions of famine and malnutrition-related deaths every year since, despite aid and agricultural technology improvements. More people died of famine in China during the colonial period too and more people have died in India since too.
 
Empires started long before the first Western Empires. India had several imperial empires before Britain had one. So, YOU have no moral high ground.

Meh... typical whataboutism. Engineered famines & massacres are perfectly kosher.

If the Nazis had won and gassed your ancestors and sent them up a stack, perhaps you'd see it differently. British people would have survived if the Nazis had won, Indian people would not, or would be bred purely for slavery until this day.

We survived one of history's most brutal empires (though we lost tens of millions) so what makes you think we won't survive the Nazis ?

Indian people would not, or would be bred purely for slavery until this day.

Are you talking about rebranded slavery or indentured labour as British called it ?
 
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if you want to know about enslavement, ask the Congonese under the Belgian rule and the peoples of West Africa. You want to hear about genocides, ask the native Americans, Congonese and native tribes of Newziland and Australia.

Nailed it.
 
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The Indians provide a very distorted version of European empires. Probably something their education system brainwashes them with.

Denial is immediate reaction of Brits when they hear about the true extent of British crimes in India. After all they still believe that they 'civilized' Indians.
 
Denial is immediate reaction of Brits when they hear about the true extent of British crimes in India. After all they still believe that they 'civilized' Indians.
I suppose the Mughals did that huh? If you were so advanced and civilised you wouldn't have got invaded by a small British trading compliment, nor would your country people have signed up to fight for the British. The fact your own people signed up is an indication of how bad things were.

And I would regard the prohibition of child marriage and widow burning as civilising yes.