Agni & Prithvi Ballistic Missiles : News & Discussions

If you want an idea wtr to nuke development of various countries read this ancient website from 2001: Alexander Lebed and Suitcase Nukes

I read that page and got to know of your nuke development (which was basically Chinese handing over an entire turnkey solution of the bomb to you in exchange for advanced uranium centrifuge technology that AQ Khan had stolen from Urenco).

Interestingly it was PAEC under Samar Mubarakmand and Ahmed Munir Khan which were behind the Pakistani tests and not Khan and KRL tho Khan was there during the tests

Theres a photo in that website which shows Khan posing for a picture in one of the tunnel of the Chagai tests while Samar is working in the background. Pretty much shows how the nuke program unfolded actually. An opportunistic monkey hording the limelight based on others work.
PAEC had been working on the nuclear project since the 50s , IIRC PAEC pitched ayub a different path than atoms for peace, essentially an earlier attempt at developing the full fuel cycle only to be rejected , the project was kinda dumped . after the 71 thingy and india testing nukes right after , Bhutto pushed the program from the earlier (peace full/energy route) to the bomb one.

KRL was formed by or under AQ khan and thats why he is given "credit"also due cuz it made the project more faster and his work in the missile field (DPRK NODONGs) was also present up until the 2000s....

Maybe you have read them but read the book EATING GRASS (good workaround) , there are others too but i forgot the names
 
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PAEC had been working on the nuclear project since the 50s , IIRC PAEC pitched ayub a different path than atoms for peace, essentially an earlier attempt at developing the full fuel cycle only to be rejected , the project was kinda dumped . after the 71 thingy and india testing nukes right after , Bhutto pushed the program from the earlier (peace full/energy route) to the bomb one.

KRL was formed by or under AQ khan and thats why he is given "credit"also due cuz it made the project more faster and his work in the missile field (DPRK NODONGs) was also present up until the 2000s....

Maybe you have read them but read the book EATING GRASS (good workaround) , there are others too but i forgot the names
Seems you fellows decided on getting the bomb after 71 itself. India actually made the decision also in 1971 after USS Enterprise incident though the infrastructure was already present which made us reach the bomb in just 3 years after the decision. Indian scientists used some old Soviet computer which was less powerful than a scientific calculator high schoolers use today and recieved absolutely no help or data whatsoever to re process the plutonium machine it to sphere form plastic explosives for implosion etc. Homi Sethna said they didn't even know what processed reactor grade plutonium even looked like at the start of the program. And yet they still succeeded.

In the entire world only India developed a nuclear weapons program from scratch without external help input or data. Everyone else including USA got data for weapons program from others.
 
Can't even make a proper TEL. Something like this would be much much nicer.

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That TEL design is of no use in India , the moment anyone sees it will know that it's carrying a nuclear missile and will be prone to attacks risking deployment in sensitive areas, will be easily detected by satellites just using visual data too.

TCT looks like a normal heavy goods truck and gets the job done

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As ISR has gotten better, TELs have become easier to spot. In the past, TELs were harder to find. Today, better ISR tools make these vehicles quite vulnerable. The bulkier the design, the better the chances of it being spotted. Bulky shapes cast unnatural shadows that modern satellites detect easily. Not saying they have become useless entirely but it has become easier to spot them if they have sharp angles and bulky structures.
 
I don't have it bookmarked. It was a video/tweet showing Hyunmoo-5 TEL doing a crab walk if it rings a bell for anyone else.
The Koreans verbally referenced Agni V? Interesting.
As ISR has gotten better, TELs have become easier to spot. In the past, TELs were harder to find. Today, better ISR tools make these vehicles quite vulnerable. The bulkier the design, the better the chances of it being spotted. Bulky shapes cast unnatural shadows that modern satellites detect easily. Not saying they have become useless entirely but it has become easier to spot them if they have sharp angles and bulky structures.
Yuh thats why the chinks are trying to make them look like construction cranes. In our case we dont even need to do that.

But ig some of our ppl think those TELs look "kool" and bemoan that we dont have them.
 
The Koreans verbally referenced Agni V? Interesting.

Yuh thats why the chinks are trying to make them look like construction cranes. In our case we dont even need to do that.

But ig some of our ppl think those TELs look "kool" and bemoan that we dont have them.
This type of vehicle originated in the Soviet Union; its purpose was to leverage immense payload capacity and off-road mobility to allow missiles to patrol the roadless expanses of Siberia—effectively serving as a land-based SSBN. For most nations, however, neither the specific geography nor the strategic necessity for such a system exists.
 
This type of vehicle originated in the Soviet Union; its purpose was to leverage immense payload capacity and off-road mobility to allow missiles to patrol the roadless expanses of Siberia—effectively serving as a land-based SSBN. For most nations, however, neither the specific geography nor the strategic necessity for such a system exists.
Btw I have been seeing so many of your posts. You seem to have little to no confidence in Chinese weapons systems and a lot of confidence in Russian systems. China has spent billions and many decades developing weapons either though reverse engineering or domestic effort. Why do you think (in your opinion) that has yielded little? You seem to dismiss the importance of radars and electronics in which China is undoubtedly ahead of Russia by many levels for eg.
 
You seem to dismiss the importance of radars and electronics in which China is undoubtedly ahead of Russia by many levels for eg.
As for the state of Chinese military electronic technology (including radar)? That notion is a disaster born of stereotypes and marketing hype; the reality you describe simply doesn't exist. It is merely a case of Western media—intent on attacking China and casting it as an adversary—forcibly elevating China to a level it hasn't actually reached. Since China lags behind the US and Russia in terms of hardware, this intangible, invisible "electronic technology" was seized upon and touted as a "unique" Chinese advantage. It is utterly baffling. The only scenario where such a claim might be somewhat plausible is if one conflates Taiwan and TSMC with "China," thereby arguing that Chinese radar and electronic capabilities *could* surpass Russia's.
But based on the capabilities of the Chinese mainland alone? Hardly.

In Chinese, this phenomenon is referred to as 'flattering someone to their downfall“捧杀”.
----------To kill someone by holding them up too high.


The fact is that, even today, China relies on direct Russian imports for critical systems—such as the K3 radar used in manned spaceflight and core target-acquisition radars for satellites and missiles.
The KJ-2000 airborne early warning aircraft, for instance, utilizes a design concept from the Beriev Design Bureau.
Russia has also consistently assisted China in establishing its missile defense systems.
The founder of Huawei—China's largest electronics, telecommunications, and software company—has personally attested that China's acquisition of 4G and 5G technologies stemmed almost entirely from young Russian mathematicians recruited by the firm. These individuals appeared to do nothing but play video games—shunning romance and leisure—while drawing annual salaries of $2 million, only to suddenly achieve a breakthrough in Western algorithms one day. (Just look at modern mathematics and programming competitions: whenever Russians participate, there is hardly any room left for other nations to shine.)
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“We (Huawei) have a Russian scientist—a young man and a brilliant mathematician.
Just this morning, I asked my team if they could find him a girlfriend; the young man doesn't know how to date—he only knows math. He’s been with the company for over a decade, spending his days playing computer games, and we had no idea what he was actually doing. Our CTO—who manages a team of 50,000 people—even went to Moscow (to our R&D center) to see him in person, but the guy just said hello and walked away. When I personally presented him with an award, all he would say was "Mm," "Mm," "Mm."
He gave me three "Mms," and that was it; we had no clue what he’d been quietly working on all those years. Then, suddenly, he told me, "I’ve achieved a breakthrough in the algorithm for the transition from 2G to 3G." We immediately ran tests in Shanghai, and the results confirmed it—with that single achievement, we surged ahead of the rest of the world.”---------------Translation of the Original Text



Most people’s stereotypical understanding of "electronics" is shaped by consumer goods like color TVs and microwave ovens. Yet, aside from the fact that they run on electricity, radar systems and military equipment share virtually nothing in common with such household appliances.


Btw I have been seeing so many of your posts. You seem to have little to no confidence in Chinese weapons systems and a lot of confidence in Russian systems.
Personally, I started out as a fan of American weaponry, then became a proponent of Chinese weaponry driven by a sense of nationalism, and finally became a supporter of Russian weaponry.

This progression was an inevitability dictated by the objective accumulation of knowledge.

---------That is also why you can see me critiquing American and Chinese weaponry with such proficiency----------because I was once a fan of them myself and know their ins and outs like the back of my hand. I dare say that, compared to the average fan of American weaponry, my level of knowledge makes me far more qualified than 95% of them

China has spent billions and many decades developing weapons either though reverse engineering or domestic effort. Why do you think (in your opinion) that has yielded little?

There are gaps and chasms inherent in the very concept of "civilization." The industrial modernization that took place after 1949 merely scratched the surface; one never heard of any Chinese mathematicians or inventors emerging from that era. As for your final point—"why the results were so meager"—
-----------I don't quite understand it either; at the very least, the feat of consistently filtering through various options to select the absolute worst one for implementation-----------is something that, in my view, requires a considerable amount of talent.

It’s like a multiple-choice test with 100 questions, each having four options (A, B, C, D).
Even someone who knows absolutely nothing should still be able to guess correctly 25% of the time.
Yet, in China, the rate can drop as low as 10%—which is a truly astonishing talent.
 
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No. Silos are highly vulernable for the distances India has from its main threats. Mobile canisterized missiles will remain.
Silos in the dandakarnya region is perfect place, high vegetation, harder and old rocks, harder to penetrate, easy to hide, remote region, a good place for silos, Agni -v, mk2, Agni -iv, Agni-iii,
 
Btw I have been seeing so many of your posts. You seem to have little to no confidence in Chinese weapons systems and a lot of confidence in Russian systems. China has spent billions and many decades developing weapons either though reverse engineering or domestic effort. Why do you think (in your opinion) that has yielded little? You seem to dismiss the importance of radars and electronics in which China is undoubtedly ahead of Russia by many levels for eg.
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Pictured above is the Russian AESA air surveillance radar purchased by China.
If Chinese radar is superior, then it should be the Russians buying Chinese radar.

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It has a detection range of 2,000 kilometers; for targets with a ±3 dB signal, the positioning accuracy is better than 40 meters or 9 mrad.

Measurement accuracy (RMS value, smoothed over a 20-second interval):
Positioning distance, meters 5m
Azimuth positioning accuracy, milliradians 0.25mrad
Elevation positioning accuracy, milliradians 0.25mrad

Radial velocity (range rate) measurement accuracy, meters/second 0.1m/s
Azimuth angular velocity measurement accuracy, milliradians/second 0.1mrad/s
Elevation angular velocity measurement accuracy, milliradians/second 0.1mrad/s




BTW
------------------------That reminds me of another post about the Su-57; some layman was arguing with me here about radar detection range and RCS—adding several extra “0” to the figures
—and I just have to laugh when I think about it.
 
You seem to have little to no confidence in Chinese weapons systems and a lot of confidence in Russian systems... China is undoubtedly ahead of Russia by many levels for eg.
China has arguably surpassed Russian capability in many areas (and does Russia even have any blueprints left that China hasnt hacked or license transferred?). The CCP strategy then is simple -- keep India hooked to the Russian teat. Have woomaos trash American/western systems while worshipping Russian tech to strengthen the Rusophile faction of the Indian govt. Of course, down play Chinese advancements to make India complacent and reduce the urgency of modernization Atmanirbhar efforts. Then in a China/India conflict with India using Russian equipment and tactics the CCP can spring "surprise, motherf**ker".
 
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Can't even make a proper TEL. Something like this would be much much nicer.

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Such a TEL design is literally useless from an Indian perspective apart from winning some fashion awards (if you want to call them that).
In a densely populated country like India, such a design would tell you from miles away that an ICBM is being ferried around (I am not even talking about satellites which can easily pick up such movements).
Indian TELs are designed in a such way that they easily can blend in with other goods carrying trucks and not stick out like a sore thumb.