Airborne Early Warning Systems - A-50EI Phalcon, DRDO Netra AEW&C, DRDO AWACS

It's not even remotely possible.

Recertifying on a new platform is extremely time-consuming. It will take 3 to 4 years just for that.

Just go through technical presentations on AWACS development to have some idea. It's an extremely challenging task. The system custom build to fit on a platform which is purposefully modified by the OEM.




Used Emb-145SA/R-99 (mil spec) models are not available on the global market anyway. Unless used Emb-145s can be found, the Netra mk1A prog is DOA.

By all accounts, Emb-145 is a stretched version of the Emb-135 airframe with uprated engines. 95% avionics and systems commonality.

Embraer has been offering the retrofit/remanufacture option since the early 2000s. I'd say that would be the IAFs only remaining option.
 
Used Emb-145SA/R-99 (mil spec) models are not available on the global market anyway. Unless used Emb-145s can be found, the Netra mk1A prog is DOA.
Its always a conversion of civilian ERJ-145 platform. Check out the video I posted of the presentation by the Embraer executive. Its not possible for any mil spec EJR145 available in a vacuum. You have to convert it.

A quick search shows 500-700 airframes are actively flying under 27 airlines worldwide.

By all accounts, Emb-145 is a stretched version of the Emb-135 airframe with uprated engines. 95% avionics and systems commonality.

Embraer has been offering the retrofit/remanufacture option since the early 2000s. I'd say that would be the IAFs only remaining option.
It doesn't matter that the ERJ135 and ERJ145 difference is as small as few centimeters. You will have to undergo lengthy recertification. All flying military platforms are complex, let alone one with a giant radar on top.
 
Used Emb-145SA/R-99 (mil spec) models are not available on the global market anyway. Unless used Emb-145s can be found, the Netra mk1A prog is DOA.

By all accounts, Emb-145 is a stretched version of the Emb-135 airframe with uprated engines. 95% avionics and systems commonality.

Embraer has been offering the retrofit/remanufacture option since the early 2000s. I'd say that would be the IAFs only remaining option.
They are converted to mil specs, on custom orders.


Lots of 2nd hand civilian erj-145 available.

EMBRAER ERJ-145LR for Sale with Price - 2 Aircraft Available https://share.google/ipJZlFKJudUeLukKV



 
Just an observation: PAF was able to scalp and convert multiple SAAB 2000 from across the world, after its production had closed more than a decade ago and from a very small production number.

Compare that to IAF.... The rot is deep. Sad state of affairs.
 
PAF did that being a budget Air Force if PAF had the means , it would have transitioned to Global Eye from the Turbo Prop Erieye & even bought EF Typhoon instead of Chinese subsidised stuff.

I think the logical approach is to have parallel orders to IAI +E3Harris + Bombardier called Phoenix ( same as RoK AF ) for the. EL/W 2085 on G6500 , we are anyway buying it.


We have NETCOR( Global Link ) , Phalcon, Hermes 900, Green Pine ( Swordfish ) and many Israeli systems are part of IACCS anyway so it can be well integrated as the radar systems are from ELTA .

All major AF are moving to Wedgetail , Global Eye or some from of GaN based AWACS including the USAF which realised that in Iran war and re-started the Wedge tail. ( That defeats @Anonymous logic of obsolescence of. manned AWACS )

G6500 will have larger military variants considering it being used for Global Eye as well.

This helps in spares and life cycle costs , moreover this is suprior to Netra mk1a in degree coverage ( 360 vs 240 of Netra ) plus the conformial radar is more efficient + agile & low RCS compared to large A321 of mk2 and helps achieve dispersed awacs instead of PL 17 prone large ones.

 
Last edited:
@Aniruddha @randomradio

How wil EL/W 2085 be difficult to integrate to IACCS if we already have EL/W 2090 ( Phalcon ) along with Tejas EL/W 2052 and ELTA scorpius .

Moreover, whole network centric warfare of IAF is based on BNET SDR supplied by Astra - Rafael JV in Hyderabad along with. NETCOR ( Global Link ) given ToT to IAF SDI from Rafael Advanced systems
 
It's not even remotely possible.

Recertifying on a new platform is extremely time-consuming. It will take 3 to 4 years just for that.

Just go through technical presentations on AWACS development to have some idea. It's an extremely challenging task. The system custom build to fit on a platform which is purposefully modified by the OEM.



On the topic of how difficult it is to modify a platform into a radar carrier, remember that we lost 8 lives in this endeavor.



Studies began in 1985 under project ‘Guardian’, later renamed ‘Airawat’, after Indra’s white-skinned flying elephant. By a coincidence, the first office was set up in a hotel, which had a rotating dome, in New Delhi’s Asiad village! “Yes, Airawat was the butt of jokes as the proverbial white elephant,”recalls Christopher who was asked to develop its surveillance system at Bharat Electronics. “The Airawat was the first phase where a feasibility study was conducted on a paper design based on Russian A50 aircraft, which is nothing but the Ilyushin 76 aircraft modified with a dome on top for AWACS purpose.”

The challenges were two-fold. One was to build a rotating dome that would emit radar signals and capture them back when reflected by enemy aircraft. The second, more challenging, involved structural engineering—how to fix a rotating dome over an airplane filled with electronic command and control systems, and keep the plane stable in the air.

Funds were at a premium. As the national kitty got smaller and smaller towards the politically unstable late 1980s, priorities had to be reordered. Techno dreams like guided missiles, combat aircraft and battle tanks got priority over flying radar, and slowly Airawat was given a quiet burial.

But when science dreams, you cannot kill it. The idea of an Indian AWACS stayed in the minds of men like CABS’s founder director Dr K. Ramchand and Christopher, as also the ever-dreaming mind of Kalam. Even otherwise, labs like the DRDO’s Electronics & Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) were working on radar technologies for the IAF and the scientific minds could not keep themselves off packing them into a flying object.

“The ASP project was the phase II where an attempt was made with HS 748 aircraft (Avro), which is an old British design produced and maintained by HAL. IAF spared two of their transport HS 748, which were modified by DRDO to carry a rotodome,” says Christopher.

Technology development was sanctioned, and soon the HAL built a 24x5 foot rotodome, which could house the radar antenna. The idea was to develop technologies, mount the ASP onto these aircraft, test the systems, and then go for development. “We had our first flight just with the rotodome on September 5, 1990, an achievement by itself,” recalls Rajalakshmi.

That gave the confidence to work further. CABS was set up in 1991 under Dr Ramchand to act as a system house and integration agency. The challenge was to rotate the dome for all-round coverage. That is where they failed a second time, leading to the unfortunate crash in January 1999.

“I went in that ill-fated aircraft in the previous sortie, for the trials of my systems on the airborne radar. I felt that God had spared me to complete the indigenous development of our own AEW&C [Airborne Early Warning and Control System] and I was determined to complete it,” recalls Christopher.

Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar, who headed the inquiry wrote later: “During the course of flight testing, the aircraft was cleared to a maximum speed limit of 180 knots... and altitude of 10,000 feet.... However, the speed limit for lowering the flaps was left untouched and it was presumed that the take-off flap at 150 could be lowered at the laid down limits of 180 knots, but was never tested in flight or analysed on the ground.”

The problem was with structural engineering. “The rotodome design was such that the centre of pressure was towards the front half of the rotodome and therefore the load on the rear bracket was presumed to be compressive,” the report continued. “However, when the flaps were lowered at 180 knots, the aerodynamics of the rotodome changed in such a fashion that the lower half became tensile because of the shift in centre of pressure. Under these circumstances, the two rear brackets failed, as established by the Court of Inquiry.”

Give it up, DRDO was told by political masters. If the IAF wants one, they can buy.

Christopher and team did not give up. “We all believed that if America or Israel can do it, so can we… and we decided to do it all our way. Well, it means indigenous,” recalls Varughese. They still nursed hopes of building another, probably not one with a rotodome that was unstable, but something more robust. “The crash was a costly lesson we learnt,” says Rajalakshmi. “Also by then, the technology had changed from mechanically scanning to electronic scanning.” In other words, you don’t need a rotodome to rotate; you can have a fixed panel that emits electronic waves all around. “From 1999 to 2001, we did a lot of studies on newer technologies,” she says.

Experiments began with an Israeli Phalcon airborne surveillance system mounted on a huge Russian Ilyushin-76 aircraft. At the same time, the effort to develop the indigenous AEW&C continued earnestly since 2004. The challenges were manifold.
 
View attachment 51949

Apparently, Netra is based on EMB-145 XR. That narrows down the number of airframes produced to around ~100 in the market.

Thanks to @KaliputraX for the find.
What is the point of Netra mk1a , its just like Tejas mk1a with incremental improvements and still falling short of the real deal

Netra Mk2 ( just like Tejas Mk2 ) a half hearted filler .

DRDO should start considering Dassault Falcon 10x for its future Netra mk3 with conformal radars.

IAF should just order more A321 Netra mk2 or buy L3Harris Phoenix
 
@Aniruddha @randomradio

How wil EL/W 2085 be difficult to integrate to IACCS if we already have EL/W 2090 ( Phalcon ) along with Tejas EL/W 2052 and ELTA scorpius .

Moreover, whole network centric warfare of IAF is based on BNET SDR supplied by Astra - Rafael JV in Hyderabad along with. NETCOR ( Global Link ) given ToT to IAF SDI from Rafael Advanced systems

The AWACS radars come from the same technology tree as Green Pine, which is already integrated with IACCS, the AWACS radars are just different designations for different platforms, that's all. And they don't need to integrate with fighter radar and EW suite, they need to integrate with fighter's misison computer, which they can easily do.
 
The AWACS radars come from the same technology tree as Green Pine, which is already integrated with IACCS, the AWACS radars are just different designations for different platforms, that's all. And they don't need to integrate with fighter radar and EW suite, they need to integrate with fighter's misison computer, which they can easily do.
Great also can you tell me about NETCOR Data link by Rafael which SDI has taken.

If we compare it to link 22 of NATO and modern data links by PLAAF.

I suppose it can link all our IAACS nodes with all sorts of air borne assets like Hermes , Harop to Rafale.

Can it relay image from a sensor of 1 asset ( a drone ) to a pilot in Su 30/ Rafale or S400 operator.

Is Rafale installed with BNET yet and can its sensor fusion data be passed on with NETCOR data link to other assets.
 
Great also can you tell me about NETCOR Data link by Rafael which SDI has taken.

If we compare it to link 22 of NATO and modern data links by PLAAF.

I suppose it can link all our IAACS nodes with all sorts of air borne assets like Hermes , Harop to Rafale.

Can it relay image from a sensor of 1 asset ( a drone ) to a pilot in Su 30/ Rafale or S400 operator.

Is Rafale installed with BNET yet and can its sensor fusion data be passed on with NETCOR data link to other assets.

We know very little about the airborne system, but these two videos will help you understand how it works.


 
We know very little about the airborne system, but these two videos will help you understand how it works.



Here is video from Rafael for Global Link aka NETCOR

This shows fusing of data and passing on to buddy aircraft and ground based nodes.

I think Global Link was the reason IAF made BNET standardised across all aircrafts and AWACS and may be at Ground nodes

This looks cool just like IAI OPAL
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rajput Lion
Netra Mk2 faces program delay

Supposedly will only start modifications in 2032
Makes no sense, because it's not like the airframes aren't available or the cost escalation hasn't been approved.
The increased costs that Airbus quoted for modification of the ex-Air India A321 airframes was approved by CCS last year.
 
Is
Makes no sense, because it's not like the airframes aren't available or the cost escalation hasn't been approved.
The increased costs that Airbus quoted for modification of the ex-Air India A321 airframes was approved by CCS last year.
it reliable?

I even have doubts on CCS of Netra Mk2, since we didn't get anything from PMO/PIB or official channels.

Not to mention, IAFF A321 were seen transporting VIPs few months back
 
Is

it reliable?

I even have doubts on CCS of Netra Mk2, since we didn't get anything from PMO/PIB or official channels.

Not to mention, IAFF A321 were seen transporting VIPs few months back
The exact platforms are seen on Flight Radar

They are all in Air India livery and at Hindon AFS

Even if we send it to Airbus this year, the induction is not happening before 2029 ( for first aircraft )

Pathetic from GoI

IAF has released new RFI for 6 ( 360 coverage ) awacs in Jan 2026 ( Mk2 and Mk1a are 300 and 270 degree )

Competition will be between Saab Global Eye, L3Harris-ELTA Phoenix and Boeing-Northrop Grumman Wedge Tail

Most likely IAF will buy G6500 based ELTA Phoenix ( which has 500+ range and dual band radars L & S band )

L band radars help against detection of stealth targets

1780598334774.png1780598367015.png
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Aniruddha
Is

it reliable?

I even have doubts on CCS of Netra Mk2, since we didn't get anything from PMO/PIB or official channels.

Not to mention, IAFF A321 were seen transporting VIPs few months back
The CCS clearance for the Netra Mk2 AEW&C was widely reported by news media when it came back in September 2021, obviously there would be some truth to it.


There was a revised cost escalation to Rs.20,000 crore of which the news came out last year and the CCS subsequently granted clearance for it in August 2025.

 
  • Like
Reactions: Rajput Lion
The CCS clearance for the Netra Mk2 AEW&C was widely reported by news media when it came back in September 2021, obviously there would be some truth to it.


There was a revised cost escalation to Rs.20,000 crore of which the news came out last year and the CCS subsequently granted clearance for it in August 2025.

Then why the platforms doing VIP service at Ghaziabad instead of being in Seville Spain

Care to explain, Atmanirbhar wala

I don't think IAF is having the laugh you keep having on this topic
 
The exact platforms are seen on Flight Radar

They are all in Air India livery and at Hindon AFS

Even if we send it to Airbus this year, the induction is not happening before 2029 ( for first aircraft )

Pathetic from GoI

IAF has released new RFI for 6 ( 360 coverage ) awacs in Jan 2026 ( Mk2 and Mk1a are 300 and 270 degree )

Competition will be between Saab Global Eye, L3Harris-ELTA Phoenix and Boeing-Northrop Grumman Wedge Tail

Most likely IAF will buy G6500 based ELTA Phoenix ( which has 500+ range and dual band radars L & S band )

L band radars help against detection of stealth targets

View attachment 52005View attachment 52006
LOL, if anything (and if this news is actually true which I highly doubt) it reflects badly on Airbus taking this long to make some modifications to an airframe.
I mean it's ridiculous to think that a company which can churn out aircraft in mere months take 6 years to carry out some modification work, and this with the cost escalation being approved by CCS.

IAF's RFI release is more of an information gathering exercise which they love to do every now & then, don't see anything fruitful coming out as is the case with previous such endeavours, especially with both Netra Mk1A & Mk2 in the anvil with both programs together amounting to 12 AEW platforms.