Israel, US Strike Iran After Weeks Of Warning, Explosions Heard In Tehran

[MS Sandhu]

Iran has 1000s of ballistic missiles.

You guys has ~250, 4th gen & above fighters, ~100 3rd gen older ones than can only be relegated to strike/support role with low sortie generation.

You guys also don’t have strategic depth to relocate your fighter jets away to farther airfields, away from the range of Iranian missiles & drones.
Neither do you guys have sufficient air defense cover to cover entire country & most of of your airfield & especially low amount air defense systems that can intercept ballistic missiles.


The no. Of air launched stand off munitions that Pakistan has are also fairy low & aircraft are a platform that need *Weapons* to attack.

These bombs + their Precision kits are highly low cost systems that Pakistan produces at home at scale.

You guys also don’t have strategic depth to relocate your fighter jets away to farther airfields,

I'm surprised that you people despite being on a defence forum are so illiterate about Air Power that you don't even know how air forces operate.
Ukraine had 125 Fighter Jets in 2022 when Russia invaded it. Every illiterate thought Russians would bomb them out on the ground but despite massive firepower, UkAF not only continues to survive but conduct combat sorties daily to deny the Russians air superiority over its skies.

You can bomb the hangars with pre programmed missiles but once jets disperse away, you need to go and find them - the thing even IAF can't do let alone Iranians.

 

[babablacksheep]

These bombs + their Precision kits are highly low cost systems that Pakistan produces at home at scale.

Ah, so no/low standoff munitions.
Great snack for shorad systems.

I'm surprised that you people despite being on a defence forum are so illiterate about Air Power that you don't even know how air forces operate.
Ukraine had 125 Fighter Jets in 2022 when Russia invaded it. Every illiterate thought Russians would bomb them out on the ground but despite massive firepower, UkAF not only continues to survive but conduct combat sorties daily to deny the Russians air superiority over its skies.

Lmao, retard.
Go and look how low sortie rates ukraine AF conduct, even then its mostly to hunt subsonic cruise-missile or drones.
Ukraine rarely uses its AF in conducting offensive strikes, do not venture near russian border & their fighter planes literally hide from engaging russian fighters.

You can bomb the hangars with pre programmed missiles but once jets disperse away, you need to go and find them - the thing even IAF can't do let alone Iranians.

And where do you think the fuel, maintanence facilities, ammo/weapon storage & production to arm the fighters, to make them combat ready is? In *censored*ing static factories, warehouses etc, that can be bombed.
CI nodes, early warning radars, etc all are static that can be bombed.
Your awacs, tankers, transport planes can't be dispersed lmao.





Good luck with a bootleg dispersed air force with low sortie rate, using non-standoff weapons, without coordination, without Int, without logistics.
lmao.

Maybe if you guys had invested more in air-defence systems( also more stand off munitions)
your air-power doctrine would have been more successful,especially given the lack of strategic depth Pakistan's geography has.

Pakistan is no U.S. to able to successfully rely on air-power doctrine, yet it continues to mimic U.S. despite lacking the means & having glaring holes in critical areas, including air-power itself.

Pakistan as a nation is not capable of sustained conventional war even for few weeks,against an opponent such as Iran.

 

[MS Sandhu]

And where do you think the fuel, maintanence facilities, ammo/weapon storage & production to arm the fighters, to make them combat ready is? In *censored*ing static factories, warehouses etc, that can be bombed.
CI nodes, early warning radars, etc all are static that can be bombed.

Again I wouldn't write a whole essay about this but will give you some reference.
Go and read about Bas 60/90 strategy.
Constant mobility can be achieved by dispersing the assets thus denying the enemy air superiority meanwhile maintaining the offensive operations.
This is something Sweden did in 60s lol.

 

[babablacksheep]

Again I wouldn't write a whole essay about this but will give you some reference.
Go and read about Bas 60/90 strategy.
Constant mobility can be achieved by dispersing the assets thus denying the enemy air superiority meanwhile maintaining the offensive operations.
This is something Sweden did in 60s lol.

Pakistan is not Sweden, for starters, Pakistan doesn't have austere basing & logistical flexibility that can service dispersed fighter jets & make them combat ready, time & time again for wartime sustained operations.

Sweden walked the walk with their strategy, everything was based on that dispersal strategy, even their fighter jet gripen was custom developed for that strategy.


I also don't wanna waste too much time arguing with a retard, so I'll just say Pakistan is not Sweden.

Also:- missile accuracy, targeting data, coordination capability has advanced lot more & become lot more accessible/common compared to 60s in cold war.
We don't know how effective modern sweden's dispersal tactics will be in current era.

 

[safriz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2042343856910258614

I blame the "Orange juice" he drinks every night

 

[MS Sandhu]

Pakistan is not Sweden, for starters, Pakistan doesn't have austere basing & logistical flexibility that can service dispersed fighter jets & make them combat ready, time & time again for wartime sustained operations.

Sweden walked the walk with their strategy, everything was based on that dispersal strategy, even their fighter jet gripen was custom developed for that strategy.


I also don't wanna waste too much time arguing with a retard, so I'll just say Pakistan is not Sweden.

Also:- missile accuracy, targeting data, coordination capability has advanced lot more & become lot more accessible/common compared to 60s in cold war.
We don't know how effective modern sweden's dispersal tactics will be in current era.

Air bases have always faced the bombing threats from bombers in cold war and missiles now.
And so are the strategies built accordingly.
It's waste of time to argue when someone is hellbent with the idea that fire hundreds of missiles and lo air force will just disappear.

 

[babablacksheep]

Air bases have always faced the bombing threats from bombers in cold war and missiles now.
And so are the strategies built accordingly.
It's waste of time to argue when someone is hellbent with the idea that fire hundreds of missiles and lo air force will just disappear.

Not air-forces in general.

But
specifically *Pakistan's* airforce will be heavily suppressed & degraded for reasons I listed above in multiple posts.

 

[Sathya]

Remember operation sindoor, where after the 7th may strike on Pakistani terror assests & subsequent air-battle, we completey dominated Pakistan on followup days.


Pakistan's airdefense cover is quite shallow, with only few decent airdefense systems, their geography also doesn't have strategic depth.

Its not hard to force large percent of Pakistan's airforce to be grounded by destroying their shallow air defense cover & then air-bases, HVA, fighters.

Their operational methodology is also not flexible, highly dependent on few key nodes.


Pakistan also doesn't have a 10th of punishment taking capacity without collapsing that Iran has shown.

There are certain things in favour of Pakistan over Iran
1. Pakistan is shameless in asking USA or China to interfere.
2. If above failed, they have the knack of begging for ceasefire on time, and India is always merciful.
3. Pak can beg GCC for support with Mullah card
4. Defence pact with Saudi Arabia
5. Chinese promise of 5 th Gen fighter .
6. Actively pursuing any used weapons become available in market.
7. Best buddies with Turkey, who almost helped shoulder to shoulder..
8. Plenty of imbecile terrorist in collusion to support.
9.Highest Awac coverage in the region

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Indian media has been a clown show since Islamabad talk were announced.
I have been thoroughly entertained

The Joke is on You ie Pakistan IF you Think that Hosting Peace talks will Raise your International "STANDING "

You were BEGGARS Yesterday, You are BEGGARS Today And
You will always remain BEGGARS

And More over such A$$ lickings of US will NOT prevent you from being Bombed AGAIN by India

 

[safriz]

PAF jets escorted Iranian delegation all the way from Iran to Pakistan.
US delegation on board Airforce one and two , landing at Nur Khan air Base in the next few hours .

 

[RationalGuy]

Yup , we are also happy or we would be eating gober like Indian Muslims.

Right because sending your daughters eating Chinese shit is much much better

Again I wouldn't write a whole essay about this but will give you some reference.
Go and read about Bas 60/90 strategy.
Constant mobility can be achieved by dispersing the assets thus denying the enemy air superiority meanwhile maintaining the offensive operations.
This is something Sweden did in 60s lol.

All that dispersal and shit even if you pull it off, what use is it without oil? Indian Navy will sink every ship doing so much as carrying goat food to you all and all of your strategic oil storage sites are within the reach of our missiles as is your military production facilities. Your air force will have no runaway to take off from and no fuel to sustain sorties. All of your port cities are within reach our reach as well and will easily be destroyed due to Brahmos, LRALCM, Pralays etc. Your noodle land supplied copies of S300 couldn't even defend Bholari, Nur Khan, how will you defend the multitude of oil storage facilities, military production sites etc?

Many of India's similar sites (strategic oil reserves, missile/ammunition production sites) are deep in the South where you have no hope of reaching with conventional weapons. And don't even think of using your poor 3rd grade North Korean copy cat missiles to do so else we will send you back to stone age. The only small little chance you have of hitting our sites the same way is to convince Indian Muslims to do mass attacks against them guided by sleeper cell elements. But with RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal and CISF/CRPF that too is limited.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

You are even more entertaining than Arnab Gowswami

Pakistan is the topic on every major news outlet, and in a very good way.

So yes, the International stature has gone up.

Your International STATURE
Had Also gone up After 1979 Afghan invasion AND after
9/11 attacks

How did that Turn out for you

And again in 2013 when CPEC was being advertised as the Route to Prosperity

The whole world was being INVITED TO JOIN CPEC

Basically Pakistanis are incompetent

Therefore you will always remain BEGGARS

 

[DoraemonMaxxer]

The Joke is on You ie Pakistan IF you Think that Hosting Peace talks will Raise your International "STANDING "

You were BEGGARS Yesterday, You are BEGGARS Today And
You will always remain BEGGARS

And More over such A$$ lickings of US will NOT prevent you from being Bombed AGAIN by India

Relax my friend. Listen to Shashi Tharoor on this. He is wise. De-escalation of this conflict is in our favour. Pakistan has way more skin in this game than us plus Asim Munir is willing to do things for USA that you will not like India doing. So be thankful that they are taking all the mess on themself of hosting this negotiation.

I will full throatedly be thankful to our Pakistani guests @safriz and @MS Sandhu for their country taking this shitty job to help all of us. Especially since Trump is not really known for remembering favours he asks for later while paying back. So great on Pakistan for doing this thankless job!

 

[safriz]

Your International STATURE
Had Also gone up After 1979 Afghan invasion AND after
9/11 attacks

How did that Turn out for you

And again in 2013 when CPEC was being advertised as the Route to Prosperity

The whole world was being INVITED TO JOIN CPEC

Basically Pakistanis are incompetent

Therefore you will always remain BEGGARS

I will agree on the incompetence bit.
To actually build upon it and get something long lasting for the country, didn't happen.

However you mentioned quite a few international conflicts Pakistan helped to end, including the current one.

Can you name a few international conflicts India helped in finishing?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

I will agree on the incompetence bit.
To actually build upon it and get something long lasting for the country, didn't happen.

However you mentioned quite a few international conflicts Pakistan helped to end, including the current one.

Can you name a few international conflicts India helped in finishing?

We Created A NEW COUNTRY and Changed your Geography

IF you can Monetise your so called Mediation, only then you can call yourself "successful "

But there is Very little scope to earn dollars in this Mediation

The situation is NOT the same as 1979 and 2001

 

[babablacksheep]

I will agree on the incompetence bit.
To actually build upon it and get something long lasting for the country, didn't happen.

However you mentioned quite a few international conflicts Pakistan helped to end, including the current one.

Can you name a few international conflicts India helped in finishing?

Thankfully none.

 

[randomradio]

India doesn't have any other option then or go find new resources globally like other global powers do.

Nah, richer countries are almost at peak oil already. China and India along with a few others will need more petrochem to support manufacturing for the world, but richer countries will find alternatives faster than we will. And their peak oil will lead to an actual decline compensating for our increasing volumes.

Global peak oil by 2035.

 

[randomradio]

Our One F-16 carries the fire power that Iran can't match with 10 Ballistic Missiles. Welcome to real world my friend.
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Not survivable.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Not air-forces in general.

But
specifically *Pakistan's* airforce will be heavily suppressed & degraded for reasons I listed above in multiple posts.

Continue to believe that while Pakistan is on the way to build 5th Gen Air Power.
Second to only China in this region.

 

[MS Sandhu]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2042857274142498890

Lol sometimes i feel the only thing Pakistan did right in its entire existence is developing nukes.