Israel, US Strike Iran After Weeks Of Warning, Explosions Heard In Tehran

Well each to their own. Thats Pakistani foreign policy .
I can only apologise if it's not in line with Indian foreign policy.
The jealousy all over Indian media is hilarious 😂
I will not be laughing if I were you. You had one Afghanistan and Taliban to deal with. Now another bunch is getting ready in Iran. Where do you think all the IRGC folks will go once the war is over and the government that kept everything together falls apart? And it is next to the most troublesome part of Pakistan : Balochistan.

American operations leave lawless mess in its wake. Look at Syria. And Afghanistan. This is coming to Iran in future.

Indian foreign policy roots from Soviet communist influence. More of a keep to their own and only do business.
The same shaped China. And China is doing the same in this matter. For a good reason.
 
I guess your hindu gods are also known to marry underage girls ?
What that makes you then ?
I suggest we don't go there ?

About the actual tweet ..
Hazrat Ali was the son of the uncle of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
Hazrat Abu Talib. He was an influential clan cheif, not a Muslim, and due to his influence on the Quraish, the tribe wanting to Kill Prophet Muhammad PBUH won't touch Ali , because his dad was clan cheif.
LOL, I'm not a Hindu, or even Indian.

Epstein say what?
 
I guess your hindu gods are also known to marry underage girls ?
What that makes you then ?
I suggest we don't go there ?

About the actual tweet ..
Hazrat Ali was the son of the uncle of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
Hazrat Abu Talib. He was an influential clan cheif, not a Muslim, and due to his influence on the Quraish, the tribe wanting to Kill Prophet Muhammad PBUH won't touch Ali , because his dad was clan cheif.


That guy is a U.K. citizen & a deep peice of shit U.S. apologist , he can see & condemn all the wrongs of the world, expect west's own, he'll even justify genocide if west is supporting it.


Reminds of many Pakistanis, did you guys inherited this level of mental gymnastics
from british, or a natural behavior in your quam?
 
The pitch worked, at least in the short term. Mr. Trump announced a few hours later that he was agreeing to a two-week cease-fire with Iran.
The CF is pretty much a lip service. The Pakistanis tried to punch up and failed. There are too many parities involved in the dialogue. There are no reports being published by commercial shipping organisations that indicate that they have okayed the sailing through the Persian Gulf. There are violations being committed every other hour and no one wants to order their ships to set sail.
 
What a farce.

Probably not a stretch to call this the United States' own 'Suez Moment'.

The Ayatollah regime stays. IRGC stays. Basij still rules the streets. Iran keeps their uranium & enrichment program. The missile & drone arsenals will be rebuilt. The 'Axis of Resistance' terror proxies (Hezbollah, Houthis) remain to impose costs on Israel & Bab El-Mandeb.

On top of that, they gain more control over the Hormuz Strait and become defacto gatekeepers of ~20% of the global energy supply.

Most of the GCC essentially becomes Iran's b!tch to varying extents. The Arab Monarchies' confidence in the US' ability to protect them is shaken to the core and I won't be surprised if many of them choose to no longer host US forces going forward.

The US' own stockpiles of defensive effectors (Patriot, THAAD) are depleted to dangerous levels and will take years to rebuild. So many pre-positioned radar, SIGINT & SATCOM capabilities are lost & will take years and billions of dollars to rebuild to pre-war levels.

An utter & total disaster for US, Israel & Western-aligned actors in the region. Trump's MAGA base will probably try their darndest to spin this as a military victory (which in many ways, it still is) but the fact we can't ignore is that this war is indeed a strategic failure for the US.

It gets way worse when you can imagine China will step in and help Iran go nuclear.
 
There’s a lot in your post that is directionally strong, but it mixes solid diagnosis with overstatement.

The strongest part is this: a military campaign can still be a strategic failure. Reuters has already framed exactly that possibility, warning that a war meant to break Iran could instead leave Tehran stronger, the Gulf more exposed, and global energy markets rattled while the U.S. looks for a way out.

Where your post is strongest:

Iran’s regime has not been overthrown. The current ceasefire is a two-week pause, not regime change, and Reuters reports that Iran entered it with demands for guarantees, compensation, and durable terms rather than surrender.

Iran’s missile problem is not solved cleanly. Reuters reported that the U.S. could confirm destruction of only about a third of Iran’s missile arsenal, with a large uncertain remainder, much of it underground or hard to assess.

Hormuz has become a source of Iranian leverage, at least politically. Reuters reported Iranian demands tied to shipping and the Strait, including fees and conditions linked to a broader settlement. That is not the same thing as permanent Iranian control, but it does show Tehran emerged from the war with bargaining power around the Strait.

Gulf confidence in the U.S. is indeed shaken. Reuters and regional analysis both point to deep Gulf unease about U.S. protection, especially after sustained attacks on Gulf infrastructure and Washington’s wavering over escalation versus exit.

U.S. interceptor depletion is a real concern. While Reuters has not given a definitive official depletion number in the same style as the post, multiple serious analyses say the war has burned through critical stocks at a pace that could take years to rebuild, and Reuters reporting on broader munitions strain is consistent with that concern.

Where your post goes too far:

“On top of that, they gain more control over Hormuz” is too absolute. Iran gained coercive leverage and bargaining position, but the current arrangement is a ceasefire-linked reopening, not uncontested Iranian sovereignty over the Strait.

“Most of the GCC essentially becomes Iran’s bitch” is rhetoric, not analysis. Gulf states were badly exposed, but that does not mean political subordination. What is fair to say is that their confidence in Washington has been damaged and their hedging behavior will likely increase.

“Iran keeps their uranium & enrichment program” is likely true in the immediate sense, but it is still under negotiation pressure. Reuters has consistently reported that zero enrichment remained a major sticking point and that any final deal would revolve around nuclear limits, not simple acceptance of the status quo.

“The Axis of Resistance remains” is broadly true, but the post understates that these actors also took losses and may not be emerging unchanged. Saying they “remain” is fair; saying they emerge untouched is not.

So the clean verdict is:

Yes, it is reasonable to call this a strategic setback for the U.S. even if tactically it inflicted serious damage. But calling it a total Iranian win overstates it.

What seems truest is this:

Washington and Israel showed they could hit hard.
Iran showed it could survive, impose costs, and leave the war without the core political outcome its enemies wanted.


That is exactly the kind of outcome that makes people reach for “Suez moment.” My tighter version would be:

Not a total U.S. collapse, not an Iranian triumph in every sense — but very plausibly a strategic failure if the war ends with Tehran still standing, Hormuz leverage intact, Gulf trust damaged, and U.S. munitions stocks badly thinned.

Pyrrhic victory for Iran.
 

Ah, yes, with everything apprently destroyed, now the Iranians can start from scratch and invest only in technologies that actually worked. With the economy undamaged, all their resources can go into war-winning technologies.

After having discovered all their shortcomings, like their air defenses, lessons learned can be implemented with more resources. Now, Iran will be able to build world class air defenses.
 
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This is what I posted on the other forum a couple of days back before news of the CF came through :
Just thought I'd pen my Monday musings but got caught up in work so here goes -

The US is not in a position to undertake a ground invasion of Iran . Not with their allies who are out of the loop as of now thanks to Trump's shenanigans & certainly not alone. In any case Israel was never part of such an invasion.

Besides even if an invasion is mounted where would they enter Iran from ? Paxtan ? There'd be civil war in Paxtan if such a move materialized. Afghanistan is out of the question .

So are Turkmenistan & Azerbaijan for they're landlocked. Which brings us to Iraq . Same problem as Paxtan only much worse given they're a Shi'a majority. Leaves out Turkey . Don't think even Turdogan is so stupid. Kuwait is out of the question. It's a thin strip of land & an apology of a nation.

Leaves out a D day Normandy style invasion. Except the entire coastline would be mined & suicide squads awaiting the landings .

But to get back to my original point neither is the US in a position to undertake such an endeavour nor is Trump stupid enough to attempt it .

All that accumulation of Special Forces in the concentration we see it in the ME was either meant for an operation to capture their enriched uranium which was botched or for shallow thrusts like the taking of Kharg Island among other islands as a bargaining chip though as of now the option seems to be losing favour with the US given it would be a highly escalatory step with huge repercussions for similar facilities in the rest of the ME.

On SM & MSM people with more knowledge & experience than you & me seem to be of the opinion Trump is caught in an escalation matrix while others seem to be of the opinion Trump's caught in a "how to end the Iran war matrix ?"

I don't believe both to be true. The US with Israel can declare an unilateral CF & walk off. What's Iran going to do ? Continue with missile attacks on the Gulf Sheikhdoms & with the quarantine across the Straits of Hormuz except for their merchandise & against payment of a toll tax to select countries while sinking tankers carrying O&NG from the rest of the ME .

They risk angering the rest of the world for holding the latter to ransom & further jeopardizing the world economy. Alternatively Iran could still fire missiles & drones at US bases in the ME & obviously at Israel. This may be restricted to the aforementioned entities or could also include military & other infrastructure especially O&NG ones in the Gulf Sheikhdoms.

In other words a continuation of what's happening now. Once again this risks serious escalation with the US which could also bring in the N option. There's a risk Iran could be playing the game of chicken here but we won't get to know unless the US & Israel declare an unilateral CF & see how the situation pans out.

I suspect it's fear of this that has prevented Trump from announcing an unilateral CF. This also means the war will be prolonged but fought at a lower intensity. This is where the Bahrain proposal before the UNSC which was vetoed by China & Russia comes in . If no solution is reached within a few months & freedom of navigation isn't restored in Straits of Hormuz this proposal will gain traction.

While China's sitting on a strategic reserve , that's not going to last forever . This also means not letting the matter drift & let the issue escalate to a point of either no return or to the point where de escalation will take a lot of time which means the war being prolonged.

I suspect China wants to drag the issue as long as it can or at the very least till the scheduled summit between Xi & Trump where it can then get a deal in its favour.

Russia of course will enjoy the predicament the US finds itself in & is fully incentivised to see the war being prolonged. Their only incentive to aid efforts to stop the war would be to see a CF with Ukraine which as of now is being held up by the EU component of NATO.

As of now the biggest loser apart from Iran is the EU. Their economy is bearing the brunt of the conflict since they're ill disposed to Iran which is duly reciprocated but refuse to join war with Iran alongside the US.

Besides Europe's ability to fight an expeditionary war is severely limited. A look at the Naval assets of the entire EU in this regard should be instructive.

How long will this stalemate in Ukraine continue depends entirely on EU's stamina to take a hit to their already damaged economy. I suspect their response would be dictated to a large extent on the outcome of the Xi Trump summit scheduled for mid May.

The US stands to gain what with demand for it's O&NG rising thanks to the destruction of similar facilities in the Gulf plus as long as the war doesn't reach the shores of the US they can continue in this fashion with impunity as they have all through their history post WW-2 .

== The End ==
 
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Ah, yes, with everything apprently destroyed, now the Iranians can start from scratch and invest only in technologies that actually worked. With the economy undamaged, all their resources can go into war-winning technologies.

After having discovered all their shortcomings, like their air defenses, lessons learned can be implemented with more resources. Now, Iran will be able to build world class air defenses.
You make it sound like they haven't tried to already.
 
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This is what I wrote in response to a member's post there after the CF was announced .

I've excised the member's post respecting the sensibilities of the management here.

Thanks . I wrote it before the CF was announced so couldn't factor in the repercussions. In the event given recent developments it's now doubtful if the CF will hold . I remain optimistic though.

A lot of people here & outside of here are seeing this conflict as the be all & end all. This is just another chapter in Iran's antagonistic relationship with the US since the past 5 decades or 7 decades if you take the coup against Mossadegh into account or more than a century with the west if you were to take their relationship with the west into account where Iran was occupied by Russia & UK for a brief period before & during WW-2.

By no means is this the last chapter in the current book beginning with the Iranian Revolution in 1979. This will end only once one regime falls & I don't see the US or Israeli administration collapsing any time soon or at all .

The civilian uprising occured a full 6-7 months after the mid year war in 2025. For that matter the ordinary Iranians rallied around the Mullahs when they were busy consolidating power while struggling to fight Iraq in the opening stages of the Iran Iraq war. That's what most people tend to do when faced with external aggression.

What remains to be seen is how quickly the Mullahs begin reconstruction & build up the economy. Even if they're permitted sales of O&NG , western & UN sanctions remain in effect. They're effectively outside the USD & SWIFT regime .

In effect those exports will merely keep Iran & the regime at subsistence levels. In the meanwhile covert action by the US , Israel , the GCC & the west will continue. They can always go back to the drawing board & relook plans modifying them for better results the next time they go up against Iran.

The latter doesn't have that luxury just as societies at subsistence levels simply cannot course correct even if they know what's wrong coz their priorities do not permit them the luxury of change.

So what great victory are they & their supporters referring to is beyond me ?

How ? Please explain . Much of their infrastructure is in ruins. If they were facing ONLY economic ruination pre war it's a much different & 100x worse scenario now

This is similar to Hamas & Hezbollah claims of victory solely by dint of surving the carnage. That's what the Shi'a have been doing ever since the schism in Islam - glorifying the cult of martyrdom for 14 centuries now.

This isn't a winners creed , it's the creed of a survivor & you can't survive forever if your enemies are determined to exterminate you .

As Gen Patton put it rather eloquently & succinctly - "No *censored* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb *censored* die for his country."

IRGC & their associates have always run Iran . What's new in it ? Let's see how they reconstruct Iran since do remember this level of devastation isn't something the Iranians have ever faced in modern times not even during the Iran Iraq war which was mostly waged in the border regions.

Don't see how does this affect us. Iranian regime is a long term threat if it manages to thrive. They've always been in survival mode ever since the revolution which is the opposite of thriving . Usually things tend to improve after the initial tribulations.

With them it's only gotten worse & if this CF is permanent ie for an extended period of time , the IRGC will find fighting the war was the easier part.
 
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Huh? Tamil Nadu which has no Tata, Mittal or Ambani family has higher GDP than Pakistan.
Tamil Nadu population is 1/3rd of Pakistan.
Don't talk using numbers to an inbr3d. Explaining algebra to an ape is easier.
Well each to their own. Thats Pakistani foreign policy .
I can only apologise if it's not in line with Indian foreign policy.
The jealousy all over Indian media is hilarious 😂

Indian foreign policy roots from Soviet communist influence. More of a keep to their own and only do business.
Believe me when I say that Indians are NOT jealous of a country filled with inbr3d monkeys like you who can't even count or do numerical analysis 🤡🙉🙉🙉.
 
You make it sound like they haven't tried to already.

Earlier, they worked on a lot of things without a mature technological base or a full understanding of the enemies' capabilities. But now they know exactly what works and what needs to be done to make other stuff work and what needs to be junked. Plug weaknesses and enhance strengths.

Once the reconstruction phase is over, we could see a militarily far stronger Iran in the 2030s. If Western relations with Russia is not normalized, it could get worse with their involvement. I don't want to see an Iran with an overly powerful air force. We already hear news of them getting Su-35s soon.