Israel, US Strike Iran After Weeks Of Warning, Explosions Heard In Tehran

You may think that, but the party you are fighting doesn't, so that makes the difference.

To make it easier for you to understand, Iran no longer trusts the US because the US no longer has credibility.
The party being thought are idiots who murder their own civioians and beat women to death for minor disobedience. I.e. the side you're currently supporting. What credibility do you have more to the point. I mean, first you claimed there was no weapons program, now you talk of hedges?? :ROFLMAO:
They did no such thing. They locked up all their old stuff, and built new ones after 2018.
Nope.
What crap.
Google it.

  • Post-JCPOA Discoveries: While the IAEA verified on Jan 16, 2016, that Iran had taken required actions, including dismantling thousands of centrifuges, later analyses indicated that Iran may have had a "hidden" inventory of these advanced machines. These potentially hidden machines may have been later deployed after Iran began reducing its compliance with the deal in 2019.
  • Later Findings: Concerns about undeclared activities continued for years after 2016. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported findings of uranium particles at multiple undeclared sites in subsequent years (such as at Turquzabad, which was used between 2009 and 2018).
Yes. They restarted in 2021.

From your link:
  • Between February 2022 to February 2023, Iran nearly tripled its annual deployment of advanced centrifuges to over 3500 advanced centrifuges deployed during that time span, compared to the deployment of about 1200 advanced centrifuges observed between February 2022 and February 2021, which itself was double that from the year prior, February 2020 to February 2021, during which roughly 500 advanced centrifuges were deployed.
  • Iran now has over 3700 IR-2m centrifuges installed, which exceeds not only the 1000 IR-2m centrifuges installed prior to the JCPOA, but also the 3000 IR-2m centrifuges planned prior to the JCPOA.

So they had 500 centrifuges, half of what they were supposed to have under JCPOA. And that climbed to over 3700 after Trump withdrew. I see nothing wrong with this.
They were hidden, and there were undeclared centrifuges found in 2016 as implementation was taking effect.
No. If a base has nuclear activity, then it is a nuclear activity.
Nope, an underground facility at 100m with centrifuges IS a weapons program. No other reason for it being that far underground.
Nope. The "new" facility was built during Obama's time, long before JCPOA. Obama revealed it in 2009.

You don't even read your own links, and you don't even know the history of all that's happening. No wonder your country is being taken over by Islamists.
You haven't fully researched and fail to read between the lines. If Iran was really abandoning its weapons program, it wouldn't have sites 100m underground and wouldn't have enriched Uranium particles found at undisclosed sites during JCPOA.
Our ideals are simple but fair. Your realism is one-sided.

That's why the my way or the highway comment, and it no longer has any takers.
Simple but stupid. There is no way to achieve no nuclear weapons at this point (zero realism there), so India's philosophy ultimately means nukes would be rolled out across the board to every unstable lunatic regime out there. A nuclear Iran is a failed planet, even a failed state is preferable, not ideal but preferable.
 
How dumb can you be? They gave it up, you tricked them, they restarted it, but only enrichment. They still don't have a weapons program. They only have 60% enriched uranium, which is not usable as a weapon. It's only useful in advanced reactors.
84%.
Iran has denied that it has intentionally enriched uranium to a purity of 84 percent amid ongoing issues with the global nuclear watchdog and disagreements over its 2015 nuclear deal.
  • On January 21, 2023, during an unannounced inspection, IAEA inspectors found the IR-6 cascades operating in a way that was undeclared by Iran. The following day, the inspectors took environmental samples at the product sampling point and detected the presence of near 84 percent enriched uranium.
Recent findings from the IAEA indicate that Iran may have temporarily increased the enrichment level achieved in the two IR-6 centrifuge cascades beyond 60 percent HEU. On January 21, 2023, the IAEA conducted an unannounced inspection at the FFEP, during which it found that the two cascades were operating in a way that was not declared to the IAEA. A day after, on January 21, inspectors took environmental samples that revealed the presence of near 84 percent HEU at the product sampling point. Iran’s answers about this anomaly did not satisfy the IAEA, which has continued probing Iran for more credible answers. While fluctuations can occur during the startup of a cascade, when flow levels of UF6 are low, previous fluctuations in the production of near-60 percent HEU from near 5 percent LEU feed were detected and reported by Iran. Combined with the fact that the IAEA took the environmental sample detecting the near 84 percent HEU a day after detecting the undeclared operation, many doubt that the high enrichment level was accidental. There are no indications that Iran accumulated near 84-percent HEU product, rather, it appears that Iran was conducting experiments with modifying the cascades already enriching to 60 percent HEU to reach higher enrichment levels, possibly trying to do so without getting noticed by the IAEA. In a press conference, Grossi stated the IAEA inspectors will be able to determine if this was the result of a “one-time shot” or a “more deliberate effort.”
Imagine what US intelligence (spies) found out.
Even if they attempt to make nukes, it will be nothing more than 1-3 kt using dozens of kg of 60%, making it pointless.
Still using incorrect figure.
Anyway, JCPOA was a legally-binding UNSC-sactioned treaty, which Trump illegally withdrew from, hence the lack of credibility. No treaty with the US is possible at this point in time. The only choices today are either an invasion or call it quits and go home. Treaties are over.
Not binding.
Now the situation is such that if the US quits, China will find a way to wriggle back into Iran and protect it while Iran goes nuclear in a few years, NoKo-style.
Might just nuke the nuclear sites yet.
 

The Great Game !
3 weeks ago I argued the US goal in Iran is to seize the global oil spigot. Venezuela in January -> Iran in February.

Neutralize every supply channel outside the dollar system within 90 days. Achieve a compliant successor government and complete energy dominance.

The oil thesis was the obvious layer. However, when you zoom out & view the last four years as a single sequence rather than isolated geopolitical events, the architecture of the grander US plan becomes visible.

1st was Europe, which laid the groundwork.

The Ukraine conflict provided the justification for sanctions that collapsed Russian pipeline gas from 150 billion cubic meters to 40.

Then Nordstream was destroyed, which rewired the entire European energy system permanently. The US went from supplying 28% of Europe's LNG in 2021 to 58% by 2025, exporting a record 111 million MTs, the 1st country in history to break 100 MT.

Europe was transformed from a customer with options into a captive market now purchasing its survival in USD.

2nd was Syria.

The fall of Assad severed the critical node connecting China's Belt & Road Initiative to the Mediterranean.

The trilateral railway linking Iran, Iraq & Syria, designed to bypass Western maritime chokepoints, was completely destroyed.

This isolated Iran geographically & cleared the path for what came next.

3rd was Venezuela.

In January the US effectively took control of the world's largest heavy crude reserves. The US Gulf Coast has the most advanced refining complex on earth, specifically built for heavy sour crude. Phillips 66, Valero & the rest are now positioned to process hundreds of thousands of barrels of Venezuelan crude daily.

The US captured a massive strategic reserve & solidified its position as the dominant exporter of refined petroleum products, an industry worth $110 billion in 2025 alone.

Venezuela & Iran were the two major oil supply channels that existed outside the dollar system. Both produce heavy crude sold primarily to China & evaded US financial supervision. Both now being neutralized within 90 days, which leads us to..

4th is Iran & the Middle East energy shock.

Israel struck Iran's South Pars gas field, the world's largest natural gas reservoir. Iran retaliated against Qatar's Ras Laffan, the single largest LNG facility on earth, responsible for a fifth of global supply. QatarEnergy's own assessment is that 17% of export capacity is gone and recovery will take up to 5 years. The Strait of Hormuz is closed. European gas prices spiked 70%. Asian spot prices doubled.

The only remaining scaled supplier? The United States.

If Iran falls & a successor government is installed that the US controls or influences (the Delcy model described weeks ago) then roughly 40 to 45 million barrels per day of global production out of 103 million is effectively under US control. OPEC becomes irrelevant because the US coalition is now the marginal producer. Now add the gas dimension & it goes beyond oil.

This war is solidifying the petrodollar system as it evolves into a hybrid petro/LNG-dollar. The old system was built on Saudi crude priced in USD. The new system is built on American crude plus American gas from the Gulf Coast, with no alternative supplier of comparable scale. The dependency is deeper because LNG infrastructure requires long term contracts & regasification terminals that lock buyers into supply relationships for decades. Europe & the Pacific allies (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.) cannot pivot away as there is nowhere left to pivot to. They're now locked into the US energy system.

The market confirms this. DXY went from 96 to 101. Gold down ~20% from its January all time high. Bitcoin down 20% on the year. Brent above $100. European & Asian institutions are liquidating precious metals and crypto to buy dollars because they need dollars to buy the only remaining scaled energy supply. The world is selling its gold to buy American energy in American currency. The dollar is now being weaponized through energy dependency.

The structural repricing is happening regardless of how the conflict resolves.

But the US grand strategy goes deeper..

Artificial intelligence is a physical industry. It runs on power and chips. Data centers require massive uninterrupted baseload electricity, primarily provided by natural gas. Semiconductor fabrication requires helium & rare earths.

By choking the Strait of Hormuz & crippling Middle Eastern LNG & helium production, the US is systematically degrading China's ability to power its data centers & fabricate semiconductors at scale.

The US is energy self sufficient, especially with newly captured Venezuelan reserves & expanding Gulf Coast capacity running on domestic gas.

On the other hand, China is import dependent & every joule it imports effectively now transits chokepoints the US Navy controls..

Iran was the Belt & Road's overland energy bypass, the corridor that allowed China to mitigate the Malacca Trap. With Iran neutralized that corridor is severed. China faces a world where its compute infrastructure competes for scraps on a depleted global LNG market, while American data centers run at full capacity on domestic energy.

Russia is next in the sequence. A post-war Iran reopening under US influence competes directly with Russia for the same refineries in China & India at lower cost. Iran's production costs are lower. Russia loses its last structural advantage in heavy crude & its economic lifeline. Additionally, under the Iran war cover, Ukraine has been opportunistically destroying Russian energy infrastructure & all signs point towards Russia being at the end of the line. The message from Washington becomes very simple: we dismantled two regimes in three months, your economy is about to get crushed, sign the Ukraine deal.

Then Trump sits down with Xi holding every card. Complete energy dominance. The hybrid petro/LNG-dollar fortified, Iran cleared, Russia cornered, & China facing the Malacca Trap fully closed with no remaining energy bypass.

Israel & the GCC are absorbing the kinetic cost of a conflict whose primary beneficiary, counter to the mainstream narrative, is actually America (First). Qatar offline for 5 years reprices the entire global gas market in favor of US exporters for the remainder of the decade. The Gulf states face years of rebuilding. Europe faces its 2nd energy crisis in four years.

Sure, the average American might face temporary moderate inflation & higher gas prices. But if you are the architect of the US empire & you view the rise of China & Chinese ASI as an existential winner takes all scenario, the collateral damage is acceptable cost.

Whoever controls the energy corridors controls the monetary system. Whoever controls the monetary system & the energy supply simultaneously controls the compute infrastructure that determines which civilization builds ASI first.

The US is seizing all 3.
 
just saying IEA has a vast history of drastically underestimating the growth of renewables. Its quite literally half funded by oil lobbies. I would take the results of the agency with a grain of salt.

Yep, agreed. Their assessment doesn't take into account the scale of our alternative fuels program due to its reliance on prediction. But the larger point remains, we are yet to reach peak oil, whereas our main competitor is at peak oil.
 
The party being thought are idiots who murder their own civioians and beat women to death for minor disobedience. I.e. the side you're currently supporting. What credibility do you have more to the point. I mean, first you claimed there was no weapons program, now you talk of hedges?? :ROFLMAO:

Nope.

Google it.

  • Post-JCPOA Discoveries: While the IAEA verified on Jan 16, 2016, that Iran had taken required actions, including dismantling thousands of centrifuges, later analyses indicated that Iran may have had a "hidden" inventory of these advanced machines. These potentially hidden machines may have been later deployed after Iran began reducing its compliance with the deal in 2019.
  • Later Findings: Concerns about undeclared activities continued for years after 2016. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported findings of uranium particles at multiple undeclared sites in subsequent years (such as at Turquzabad, which was used between 2009 and 2018).

They were hidden, and there were undeclared centrifuges found in 2016 as implementation was taking effect.

Nope, an underground facility at 100m with centrifuges IS a weapons program. No other reason for it being that far underground.

You haven't fully researched and fail to read between the lines. If Iran was really abandoning its weapons program, it wouldn't have sites 100m underground and wouldn't have enriched Uranium particles found at undisclosed sites during JCPOA.

Simple but stupid. There is no way to achieve no nuclear weapons at this point (zero realism there), so India's philosophy ultimately means nukes would be rolled out across the board to every unstable lunatic regime out there. A nuclear Iran is a failed planet, even a failed state is preferable, not ideal but preferable.

Use your common sense, they were already at half the rate, and they took 3 years after Trump's withdrawal to begin enrichment. They obviously used that time to actually build new centrifuges.

You are still hung up on 100 m, but it was still not a weapons program. It never transitioned into a weapons program, it was always an enrichment program.

If they decided to build weapons, it would have to be at a new facility that does not exist. Natanz and Fordow do not have the facilities for that. Their only uranium conversion facility at Isfahan was bombed last year, and they had shut down their weapons design and testing facility in 2003. Plus their Isfahan facility could only produce enough metal for research. So, no, they gave up on nukes in 2003, and kept only the 60% enrichment until 2015 and restarted again in 2021. Even in 2025, before the bombing, they did not have the ability to make a bomb even if they had over 90% enriched uranium.
84%.



Imagine what US intelligence (spies) found out.

Still using incorrect figure.

Not binding.

Might just nuke the nuclear sites yet.

Oh, yeah, sure. Just like the proof of WMDs in Iraq.
 
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Use your common sense, they were already at half the rate, and they took 3 years after Trump's withdrawal to begin enrichment. They obviously used that time to actually build new centrifuges.
Use your common sense. 2 underground facilities, 3rd being built, 84% HEU, evidence of undeclared sites. It's almost like as soon as the US is in conflict with someone, you immediately become their attorney at BS.:ROFLMAO:
You are still hung up on 100 m, but it was still not a weapons program. It never transitioned into a weapons program, it was always an enrichment program.
:ROFLMAO: WIth 84% HEU? Just for glow in the dark toys then?:ROFLMAO:
If they decided to build weapons, it would have to be at a new facility that does not exist. Natanz and Fordow do not have the facilities for that. Their only uranium conversion facility at Isfahan was bombed last year, and they had shut down their weapons design and testing facility in 2003. Plus their Isfahan facility could only produce enough metal for research. So, no, they gave up on nukes in 2003, and kept only the 60% enrichment until 2015 and restarted again in 2021. Even in 2025, before the bombing, they did not have the ability to make a bomb even if they had over 90% enriched uranium.


Oh, yeah, sure. Just like the proof of WMDs in Iraq.
They have that many underground bases, they're practically Morlocks. There's no purpose to 100m UG facilities and 84% HEU except weapons. There's no other civilian nuclear programs with such.
 
That Great Game is quite exaggerated.

LNG has plenty of alternate suppliers. Plus Hormuz exposure is only 6% of China's gas consumption. And China's storage is equal to 2 years of Hormuz supply. Only 50 bcm of 400 bcm of gas is exposed to the USD. So while others will see impact, China won't.

The impact from Venezuela is less than 1 mbpd of oil, so it's manageable due to Brazil and Russia. But their Hormuz exposure is 40%, which in turn is 25-30% of their oil needs.

Helium exposure to Hormuz is 45%. Almost half their supply comes from Russia and the other half from Qatar. That is definitely troublesome.
 
Use your common sense. 2 underground facilities, 3rd being built, 84% HEU, evidence of undeclared sites. It's almost like as soon as the US is in conflict with someone, you immediately become their attorney at BS.:ROFLMAO:

:ROFLMAO: WIth 84% HEU? Just for glow in the dark toys then?:ROFLMAO:

They have that many underground bases, they're practically Morlocks. There's no purpose to 100m UG facilities and 84% HEU except weapons. There's no other civilian nuclear programs with such.

84% is obviously bullcrap.
 
Timestamps:
0:00 120 ships destroyed — and the strait is still closed
1:44 The $5.3 million-per-kill problem the Navy can't escape
5:32 A gun that fires 65 rounds per second at $137 each
11:49 Three branches, one corridor: the convergence equation
15:18 What happens when the Warthog retires?