India eyes 6th generation FCAS, looks at tying up with France for possible collaboration

Sounds all fine & dandy . Hate to be a wet blanket. But let's see what are we getting into here? ADA is & will continue to be neck deep into AMCA Mk-1 & Mk-2 .

RN it's focusing on the LCA Mk-2. In between there were talks of the MKI zation of the Su-57. Wonder who'd be handling it? HAL? HAL themselves will be pre occupied with the production of the ~ 180 nos Mk-1a & possibly the Mk-2 after that. Then there's the HTT-40 & the IJT - Yashas they'd be mfg.

Rafale will be DRAL's baby or whoever will replace Anilbhai . No idea how much MKI zation will happen & who will implement it? Besides what's the learning for our local partner in all this ?

If we opt for this JV, TEDBF is dead not that it isn't now but there's some hope it'd morph into a 5th Gen TEDBF. Whether it happens or advisable is another topic! Which isn't a bad deal IMO. The IN can be the Project Manager here for this project which still raises the question which agency would be the development agency?

ADA as it is structured won't be in a position to handle the work load . Then there's the issue of knowledge & industrial bandwidth as this is a 6th Gen Project we're talking about where both parties don't have any experience of a 5th Gen FA.

ADA probably makes up for DA's lack of experience in this field given the AMCA project it's steering. However DA's experience knowledge & industrial bandwidth far exceeds anything ADA can bring to the table for reasons given above.

Then there's the issue of finance. 100 billion Euros was the budgeted figure across ~ 20 years to be distributed roughly equally between France & Germany. Works out to 2.5 billion Euros per annum. That's ~ INR 30,000 crores.

Let's not get into PPP & other exotic economic terms . There's inflation and to consider too so whatever we save via lesser costs of development will be taken care of by inflation & escalation.

Finally there's the issue of our famed bureaucracy , our clueless dhotis & the amiable relationship between the various arms of our armed forces all of which will have a bearing in decision making & obviously the implementation.

Too many T's to cross & I's to be dotted. Besides our establishment is extremely conservative mean it's extremely risk averse & tight fisted. They won't move forward for the life of them unless they get a swift kick on their backsides like Operation Sindoor which wasn't much of the a kick more of a wake up call & lo & behold! Suddenly the purse strings opened.

Considering all that I've mentioned & possibly other reasons I've overlooked I'm not sanguine in the least .

You are missing the most important point

IAF has no trust in either the MK2 or AMCA ,.seeing the Delays of MK 1A

So they pushed for Rafales

And now with J 35 and J 20
Looming large , SU 57 might just be coming out of the existing Nasik line of SU-30

But first we need some heavy lifting from MEA regarding F 35 refusal and conditionalities attached

So that it looks like we had no option but to go for SU 57

Meanwhile IAF is also waiting for 117 S Izdeliye engine

FCAS will be just a Financial investment in Sixth Generation, nothing else

Which technology can we really contribute for FCAS
 
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You are missing the most important point

IAF has no trust in either the MK2 or AMCA ,.seeing the Delays of MK 1A

So they pushed for Rafales

And now with J 35 and J 20
Looming large , SU 57 might just be coming out of the existing Nasik line of SU-30

But first we need some heavy lifting from MEA regarding F 35 refusal and conditionalities attached

So that it looks like we had no option but to go for SU 57

Meanwhile IAF is also waiting for 117 S Izdeliye engine
Yet both the Mk-2 & AMCA are progressing. It's only the TEDBF which is in doubt. Besides the Rafale saga is more than 2 decades old or 4 if you were to consider the original plans to acquire ToT for local mfg of the Mirage 2000 & has little or nothing to do with the Mk-2 or AMCA which didn't even exist when the proposal was first initiated post the Kargil War which incidentally was for MII of the Mirage 2000 before the proposal morphed into a requirement for Rafales later converted into the MMRCA tender.

Besides what's all this got to do with a proposed JV for FCAS ? It's you who's missing the wood for the trees as usual .
 
Yet both the Mk-2 & AMCA are progressing. It's only the TEDBF which is in doubt. Besides the Rafale saga is more than 2 decades old or 4 if you were to consider the original plans to acquire ToT for local mfg of the Mirage 2000 & has little or nothing to do with the Mk-2 or AMCA which didn't even exist when the proposal was first initiated post the Kargil War which incidentally was for MII of the Mirage 2000 before the proposal morphed into a requirement for Rafales later converted into the MMRCA tender.

Besides what's all this got to do with a proposed JV for FCAS ? It's you who's missing the wood for the trees as usual .

There won't be a JV for FCAS

We will just put in some money ,at least it will get us a seat on the table and understand what the Europeans really want from FCAS

We should have remained invested in SU 57

Doing everything solo means endless delays
 
We should have remained invested in SU 57

Well there is the existing stealth framework, This is proposing putting Indian stuff in it
Aside from the flag waving, France hasn't designed an aircraft since the 1980's and they want to jump to 6th gen and get it right on their first attempt
Both Russia and France are having issues now and are open to India

 
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AHCA ? you mean the slightly bigger AMCA mk2 that would come along with the JV engine?
Nope. All new 6th gen heavyweight Su-30MKI replacement. Internal programme is already launched as I revealed last year.
As for the FCAS, i mean depends on how much money france asks, if its 10-15 billion paid until like 2040-45 then i think we should go for it especially if they allow us to pay later in the 2030s when we got the money to spend after the growth of the economy.

A carrier capable sixth gen would be a Boon for India even if it came in the 2040s
Thing is, IAF is extremely frustrated with HAL so now we're going for foreign 4.5gen fighter in huge numbers and it's ONLY a matter of time before we sign a huge Su-57MKI deal not only as a 5th gen stop-gap but our "tip of the spear" fighter, and now with talks about joining foreign 6th gen programme, IAF wants all its future bases covered while our local aviation industry continues to mature.

Smart thinking on their behalf, me thinks;)
 
The French will happily take our money and sell us the FCAS system, but what is their incentive in making us a partner?

ADA is a second rate design agency, HAL is a fourth rate aircraft manufacturer. The combination of Dassault, Thales, and Safran have unmatched industrial capacity and technical know-how when compared to any Indian industrial grouping. So what exactly will we be adding to this grouping?

Not to mention we currently are in the middle of making 3 indigenous fighters, producing a fourth poorly, an engine development program in which we are paying the French to do all the critical parts themselves for an engine that is at best state of the art in 2000 or 2007.

So again what is an industrial partnership between India and France look like? On the other hand, this possibly explains France's willingness to unload a lot of the previous generation, manpower intensive, low tech work to their Indian subsidiary for the Rafale.
 
In the long term (2050+), we will need a 6th gen air superiority platform to replace the Su-30MKI. If that requirement can be clubbed with Navy's need for a next gen deck-based fighter, there is potential requirement for ~400 airframes of the type.

On the face of it, joining FCAS makes a lot of sense. But whether everything can be successfully negotiated or not is the question.
 
Well there is the existing stealth framework, This is proposing putting Indian stuff in it
Aside from the flag waving, France hasn't designed an aircraft since the 1980's and they want to jump to 6th gen and get it right on their first attempt
Both Russia and France are having issues now and are open to India

Rafale C first flight was in 1991.
And what about Neuron UCAV ? A technical success for a first VLO try.
 
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The French will happily take our money and sell us the FCAS system, but what is their incentive in making us a partner?

ADA is a second rate design agency, HAL is a fourth rate aircraft manufacturer. The combination of Dassault, Thales, and Safran have unmatched industrial capacity and technical know-how when compared to any Indian industrial grouping. So what exactly will we be adding to this grouping?

Not to mention we currently are in the middle of making 3 indigenous fighters, producing a fourth poorly, an engine development program in which we are paying the French to do all the critical parts themselves for an engine that is at best state of the art in 2000 or 2007.

So again what is an industrial partnership between India and France look like? On the other hand, this possibly explains France's willingness to unload a lot of the previous generation, manpower intensive, low tech work to their Indian subsidiary for the Rafale.
If France were simply trying to sell FCAS, your scepticism would be fully justified. As you point out, the combination of Dassault Aviation, Thales and Safran represents a level of system integration, avionics, propulsion and combat-cloud know-how that no current Indian industrial grouping can match end-to-end. HAL is still struggling with production quality and cadence, and Aeronautical Development Agency remains primarily a learning organisation rather than a mature design authority. On paper, this looks like a one-sided relationship.

But that framing misses what France’s actual incentive would be, if FCAS were to evolve into a Franco-Indian programme rather than a simple export.

First, FCAS is not viable as a purely French programme at scale. France can design and build a sixth-generation system, but doing so alone means fewer aircraft, higher unit costs, and limited industrial depth over time. Germany’s wavering has exposed this reality brutally. India brings something France cannot create domestically: scale over decades. Not just orders, but sustained production, upgrade cycles, and long-term fleet mass that justifies continuous evolution of sensors, engines, software and combat-cloud infrastructure.

Second, India offers industrial elasticity, not symmetry. The mistake is to assume partnership means equal capability today. It does not. What France would externalise is not “junk work”, but labour-intensive, manpower-heavy, iteration-driven segments that Western industry increasingly struggles to staff at scale: software regression, digital twins, hardware-in-the-loop testing, certain avionics manufacturing layers, long-tail sustainment engineering. That is not glamorous, but in a sixth-generation system it is absolutely central. Combat systems now evolve more through software and integration throughput than through airframe revolutions.

Third, India is not being invited because of what ADA or HAL are today, but because of what New Delhi is willing to force them to become if the prize is real. The AMCA, the engine programme, even the mediocre Tejas production rate all point to the same thing: India is paying heavily for learning, sometimes inefficiently, sometimes badly — but persistently. France understands this because it lived through its own long, painful climb from Mirage III to Rafale. The French system is not blind to India’s weaknesses; it is betting that those weaknesses are politically correctable in a way Germany’s doctrinal constraints are not.

Fourth, from a strategic point of view, India is something Germany can never be: a non-aligned force multiplier. A Franco-Indian FCAS is not hostage to NATO politics, US ITAR pressure, or intra-European vetoes. For France, this matters more than industrial ego. It preserves autonomy in nuclear delivery concepts, carrier aviation, and rules of engagement that Berlin will never accept.

Finally, on the Rafale point you raise: yes, France is already offloading manpower-intensive, lower-tech production layers to its Indian subsidiary, and that is not a sign of contempt, but a deliberate rehearsal. It is how you test whether an ecosystem can absorb responsibility without compromising quality. Every serious aerospace power does this before trusting a partner with higher-order design authority.

So what does a real industrial partnership look like? Not India “adding brilliance” to Dassault. Not France charity-training Indian engineers.

It looks like this:
France retains system architecture authority. India becomes indispensable to scale, sustainment, software velocity, and long-term evolution. And over 15–20 years, parts of that architecture authority migrate, not by goodwill, but by necessity.

If FCAS were just another fighter sale, your criticism would be devastating.
But FCAS is about survivability of a sovereign air combat ecosystem in a world where Europe alone may no longer have the mass to sustain one.

That, and not sentimentality, is France’s incentive.
 
If France were simply trying to sell FCAS, your scepticism would be fully justified. As you point out, the combination of Dassault Aviation, Thales and Safran represents a level of system integration, avionics, propulsion and combat-cloud know-how that no current Indian industrial grouping can match end-to-end. HAL is still struggling with production quality and cadence, and Aeronautical Development Agency remains primarily a learning organisation rather than a mature design authority. On paper, this looks like a one-sided relationship.

But that framing misses what France’s actual incentive would be, if FCAS were to evolve into a Franco-Indian programme rather than a simple export.

First, FCAS is not viable as a purely French programme at scale. France can design and build a sixth-generation system, but doing so alone means fewer aircraft, higher unit costs, and limited industrial depth over time. Germany’s wavering has exposed this reality brutally. India brings something France cannot create domestically: scale over decades. Not just orders, but sustained production, upgrade cycles, and long-term fleet mass that justifies continuous evolution of sensors, engines, software and combat-cloud infrastructure.

Second, India offers industrial elasticity, not symmetry. The mistake is to assume partnership means equal capability today. It does not. What France would externalise is not “junk work”, but labour-intensive, manpower-heavy, iteration-driven segments that Western industry increasingly struggles to staff at scale: software regression, digital twins, hardware-in-the-loop testing, certain avionics manufacturing layers, long-tail sustainment engineering. That is not glamorous, but in a sixth-generation system it is absolutely central. Combat systems now evolve more through software and integration throughput than through airframe revolutions.

Third, India is not being invited because of what ADA or HAL are today, but because of what New Delhi is willing to force them to become if the prize is real. The AMCA, the engine programme, even the mediocre Tejas production rate all point to the same thing: India is paying heavily for learning, sometimes inefficiently, sometimes badly — but persistently. France understands this because it lived through its own long, painful climb from Mirage III to Rafale. The French system is not blind to India’s weaknesses; it is betting that those weaknesses are politically correctable in a way Germany’s doctrinal constraints are not.

Fourth, from a strategic point of view, India is something Germany can never be: a non-aligned force multiplier. A Franco-Indian FCAS is not hostage to NATO politics, US ITAR pressure, or intra-European vetoes. For France, this matters more than industrial ego. It preserves autonomy in nuclear delivery concepts, carrier aviation, and rules of engagement that Berlin will never accept.

Finally, on the Rafale point you raise: yes, France is already offloading manpower-intensive, lower-tech production layers to its Indian subsidiary, and that is not a sign of contempt, but a deliberate rehearsal. It is how you test whether an ecosystem can absorb responsibility without compromising quality. Every serious aerospace power does this before trusting a partner with higher-order design authority.

So what does a real industrial partnership look like? Not India “adding brilliance” to Dassault. Not France charity-training Indian engineers.

It looks like this:
France retains system architecture authority. India becomes indispensable to scale, sustainment, software velocity, and long-term evolution. And over 15–20 years, parts of that architecture authority migrate, not by goodwill, but by necessity.

If FCAS were just another fighter sale, your criticism would be devastating.
But FCAS is about survivability of a sovereign air combat ecosystem in a world where Europe alone may no longer have the mass to sustain one.

That, and not sentimentality, is France’s incentive.
mate these are all sweet sounding words but at the end of the day the question remains, if India has to go to france to integrate any weapon then this deal is not going to be smooth. If france allows India to integrate its own weapons IN INDIA then yea this deal will be easy for the gocs to swallow especially considering how the defence budget is going to explode over the next 2 decades.

as for the second point about India being non aligned. India is not NATO, its not going to come to europe or France's rescue in any war whether on French or foreign soil unless the war involves Indian soil. Sure India will no let it be subjected to the whims and fancies of the US or euro politics so that's an advantage ig.

as for scale yea, India in the future needs a heavy weight replacement for the su30MKI and if India grows as fast as it is doing today it will need them at a scale the french will never have or hell the top 5 euro countries combined will never have.


But I think youre missing a crucial point, Why would india go for the FCAS in the first place? India is very reluctant to put all its eggs in one basket and not repeat the same mistakes like that with russia, the GCAP is also going to be a 6th gen fighter and is frankly a lot more attractive especially since the benefits india will get comparable to that of the FCAS( Unless the french give us full IP and source code).

what advantages does the FCAS have over the GCAP(a significantly more stable program who offers the same versatility of the FCAS but at a much faster timeline and india also avoids putting all tis eggs in one basket)
 
what advantages does the FCAS have over the GCAP(a significantly more stable program who offers the same versatility of the FCAS but at a much faster timeline
GCAP is not carrier capable, nor any certainty that India would get sovereignty to add nuclear weapons.

GCAP is more stable & financially in decent position, hence less leverage India will have in negotiations & get less benifits by joining GCAP from technology, sovereignty & workshare perspective.

Hence GCAP doesn't offer same versatility as FCAS for India.


FCAS's instability is not a bug but a feature for us.
 
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what advantages does the FCAS have over the GCAP(a significantly more stable program who offers the same versatility of the FCAS but at a much faster timeline and india also avoids putting all tis eggs in one basket)
There will be the same difference in price, delivery times, and performance between the Indian FCAS and the GCAP developed by a diverse coalition as there is between the Rafale and the Typhoon. Est ce que vous n'auriez pas plus progressé en participant au développement du Rafale plutôt qu'à celui du Typhoon?
 
if India has to go to france to integrate any weapon then this deal is not going to be smooth. If france allows India to integrate its own weapons IN INDIA then yea this deal will be easy for the gocs to swallow especially considering how the defence budget is going to explode over the next 2 decades.
We won't, even in this 114 rafale deal we are getting full freedom to integrate any weapon we want in our rafales.

as for the second point about India being non aligned. India is not NATO, its not going to come to europe or France's rescue in any war whether on French or foreign soil unless the war involves Indian soil. Sure India will no let it be subjected to the whims and fancies of the US or euro politics so that's an advantage ig.
Don't think, he ever implied that India is entering a security partnership that we require both parties to defend each other.
 
GCAP is not carrier capable, nor any certainty that India would get sovereignty to add nuclear weapons.

GCAP is more stable & financially in decent position, hence less leverage India will have in negotiations & get less benifits by joining GCAP from technology, sovereignty & workshare perspective.

Hence GCAP doesn't offer same versatility as FCAS for India.


FCAS's instability is not a bug but a feature for us.
see the thing is can we afford to wait till the late 2040s or the early 2050s for the FCAS? with how much china is spending they're alr at a very significant advantage over us and that will only grow for a decent while. The GCAP wants to start flying by 2028 and start operations by 2035, even assuming massive delays it would still be a decade earlier than FCAS for mass production. the FCAS is still an veyr unkown quantity in terms of success

@Picdelamirand-oil If India does fund the FCAS when do you think the fighter will be available at the earliest? because a lot of people seem to have forgotten that unlike france, India faces a existential threat from 2 nuclear armed neighbours.

Picdelamirand-oil


nuclear armed missiles on fighters is not that high of a detterance especially when compared to the fact that we got fking ICBMs that do work exceptionally well. ICBMs are not going to be easy to intercept for a very very long time and if we really need a nuclear armed missile we still have the AMCA.

as for leverage, india has the need to replace 272 su30MKIs in terms of heavyweight capablity, they cant fly for ever and will be very old by the 2040s and 2050s. This is not even cosidering the fact that india will probably expand its airforce past the 42 squadron mark as regional threats increase and the Indian economy can support it. this is an order for at least 250 GCAPs if not 300+. the AMCA, tejasmk2, rafale or any others cant replace the su30s range, altitude and sheer power.

the UK, italty and japan combined wont buy more than 250-300 GCAPs, this means India will be buying the more than all the tier 1 partners combined. Thats is a pretty powerful leverage. There is a reason why russia is willing to forgo a lot for the su57 precisely for this.
 
We won't, even in this 114 rafale deal we are getting full freedom to integrate any weapon we want in our rafales.


Don't think, he ever implied that India is entering a security partnership that we require both parties to defend each other.
have we got confirmation that the weapons will be integrated in india? cause that would need source code and thats something the frehnch are ultra reluctant to give.

the GCAP is specifically built with a modal that allows partner countires to integrate their own weapons and upgrade the aircraft which ever way they want since there is a middle interface between the full source code and the user. If India does join the GCAP as a tier 1.5 partner then it would have access to this API.

hell with India could probably negotiate a way to add its own radar to the GCAP if it needs to, even today we are on at least on par with these guys and who knows where we would be in 2035.
 
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see the thing is can we afford to wait till the late 2040s or the early 2050s for the FCAS? with how much china is spending they're alr at a very significant advantage over us and that will only grow for a decent while
Kind of + not much choice.

AMCA is not a 5th gen fighter, its a future stealth aircraft and main node of our future fighting architecture comprising of, AMCA, other fighters, CCA's, support aircraft, many ground based nodes,ISR, combat cloud to tie all this together.
AMCA is designed from start for this type of warfare, F35 & J20 were not.






. The GCAP wants to start flying by 2028 and start operations by 2035, even assuming massive delays it would still be a decade earlier than FCAS for mass production.
The thing flying in 2028 is a smaller scale demonstrator for GCAP, not even a prototype.
At best GCAP is entering service in 2040, assuming significant delays 2045 or more.

Even its design is not final yet, because final design will require input from demonstrator's flight and testings, we will see its full scale prototype in 2032-2035.


the FCAS is still an veyr unkown quantity in terms of success
Benifit is, India will have more power to influence the design of FCAS, given India and France are only ones.

In GCAP, we will be the fourth member, and our priorities differ significantly from the 3 already present, in that we also require it be carrier capable

GCAP is ahead in development but not by much, GCAP is still in early stage.


@Picdelamirand-oil If India does fund the FCAS when do you think the fighter will be available at the earliest? because a lot of people seem to have forgotten that unlike france, India faces a existential threat from 2 nuclear armed neighbours.
Either similar timeline to GCAP or few years later at most for the end product.



nuclear armed missiles on fighters is not that high of a detterance especially when compared to the fact that we got fking ICBMs that do work exceptionally well.
Nuclear armed missiles on fighters with tactical yield are a warning, a option between conventional war and full scale Nuclear war.
A strategically important option to prevent complete annihilation.
And especially a good option to respond against rabid Pakistan's nuclear attack, if it ever happens, because unlike people online or rabid Pakistani generals, GOI have to feel the weight( moral, Domestic,geopolitical, long term)of having to annihilate cities being a primary civilian entity.






as for leverage, india has the need to replace 272 su30MKIs in terms of heavyweight capablity, they cant fly for ever and will be very old by the 2040s and 2050s. This is not even cosidering the fact that india will probably expand its airforce past the 42 squadron mark as regional threats increase and the Indian economy can support it. this is an order for at least 250 GCAPs if not 300+. the AMCA, tejasmk2, rafale or any others cant replace the su30s range, altitude and sheer power.
And we have even higher leverage in FCAS, very significantly higher leverage in FCAS, because not only is our requirements vast as you said, unlike GCAP Which is financially in decent position FCAS is not, and in GCAP we will also have to deal 3 other partners whose requirements doesn't match our's.
 
have we got confirmation that the weapons will be integrated in india
Yes by Defence secretary.


cause that would need source code
No, you are misinformed.


the GCAP is specifically built with a modal that allows partner countires to integrate their own weapons and upgrade the aircraft which ever way they want since there is a middle interface between the full source code and the user
What are you implying? That FCAS will not have that options? Even if have far more leverage in FCAS than in GCAP?
If India does join the GCAP as a tier 1.5 partner then it would have access to this API
Again, we will have far more leverage in FCAS than can ever hope in GCAP, not matter how strong our position will be in GCAP.
Plus GCAP is financially and Scale wise in decent position, so no matter how much scale we offer, it will always be an add on, for greed.
for FCAS, our scale is survival of the program itself.
 
Kind of + not much choice.

AMCA is not a 5th gen fighter, its a future stealth aircraft and main node of our future fighting architecture comprising of, AMCA, other fighters, CCA's, support aircraft, many ground based nodes,ISR, combat cloud to tie all this together.
AMCA is designed from start for this type of warfare, F35 & J20 were not.







The thing flying in 2028 is a smaller scale demonstrator for GCAP, not even a prototype.
At best GCAP is entering service in 2040, assuming significant delays 2045 or more.

Even its design is not final yet, because final design will require input from demonstrator's flight and testings, we will see its full scale prototype in 2032-2035.



Benifit is, India will have more power to influence the design of FCAS, given India and France are only ones.

In GCAP, we will be the fourth member, and our priorities differ significantly from the 3 already present, in that we also require it be carrier capable

GCAP is ahead in development but not by much, GCAP is still in early stage.



Either similar timeline to GCAP or few years later at most for the end product.




Nuclear armed missiles on fighters with tactical yield are a warning, a option between conventional war and full scale Nuclear war.
A strategically important option to prevent complete annihilation.
And especially a good option to respond against rabid Pakistan's nuclear attack, if it ever happens, because unlike people online or rabid Pakistani generals, GOI have to feel the weight( moral, Domestic,geopolitical, long term)of having to annihilate cities being a primary civilian entity.







And we have even higher leverage in FCAS, very significantly higher leverage in FCAS, because not only is our requirements vast as you said, unlike GCAP Which is financially in decent position FCAS is not, and in GCAP we will also have to deal 3 other partners whose requirements doesn't match our's.
"The thing flying in 2028 is a smaller scale demonstrator for GCAP, not even a prototype." : Its a full scale aircraft, it might not be the final prototype buts its not like what the SWIFT was to the ghatak. its a proper full scale version that will be built using the same machines etc that the final version will be built with. Its also being built with industry 4.0 and digital twinning and all the other stuff.

Japan has a hard requirement for the GCAP to be available by 2035, their F-2 wills start retiring by then and they would be at a very significant disadvantage vs China. There is a reason japan is pushing for the 2035 timeline as hard. But yea a lot of stuff is happening rn so it might get delayed to late 2030s as well.

the FCAS also has spain involved lol, i think people forget about them.
 
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Its a full scale aircraft, it might not be the final prototype buts its not like what the SWIFT was to the ghatak. its a proper full scale version that will be built using the same machines etc that the final version will be built with. Its also being built with industry 4.0 and digital twinning and all the other stuff.
I never implied its swift equivalent, its a eurofighter Typhoon size demonstrator for GCAP/tempest which will be flanker size in full form.
Hence a demonstrator, and its not a proper full scale version.





according to a BAE Systems representative, but it is not in any sense a prototype for GCAP. The demonstrator may not even resemble the definitive production GCAP fighter, whose final configuration has not been decided. Rather, it is primarily intended to help BAE Systems to de-risk the forthcoming next-generation combat aircraft programme by rehearsing the application of advanced new-design solutions and digital




Japan has a hard requirement for the GCAP to be available by 2035, their F-2 wills start retiring by then and they would be at a very significant disadvantage vs China. There is a reason japan is pushing for the 2035 timeline as hard. But yea a lot of stuff is happening rn so it might get delayed to late 2030s as well.
Its not coming before 2040 at best, stop taking these comments at face value.


the FCAS also has spain involved lol, i think people forget about them
Minor partner currently, even currently its Germany and France bickering, Spain doesn't have a say.