Operation Sindoor: Aftermath

[safriz]

Am I reading this right? @safriz is genuinely concerned, eh? I guess Pakistanis with all their bluster wrt the "Atmi Bumb", the prospect suddenly looks grim right now with the mad man at it's whelm, coz he might actually use it (or try to) and end up getting Pakistan blown to kingdom come!! What a time to be alive!!

Note: Pakistan did their nuclear blackmailing during Sindoor as well (when they begged Trump to intervene like, "You ask India to stop or we will use nukes.."). This recent comment of Trump regarding Pakistan testing nukes makes a whole lot of sense now. But guess what, "Taiyari abhi jaari hai ..."

No idea what you on about.
In 2019 nuclear warheads were mounted on missiles and were on the ready on Shaheen 3.
In 2025 it didn't happen.
This time the plan was to attack financial hubs , such as refineries near Bombay .
So I have no idea where you got your info from.
Mind sharing a link ?

 

[Defc0n]

No idea what you on about.
In 2019 nuclear warheads were mounted on missiles and were on the ready on Shaheen 3.
In 2025 it didn't happen.
This time the plan was to attack financial hubs , such as refineries near Bombay .
So I have no idea where you got your info from.
Mind sharing a link ?

Only if you could read: India was on verge of nuclear war with Pak, Trump claims again amid US test plans

India has a "No first use" policy. So, the only way things could have gone nuclear was if Pak used it first, which was what they threatened US with to get them to intervene.

Regarding 2019, I highly doubt that - just the prospect of India bombing the living daylight out of Pakistan got you guys to release Abhinandan. Touching nukes would have been dealt with much harder. Like some one from Pakistan said - "Paer kanp rahe the, mathe pe pasina tha ...", remember?

 

[safriz]

Only if you could read: India was on verge of nuclear war with Pak, Trump claims again amid US test plans

India has a "No first use" policy. So, the only way things could have gone nuclear was if Pak used it first, which was what they threatened US with to get them to intervene.

Regarding 2019, I highly doubt that - just the prospect of India bombing the living daylight out of Pakistan got you guys to release Abhinandan. Touching nukes would have been dealt with much harder. Like some one from Pakistan said - "Paer kanp rahe the, mathe pe pasina tha ...", remember?

If you believe Trump that much, yiu should also have no questions about his 8 -0 statement?

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987424864467341329

 

[Defc0n]

If you believe Trump that much, yiu should also have no questions about his 8 -0 statement?

Can show me where he has said "8-0" in the context that you mentioned [Pak shot down 8 Indian jets is what you are insinuating] ? Any link?

 

[safriz]

Can show me where he has said "8-0" in the context that you mentioned [Pak shot down 8 Indian jets is what you are insinuating] ? Any link?

Dil kay behlanay ko Ghalib ye Khayal Accha hai.
Carry on.

 

[Defc0n]

Dil kay behlanay ko Ghalib ye Khayal Accha hai.
Carry on.

This is why I avoid engaging with Pakistanis. You can never, effin' ever debate with Pakistanis. He asked for a link - I shared one, I asked for a link, this is the reply ^ . Not going to engage any more.

 

[FalconSlayers]

This time the plan was to attack financial hubs , such as refineries near Bombay .

Yeah you mean those refineries backed by american, european, japanese investors and insurers, that produce and export a vast chunk of world's refined petroleum products and petrochemicals? Blud if they get hit the prices of oil globally would be enough to implode pakistan economically even if we presume karachi port doesn't get destroyed. We can still absorb the shock because of our strategic petroleum reserves and $700 bn forex reserves, both of which pakistan lacks.

Unsurprising as khaki generals have zero sense of repercussions of their dumb actions, be it Grand Slam, Op Chengiz Khan, Kargil or Pahalgam.

If you believe Trump that much, yiu should also have no questions about his 8 -0 statement?

He neither said pakistan shot down 8 indian aircrafts, nor said that pakistan didn't lose any aircrafts. He started with 5, then 6 then 7 and now 8 with the latter being the "wounded" one. Exactly how the delusions escalated across the radcliffe line. Zero points for guessing who's his sources and why he's repeating all of this when he's cozying up to the failed martial muneer and going against us for our ties with russia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1986301385122422824

 

[_Anonymous_]

We are Fkd. Thats the take .

I already wrote about it. One thing i forgot is that Munira TT and government nexus, via this constitutional Ammendment are abolishing CJSC position in Pakistan army.
So far Pakistan army had only two Full generals. One COAS , which is Munira TT , and the other was Chairman joint cheif of staff committee, CJSC.
He was the commander of the core capabilities of Pakistan army , including nuclear, and was not under the COAS.
That position will be abolished from 25th of November.
A new post will be created to lead the nuclear forces , and that new guy will be under Asim Munir.
Unlike previously if COAS Asim Munir said he wanted to start a nuclear war, the actual commander who knew all the codes the CJSC and wasn't under COAS , instead was directly under the president, and could refuse to Asim Munir.
That layer of safety is now gone

Interesting !

Munira is either planning to indulge in extreme brinkmanship or could be contemplating actual usage of N weapons be it tactical nukes or strategic ones.

The idea is the same old one. Initiate a terrorist outrage in India & then indulge in N blackmail. Since current Fauji Foundation posturing doesn't deter India , come up a variation by playing around the command structure to make deterrence more credible.

However Munira fails to understand that by doing so he has raised the stakes considerably for both India & Paxtan which also involves his own personal safety & well being . Up until now India's not targeted the top brass of either Fauji Foundation or their puppets in Islambarbaad.

This time around we'd have to definitely factor in decapitation strikes along with counterforce strikes in the very initial stages itself besides keeping the option for countervalue strikes open.

@Jaymax

 

[Jaymax]

Interesting !

Munira is either planning to indulge in extreme brinkmanship or could be contemplating actual usage of N weapons be it tactical nukes or strategic ones.

The idea is the same old one. Initiate a terrorist outrage in India & then indulge in N blackmail. Since current Fauji Foundation posturing doesn't deter India , come up a variation by playing around the command structure to make deterrence more credible.

However Munira fails to understand that by doing so he has raised the stakes considerably for both India & Paxtan which also involves his own personal safety & well being . Up until now India's not targeted the top brass of either Fauji Foundation or their puppets in Islambarbaad.

This time around we'd have to definitely factor in decapitation strikes along with counterforce strikes in the very initial stages itself besides keeping the option for countervalue strikes open.

@Jaymax

Pakistan has a history of trying old tricks to solve new problems and making a stinking mess of it for others to clean.

Munir consolidating all services under his thumb suggests he wants to the run the campaign without having to bother with peers, process or counterbalances. He knows the personal risk so he ll be hanging out in a command bunker letting his minions get plastered. Reports suggest he has already sent his family abroad.

He thinks he and his coterie have a workable plan.

Pakistan feels that its playbook of a running a high stakes conflict while crying nuke nuke might not cut it this time if Afghans join the party so it is going to mobilize all its arms for a quick campaign where it stalls the Talibs while giving India a quick 1-2 jab while crying nuke nuke for Trump to clamp down on Delhi.

Essentially a copy of India’s planned 2 front reaction with modifications.

India most likely will put PN out of misery on zero hour followed by clearing PAF by +48 hours while the objectives on the land unfold.

Pak will escalate sabre rattling (this is where it’s a dice roll).

 

[Jaymax]

A birdie’s snippet

10%ia Chindi Sindhi just put a spanner in Fried Marshmallows well oiled machine. These two are fighting behind the scenes.

10%ia is asking for his pound of flesh.

That’s the Pakistani politician. The ship is going down they are still trying to steal the linen and silverware.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Pakistan has a history of trying old tricks to solve new problems and making a stinking mess of it for others to clean.

Munir consolidating all services under his thumb suggests he wants to the run the campaign without having to bother with peers, process or counterbalances. He knows the personal risk so he ll be hanging out in a command bunker letting his minions get plastered. Reports suggest he has already sent his family abroad.

He thinks he and his coterie have a workable plan.

Pakistan feels that its playbook of a running a high stakes conflict while crying nuke nuke might not cut it this time if Afghans join the party so it is going to mobilize all its arms for a quick campaign where it stalls the Talibs while giving India a quick 1-2 jab while crying nuke nuke for Trump to clamp down on Delhi.

Essentially a copy of India’s planned 2 front reaction with modifications.

India most likely will put PN out of misery on zero hour followed by clearing PAF by +48 hours while the objectives on the land unfold.

Pak will escalate sabre rattling (this is where it’s a dice roll).

I don't think we're going to bother about Trump & the US if another Pulwama or Pahalgam is executed . The gloves will come off.

That's what all these NOTAMs are all about. Validating & checking the systems , gameplan , ironing out glitches & so on apart from sending a message to China , BD & especially Paxtan .

With this latest move by Munira , I guess our security establishment will be dusting off plans to take out Paxtan's N arsenal. I don't think GoI is in any mood to let itself be blackmailed or bullied by Trump .

I believe decapitation strikes will be very high on that list if not paramount. Munira is playing with fire.

 

[Jaymax]

I don't think we're going to bother about Trump & the US if another Pulwama or Pahalgam is executed . The gloves will come off.

The economic outcome of punitive measures can be difficult. Trump wants to mediate it’s no secret.

Kashmir is the second biggest pickle after Palestine as far as Washington thinks. Solve that (or make noise) and it’s an easy Nobel.

That's what all these NOTAMs are all about. Validating & checking the systems , gameplan , ironing out glitches & so on apart from sending a message to China , BD & especially Paxtan .

we are in agreement.

With this latest move by Munira , I guess our security establishment will be dusting off plans to take out Paxtan's N arsenal. I don't think GoI is in any mood to let itself be blackmailed or bullied by Trump .

I believe decapitation strikes will be very high on that list if not paramount. Munira is playing with fire.

Plans will be updated periodically. We might be running leadership reaction drills even now.

Munir is gambling in a high stakes poker game. He isn’t known to be that good a soldier as he is known to be a politician.

He thinks he has a good read and a good hand. That he can control the outcome even with his inferior forces.

With the latest adjustment the safety measures the checks and balances are gone. It’s now basically how Munir feels on a particular day that ll decide the fate of millions of people. I m not doubting the outcome only guessing the route.

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987504814750921089

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

@safriz

You Pakistanis can Only CRY on the internet against MUNIR

Why don't Millions come out on the streets to protest

Munir has become like Musharraf

But with Imran Locked up and Sharifs and Zardari families having become part of the establishment, only a Military Coup by other Officers can now remove Munir

 

[nair]

Am I reading this right? @safriz is genuinely concerned, eh? I guess Pakistanis with all their bluster wrt the "Atmi Bumb", the prospect suddenly looks grim right now with the mad man at it's whelm, coz he might actually use it (or try to) and end up getting Pakistan blown to kingdom come!! What a time to be alive!!

Note: Pakistan did their nuclear blackmailing during Sindoor as well (when they begged Trump to intervene like, "You ask India to stop or we will use nukes.."). This recent comment of Trump regarding Pakistan testing nukes makes a whole lot of sense now. But guess what, "Taiyari abhi jaari hai ..."

Let us give it to him, @safriz is one of the sanest person from Pakistan I have interacted in defence forums.....

 

[Subgradewalker]

Let us give it to him, @safriz is one of the sanest person from Pakistan I have interacted in defence forums.....

That supposed to be a compliment or insult ?

 

[_Anonymous_]

The economic outcome of punitive measures can be difficult. Trump wants to mediate it’s no secret.

Yup but Modi succumbing to blackmail would be an unqualified disaster. Modi stands up to Trump & he'd be a hero for generations. His political capital would be off the charts.

Kashmir is the second biggest pickle after Palestine as far as Washington thinks. Solve that (or make noise) and it’s an easy Nobel.

Too many to count beginning with Ukraine. Then there's Sudan which is seeing a genocide . The big daddy of all troubles in the Taiwan Straits is yet to erupt.

we are in agreement.

Plans will be updated periodically. We might be running leadership reaction drills even now.

We'd find out if it's 56" or 6". Personally speaking I'm not very confident of our political leadership going the whole hog. Time too isn't suitable for such moves .

For that both China & US must be severely weakened. Unfortunately we can't afford to wait till then not with Munira around.

Munir is gambling in a high stakes poker game. He isn’t known to be that good a soldier as he is known to be a politician.

He's neither. What's his end game ? Kashmir is a dead issue. Fauji Foundation has been reduced to pushing in SSG operatives whether serving or retired to stoke terrorism.

Neither is Paxtan going to be revived nor is Munira channeling his thoughts & action that way. It seems he's already given up . So what's the end game then ?!

The only logical explanation for his thought process I can arrive at going by his statements in the past 7 months since Pahalgam is the Hum toh doobe sanam ....

He thinks he has a good read and a good hand. That he can control the outcome even with his inferior forces.

Time for brinkmanship has gone. It's time for action. I sometimes suspect that's what Munira is contemplating.

With the latest adjustment the safety measures the checks and balances are gone. It’s now basically how Munir feels on a particular day that ll decide the fate of millions of people. I m not doubting the outcome only guessing the route.

Part of me thinks this man has no balls to go the whole hog w.r.t usage of N weapons if push came to shove . Part of me thinks that's what he's itching for .

But yes , he does come across as implusive & brain dead much in the tradition of Ayub Khan & Musharraf only several degrees ahead of the duo & to their right on the loony spectrum in his fanaticism. In comparison Zia was a lot saner but then that was a different era.

Also with the latest amendment this man is determined to stay . It can't be he's unaware of the dangers to him from within Fauji Foundation leave aside the other threats internal & external.

Which brings me back to my original question -What's his endgame ?

 

[Defc0n]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987741761134022849

Some one is desperate!

 

[_Anonymous_]

Maamu is at that stage of his life where he's falling in love with his cousin- wife once again. Not just for her inheritance in the form of the grocery store at Birmingham but for getting him out of Paxtan.

He's also at that stage in his life where he realises he can't cover up for Paxtan any more & he doesn't need alcohol for an in vino Veritas session. He's just too exhausted from all that negativity inside him & in Paxtan .

He's terribly disappointed not just from seeing Paxtan deteriorating but seeing our corresponding rise to the point where the gulf is not just too vast to ford but Paxtan is now a lost cause. He's arrived at that conclusion long ago but has now finally come to terms with it.

He's also counting his blessings he got out in time.

Alhamdulillah !

That supposed to be a compliment or insult ?