Analysis War game: Next India-Pakistan conflict

Jaymax said:
Israel has been for a very long time been receptive to Pakistani outreach. During the time of Musharraf there were some discreet meetings but nothing could move forward as Musharraf's relation with Islamists was already strained and he did not want to annoy them further.

Israel has been sizing up Pak for a very long time. Pak Army in Gaza is of in a limited sense useful. Look at it like a Trump Militia only an Islamic one. Which can do street patrols, conduct sweeps and keep the low level policing done. if you look at the history of the conflict, a lot of fireballs errupted because a simple street situation went out of hand. A pliant Islamic force (even corrupted and likely to get into bed with Hamas) will still have limited value and it will free up Israeli units from a very hostile and volatile zone.

Risk Reduced

Beyond that, any credible input and Israel will take rapid action. With or without Pak.

Bragging about their prowess in a village near Faisalabad is one thing. Standing up to a trigger happy and combat hardened force 3000 KM from your home bases is another.
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I agree with @anonymous on the part that the CF won’t hold. I believe the americans know this as well, and they are just doing Netanyahu’s bidding (same way that Israel got US to bomb Iran quite recently). The only problem with Pak peace keepers is that they have jihadi mindset - so can Israel guarantee that Pak won’t play some double game there - with/without the blessing of Pak military leadership? I don’t think that’s a risk Israel will take. Pakistanis see Israelis as enemy, and we know how the average Pakistani brains work!

As far as prep for multi-front conflict goes, yes, this exercise is probably to ensure that China doesn’t intervene (dissuade them by show of force) when Op against Pak resumes.
 
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Jaymax said:
Israel has been for a very long time been receptive to Pakistani outreach. During the time of Musharraf there were some discreet meetings but nothing could move forward as Musharraf's relation with Islamists was already strained and he did not want to annoy them further.
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More of a strategy to size up a potential enemy. Israel is extremely wary of their NWP. Always helps to keep channels of communication open but keep them low key outside the purview of prying eyes.

Such contacts go back to Bhutto perhaps even Ayub's time in the late 1960s from what I've read.
Jaymax said:
Israel has been sizing up Pak for a very long time. Pak Army in Gaza is of in a limited sense useful. Look at it like a Trump Militia only an Islamic one. Which can do street patrols, conduct sweeps and keep the low level policing done. if you look at the history of the conflict, a lot of fireballs errupted because a simple street situation went out of hand. A pliant Islamic force (even corrupted and likely to get into bed with Hamas) will still have limited value and it will free up Israeli units from a very hostile and volatile zone.

Risk Reduced.
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Perhaps but if that's the case the Israelis would prefer the Egyptians or the Jordanians except they can't be seen getting into bed with the Zionists. Besides there's no guarantee Hamas won't target them beyond a point .

The last thing they need is to get into a war with Hamas with the Israelis sporting a wide grin at the transference of their problem. That's something the Arabs may have foreseen hence their wariness to be associated as peace keepers .

Such thinking & foresight doesn't affect Fauji Foundation though. Has never affected them all throughout their history which is the reason they're where they are today , so why begin now ?

Jaymax said:
Beyond that, any credible input and Israel will take rapid action. With or without Pak.
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Jaymax said:
Bragging about their prowess in a village near Faisalabad is one thing. Standing up to a trigger happy and combat hardened force 3000 KM from your home bases is another.
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To the ordinary in bred sub con mawa'li convert whether from Meerut or Multan the whole Ummah is sada pind just as the wise see the world as one's oyster. With a Paxtani this notion is x ⁿ.

Alhamdulillah
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
Perhaps but if that's the case the Israelis would prefer the Egyptians or the Jordanians except they can't be seen getting into bed with the Zionists. Besides there's no guarantee Hamas won't target them beyond a point .

The last thing they need is to get into a war with Hamas with the Israelis sporting a wide grin at the transference of their problem. That's something the Arabs may have foreseen hence their wariness to be associated as peace keepers .

Such thinking & foresight doesn't affect Fauji Foundation though. Has never affected them all throughout their history which is the reason they're where they are today , so why begin now ?


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Arabs have played this game from the start. They dont want to sit on an fireant hill and take a dump only to get bites all over their behind.
Pak on the other hand feels that they have a God given mission to solve all problems of the Ummah.

Add to that the Jernails who think sending their troops to standup to Houthis, police Gaza will increase their clout with the Arabs and the US. They are mostly idle in the barracks anyways right?
 
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Jaymax said:
Arabs have played this game from the start. They dont want to sit on an fireant hill and take a dump only to get bites all over their behind.
Pak on the other hand feels that they have a God given mission to solve all problems of the Ummah.

Add to that the Jernails who think sending their troops to standup to Houthis, police Gaza will increase their clout with the Arabs and the US. They are mostly idle in the barracks anyways right?
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Idle, Nah - check with the goats there. They will surely have a few stories to tell!!
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1985243062814282211

This is extremely significant if true. With Trump’s propensity for high quality BS, it’s difficult to trust. But it will be stupid to ignore as well!

Side note: Remember all those consistent earthquakes in Pakistan post Op Sindoor - could they be tests?


@nair - May be this post should be moved out of here into some place more relevant. Please take a call on this as appropriate.
 
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Defc0n said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1985243062814282211

This is extremely significant if true. With Trump’s propensity for high quality BS, it’s difficult to trust. But it will be stupid to ignore as well!

Side note: Remember all those consistent earthquakes in Pakistan post Op Sindoor - could they be tests?


@nair - May be this post should be moved out of here into some place more relevant. Please take a call on this as appropriate.
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doubtful, pakees don't have fissile material to waste in test, subcritical testing everyone does that, what is significant is the clubbing of pakees with Russia, china & NK
 
Defc0n said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1985243062814282211

This is extremely significant if true. With Trump’s propensity for high quality BS, it’s difficult to trust. But it will be stupid to ignore as well!

Side note: Remember all those consistent earthquakes in Pakistan post Op Sindoor - could they be tests?


@nair - May be this post should be moved out of here into some place more relevant. Please take a call on this as appropriate.
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A new round of nuclear testing and advancements in military - nuclear technology is in order.

-South Korea's and Japans increasing militarisation could very likely lead to nuclear weapons. It might even be supported by USA as an answer to Russia's and China's enabling of Iran's regime and weapons.

-Iran will be emboldened only giving way to an 'official' Nuclear umbrella for Saudis ( from pak or own) & money being channeled in this domain.

-China , Russia, USA openly showing intent to further their own programs.
Russia's threats, recent missile test and deployment along EU border. China's threat with statements coming regarding to its hydrogen bomb. And Trumps approval.

- Only one we see quiet and in shadows so far is India. Only civil dimension is talked about (propulsion, energy) , no indication of other sports. Interesting to see if 8PM announcement of successfull thermonuclear detonation happens.
 
Subgradewalker said:
A new round of nuclear testing and advancements in military - nuclear technology is in order.

-South Korea's and Japans increasing militarisation could very likely lead to nuclear weapons. It might even be supported by USA as an answer to Russia's and China's enabling of Iran's regime and weapons.

-Iran will be emboldened only giving way to an 'official' Nuclear umbrella for Saudis ( from pak or own) & money being channeled in this domain.

-China , Russia, USA openly showing intent to further their own programs.
Russia's threats, recent missile test and deployment along EU border. China's threat with statements coming regarding to its hydrogen bomb. And Trumps approval.

- Only one we see quiet and in shadows so far is India. Only civil dimension is talked about (propulsion, energy) , no indication of other sports. Interesting to see if 8PM announcement of successfull thermonuclear detonation happens.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1985282595706581219

It will be huge if India comes out and says, you know what, we tested our TN design which can scale from KT to Multi-MT.
 
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Whenever they cry about false flags, it is pretty much always them planning something sinister. During Op Sindoor they claimed that Indian forces are using BMs on own territory, specifically Punjab and will be blaming Pak for the same. Like clockwork, they launched, Fatah and Hatf on Amritsar.
 
Defc0n said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1985282595706581219

It will be huge if India comes out and says, you know what, we tested our TN design which can scale from KT to Multi-MT.
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Last test was under BJP. If now it happens in the same govt, it might just cement it's position as The party to go for when it comes to topics of national security.

But, before such moves, plenty of groundwork needs to be done by economic , trade , diplomatic , law experts.. since any explosive tests will render preferences in US-India civilian nuclear agreement. Like NSG membership.
But it's not about being isolated (which powers will try to) but just legal and political manouvores now, since India has gained enough credibility and position to not be walked over like past.
 
Defc0n said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1993272188968092112

Another missile test ..
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finally hypersonic? or yet another agni(though its quite possible multiple systems get tested under the cover of the agni umbrella)? We have been hearing a lot of news about the ETLDHCM and the progress on the scramjet but sadly no confirmed news about the testing(one unconfirmed but nah that report looks unreliable af)
 
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finally hypersonic? or yet another agni(though its quite possible multiple systems get tested under the cover of the agni umbrella)? We have been hearing a lot of news about the ETLDHCM and the progress on the scramjet but sadly no confirmed news about the testing(one unconfirmed but nah that report looks unreliable af)
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God knows what gets tested. Also keep an eye on if the notam gets extended again.
 
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