Operation Sindoor: Aftermath

Pakistan cannot be solved - this is going to be a permanent nuisance. When I said that we let Pakistan live another day to fight, it doesn't imply I want Pak nuked. I see Pakistan the same way we see over grown bushes - they need periodic trimming. Sindoor 1.0 was that trimming done to Pakistan, except, we could have trimmed further. What basically needs to happen is that Pakistan's capability to fight needs to be destroyed completely such that even with China's and/or US's help, it takes them 4 to 5 years at the very least to get back to some shape. This is the 5th month (after the Op) for god's sake and we are already expecting another war with Pak - this could have been avoided is my point. I understand the rationale behind the short and swift conflict and I do get the "why" of it. However, in that scenario - we should have weighed the Pros and Cons of letting Pak off the hook.

One thing I am 100% sure right now, something has happened behind the scenes from Pak side which has caused the RM, ACM and Army Chief threaten Pak so openly and in no uncertain/ambiguous term within 24 hours. I don't recall any army chief saying this, ever!! This should show the gravity of the situation and the result of backing off "when we were on song".
True Should have blown up Karachi and Fauji foundation infrastructure when we had the chance tbh. Would have hurt them where it matters the most. But as usual our policy makers were playing the equal equal game. We only would have attacked Fauji foundation infrastructure if they had attacked our Industrial infrastructure first. Our policy makers need to grow out of this bs reactive mentality.
 

True. Earlier , it was only about indian kashmir, should LoC = IB. Sardesai even said it on TV live that pok isn't part of india. That was the mentality and we went along with it. Even I used to think that it's futile. Just make it IB and be done with it. Never realised that even if we want to, they don't want to.

After abrogation and subsequent handling and elections.. the whole narrative is flipped! Now it's about, when PoK! Even during college days in group discussions.. pok used to rarely come up back then, but now I see that MUN are being held on pok
 

"THIS TIME WE SHALL SHATTER THE MYTH OF GEOGRAPHIC IMMUNITY, HITTING THE
FARTHEST REACHES OF THE INDIAN TERRITORY."

and

"AS FOR THE TALK OF ERASING PAKISTAN FROM THE MAP, INDIA MUST KNOW THAT IF SITUATION COMES,
THE ERASURE WILL BE MUTUAL"

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These two sentences portray the actual picture. We as a nation are on the cusp of witnessing a full blown war, GoI should ensure that the country men understands this.

There needs to be permanent units of systems like CIWS or D4 , CUAS/V systems with the BSF. Shoot at sight.

Not the time to play it normally

I am both amazed and surprised at the number of such events that happened since the ceasefire declaration. Should be dealt with sternly - shooting them down is not enough, this cannot be allowed to become the new normal from Pakistan side, it cannot go unpunished.
 
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Yeas we can, capture the shore and cut pak from arabian sea firever, capture pok & cut pak from china.
You didn't understand my point. I literally said we have to do this but it isn't possible in a single war. Because it easier to say let's capture this and that than to do. We can capture their coastal areas but how will you keep it. Just look at Russia-Ukraine war. Urban warfare is brutal. PoK is a bit more viable. Terrorism from Pakistan won't stop even then either because those guys will still resort to Asymmetric warfare/Terrorism just like the Hamas. You can't end Pakistani terrorism in a single war. You need to use every tool in your arsenal to steadily weaken them. Breaking apart that state, creating rifts within it, doing everything to widen the rifts that already exists, etc...

Did the Hamas/Palestinians ever stopped doing/sponsoring terrorist attacks on Israel despite getting bombed to oblivion? They didn't. Infact they still dream about destroying Israel despite losing a good chunk of their land consistently to Israel. Heck nowadays even global narrative is getting against them despite their world class lobbying. That tells you something..these kinds of things are a gradual process and you can't end it all in a single war.
 
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You didn't understand my point. I literally said we have to do this but it isn't possible in a single war. Because it easier to say let's capture this and that than to do. We can capture their coastal areas but how will you keep it. Just look at Russia-Ukraine war. Urban warfare is brutal. PoK is a bit more viable. Terrorism from Pakistan won't stop even then either because those guys will still resort to Asymmetric warfare/Terrorism just like the Hamas. You can't end Pakistani terrorism in a single war. You need to use every tool in your arsenal to steadily weaken them. Breaking apart that state, creating rifts within it, doing everything to widen the rifts that already exists, etc..

I believe in a layered anti infiltration grid along with using some "unethical" means of changing terrain itself.

Make the border area a cognitive hazardous zone by using advanced technology. Nuerotech. Bio tech etc. nano robots. A *censored*ing electric line that gives shock at regular intervals. Make it so that the infiltrator die in the cognitive maze itself.

But that requires some chinese level shit.
 
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Here: Point 1, 3, 4, 7 confirmed

What they are doing which is India centric:


1. Pakistan is trying best to get western weapon systems be it second hand
2. Increased the momentum of proxy war to create hostage situations and espionage activities ( especially Industrial and military espionage)
3. Producing more SRBMs and MRBMs. MRBMs so that they can be launched from western areas of Pakistan
4. Deploying more radars to cover larger areas

5. Getting comm devices with better encryption, telecom devices to tap telecom networks and increasing their cyberwar capability
6. Approaching countries where India has very good strategic and trade relations to sabotage diplomatic relations
7. Planning such covert operations where India has no way to blame Pakistan, and there is a scope of deniability

Here : Point 2, 3, 4
What they will do:

1. They will launch surprize covert operation to take Indian villages as hostages before evacuation could take place to blackmail India
2. Use of special force to sabotage/neutralize Indian air defence and tele comms
3. Use of MRBM and long range cruise missiles
4. Get real time inputs from their foreign partners

5. Suspend all treaties with India to make Kashmir issue a multiparty issue to involve direct help from foreign partners

additions and corrections are welcomed.
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No matter what Indian government must immediately evacuate border areas without any delay in case of escalation this time.

Border areas must be on alert
 
These two sentences portray the actual picture. We as a nation are on the cusp of witnessing a full blown war, GoI should ensure that the country men understands this.

I also have a feeling that that government has made the mind regarding Pakistan that this can't continue for generations. Repeat of 1971 is very much possible, Narendra Modi will do it for national security reasons and also to tell Congress that Indira Gandhi is not the only one.
 
I also have a feeling that that government has made the mind regarding Pakistan that this can't continue for generations. Repeat of 1971 is very much possible, Narendra Modi will do it for national security reasons and also to tell Congress that Indira Gandhi is not the only one.

Tere muh me ghee shakkar! Bas shuruat zara bangladeshi jihadi ke saath kardena warning ke liye.
Taki Zara sambhal ke chale wo. Warna unke saath kisi attrition of war bi nhi lagega.

Aur gogoi ji ko zara as ambassador to pakistan, and mamta ko ambassador to banglaesh bhej dena. Taki, mamta waha par bangladeshio ki sankhya badha sakhe, india se bulakar. Aur gogoi pak ko bata sake ki indian jets border nahi, due se marenge
 
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I believe in a layered anti infiltration grid along with using some "unethical" means of changing terrain itself.

Make the border area a cognitive hazardous zone by using advanced technology. Nuerotech. Bio tech etc. nano robots. A *censored*ing electric line that gives shock at regular intervals. Make it so that the infiltrator die in the cognitive maze itself.

But that requires some chinese level shit.
taking over any part of pakistan is just waste of time & resources , they have enuf monkeys which can kill themselves for a dollar or less. Best thing is to create & support anti-pak forces inside the country. Their own terrorist groups can be made to go rogue & independent.
 
True Should have blown up Karachi and Fauji foundation infrastructure when we had the chance tbh. Would have hurt them where it matters the most. But as usual our policy makers were playing the equal equal game. We only would have attacked Fauji foundation infrastructure if they had attacked our Industrial infrastructure first. Our policy makers need to grow out of this bs reactive mentality.
The Indian political class has this burgeoning desire to not be seen as an aggressive state or be labeled as a "pariah" by the west. Deep down they crave the praise and validation of the west, especially many babus sitting in policy decision making and MEA etc. After all, they send their kids to universities in the west and they themselves will go there once their service is over.

Of course, there are some exceptions. I remember reading that the son of the deputy director of RAW was studying in US. The CIA FBI approached him and told him they will give him greencard if he "cooperated" with them. The dude responded by packing up his things and heading home the next flight. In another example, Raja Ramanna the head of the Indian nuclear weapons program was visiting Iraq and was offered money by Saddam Hussein in the 1980s to build him a nuke, but Ramanna literally ran away from Iraq overnight. Perhaps, you can see now how capable RAW and the Indian nuclear weapons establishment is as compared to MEA and the normal MoD.