Operation Sindoor: Aftermath
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theyre trying to prevent another major terror attack, There was a recent massive ISIS threat that got busted and its a warning to pakistan AND the taliban(who will visit next week i think) to not attempt BS. The taliban looks like it wants to establish relatively* friendly relations with india(morally we shouldnt but hey since when has morality ever mattered) so they shouldnt be trying anything right now.
It could also be posturing because of intelligence about the sir creek buildup by pakistan or js intelligence that pakistan is attempt to avenge its losses.
What the hell is going tonight..
So many twist and turns .
Pakistan will try to do something, I can feel it in my bones! The timing (if we don’t preempt) is in Pak’s hand — this kind of speeches have not deterred Pak in the past and will not deter them now, specially when they are suc*ing Trump’s on a daily basis to get his protection and money. I really hope we preempt this time if there is a semblance of a chance of Pak doing something, either a terror attack or probable direct attack on Jamnagar (Munir’s wet dream and probably it’s also in Trump’s wish list to hit India’s energy sector) .
Yeah agree they may have got some new intel but OP Sindoor should have prevented that already but then you constantly hear some or the other encounter happening in Kashmir, then you hear about some ambush on Assam rifles, and then infiltration bid every day at LOC. PM Modi made a statement that demographic change is a serious threat.
Therefore they need to get trade agreements signed asap, secure exports and start building economy to compensate the loss and prepare a plan to secure more land resources in or outside India for minerals.
That was a given. I even mentioned it earlier. It's time for India to back gaza plan while pak finds it self in tricky place. The jihadis at their home don't like the plan. Neither do they like that supporting it means recognising israel.
Time to nominate Trump for Nobel, anyone
.The test is coming. Testing the states will and it's new doctrine. It was always on the cards. That's why OP sindoor is only paused.
It's not pakistan but the old power table " P5+" that will push to test india.
Consider it as a baptism you go through to get a seat at the big boys table.
Yup. The Taliban visit will be critical. Pak military won't like Taliban shaking hands with India. They will wanna send some signal like they have some previously after their PMs visit.
While, ofcourse the first goal is deterrence and posture... The tone is
.Karachi ka rasta sor creek se jaata hai.
Army saying ki pakistan ko ithihas aur geography me rehna hai ki nahi
.. That's serious ultimatum. They haven't just set red lines for pak but also for themselves. Can't back out now without paying costs that RM cant bear.
While, ofcourse the first goal is deterrence and posture... The tone is
Karachi ka rasta sor creek se jaata hai.
Army saying ki pakistan ko ithihas aur geography me rehna hai ki nahi
They haven't just set red lines for pak but also for themselves. Can't back out now without paying costs that RM cant bear.
It’s one thing to say this and it’s quite another to follow through with it. So far our political class has been quite underwhelming in the “following through” part of the story. From a political perspective, despite the success of Op Sindoor, Indians are actually not quite happy about the fact that we let Pakistan live to fight another day (again!!) after quite fiery statements from PM (will hit terrorists and their backers). “Hitting the backers” was not part of the original op (May 7) and it was when Pak army started retaliating that we hit them (and quite hard to be frank). We could have and should have crippled Pak’s capability to fight for the foreseeable future and done so publicly. We should have stopped only after a public call / surrender from Pak (request for ceasefire).
What GoI is inadvertently doing is backing itself into a corner - in case some sh*t go down, the entire onus will be on GoI to follow through with the threats made via these statements or face the brunt of the country men in the next election.
As is, GoI is not in a strong place with quite a few very pressing problems that is being handled by monkeys on high quality crack (Ethanol blending and planned obsolescence of Pre-2023 cars), taxing middle class to an extent where it’s down right abusive with no facilities to the tax payers … Even worse, we have an opposition which is worth less than donkey sh*t — so cannot expect any tough and pertinent questions from there as well (Parliament session after Op Sindoor was a circus - there were many important things that should have been brought up, but it was all about the “Rafale” )
I went a bit off-topic here but it’s all pretty pertinent in the context of what lies ahead for our country.
We're fighting a nuclear power backed by 2 superpowers. Be patient and rationale please. Its going to be a long drawn out fight.
As for ethanol blending, it reduces how much oil we import and saves billions which could be spent elsewhere you know like buying more jets but alas our govt on both sides would rather spend it on freebies.
I am not against ethanol blending and I acknowledge the need for the same. The problem is with how the implementation is being done - you don’t force cars with E10 or below to run E20, that too 5 years earlier than when it was supposed to roll out without an option for E10 Petrol for the non-compliant cars. Ultimately who is going to suffer? It’s the consumer and Gadkari being a bone head and saying all legitimate complaints as “Petroleum lobby” is not helping the cause. If there was an option of E10 petrol available and pumps check for car compliance before filling petrol, no one would have said a thing.
I am being 100% rational here, Pakistan was being backed by China during Sindoor — we knew that was always going to be the case, doesn’t justify stopping the op based on some private call from Pak DGMO. When you have your adversary on the mat, finish the job for gods sake! If we had, we won’t be looking at another major conflict looming over the horizon, now with USA siding with Pakistan as well. If this is not short sighted planning, I don’t know what is.
The thing is we can't really end the Pakistan problem..it's more of a vile idea than a country. Even if we nuke them they will still find a way to cope with that. And will claim false glory in that. Never forget these are the same people who claimed victory in 1971 despite losing half of their country. At best any action we take is just gonna create a temporary deterrence till they gather enough insanity to mess with us again. Also there is no shortage of powers in the world who would like to keep Pakistan alive even at deathbed just to keep us busy. So the dilema is how do we truly end the Pakistan problem? Is a single war victory gonna solve it? I don't think so. We have won like 4 wars and multiple conflicts. The only way we can end Pakistan problem is through a multifaceted effort. Through espionage, through social and political creating distability and breaking it apart literally. And giving it a military beating once in a while to weaken it's economical and military infrastructure. And we should use whatever means possible to do that.
It's like Batman vs Joker in the comic. We are obviously the Batman here..
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So Chinese backed off from CPEC and CPEC failed? LOL.
No matter how much we feel indignant about ceasefire, a rational person needs to understand that the nation was barely prepared for OP sindoor 1.0.. How many of indians would've thought that this will go beyond pok. Hitting punjab. Basically the heart lung kidney everything of Pakistan.
Didn't you feel aww when the new came out first.. the videos that poured. Heck, I had water in my eyes, cause that was the biggest "world's largest democracy, soon to be 3rd largest economy" level self confidence in action!
At that time, emotionally I was like bring in navy, getting tired of pak. But cool downed emotions and look at how a section of Indian reacted just after strikes of May 7 itself.
Rather than locking yourself in a protected war and let snakes inside create trouble for people instead.. it's prudent to complete objectives, cross the barrier of pok and IB. Break the mental chains that was binded around the mind of Indian through fear and "idealism" and set the benchmark.
Now the govt, finally had justification and motive to move the state machinery to take care of internal threats and as I said, prepare the society at large for war. Maybe when they take eyes off palestine flag, they will see a tricolor lying there and Fatah-2 intercepted over sirsa.
Cowards will say baat karo, others will prepare for jung. The soldiers in various parts of India going regular training at some base camp, away from action.. now knows that the possibility is real .
The filmmaker if there are any good left yet, they can see the opportunity to bring ethos of unity through music, art, culture etc.
I don't know how successful as a society we will be to be ready. But I know there will be enough ready. From BVGs to volunteers , defense industry, DRDO.
And this is just my understanding that the heightened tensions and the kind of attack on pak would've made pak sympthaziers in india very sad and in pain. Then there's possibility of increase in sleeper cells activity seeing their nation get boomed.. increasing the chances for slip up.
The war is way too nuanced and complex. Previous wars were literally forced upon us. Leading to issues in all wars.
This time, we have a chance to be prepared for it. So, why not.
It also let us know the weakness. The infowar and communication with public at regular intervals. The hijacked narrative.
I won't comment on if ceasefire was 1 or 2 days sooner etc.. cause there were reports that DGMO delayed the call, so IAF could hit some more targets. But the risk of protected war was not unreal.
For all the political cost ( good or bad ) an able leadership should seperate it when talking about serious issues involving the kind of stakes a war will.
Rest is marketing communication PR etc for political parties to take care of in election times.
I do agree though that there are very serious questions needed to be asked from government but we have got an opposition which is even worse and doesn't care to work hard enough to raise them.
It's easier to do drama in parliament, leave as little as possible on record, and then create a new narrative that people will lap up anyway.
They are betting their all on incumbency, create unrest , not proactive work.
If only their voters demanded better from them. But that's just the state of mind they find themselves in where they are supporting a guy who is literally speaking for everything they stood against in past. Kinda pathetic too, that they can't find any alternative to dynastic parties.
Pakistan cannot be solved - this is going to be a permanent nuisance. When I said that we let Pakistan live another day to fight, it doesn't imply I want Pak nuked. I see Pakistan the same way we see over grown bushes - they need periodic trimming. Sindoor 1.0 was that trimming done to Pakistan, except, we could have trimmed further. What basically needs to happen is that Pakistan's capability to fight needs to be destroyed completely such that even with China's and/or US's help, it takes them 4 to 5 years at the very least to get back to some shape. This is the 5th month (after the Op) for god's sake and we are already expecting another war with Pak - this could have been avoided is my point. I understand the rationale behind the short and swift conflict and I do get the "why" of it. However, in that scenario - we should have weighed the Pros and Cons of letting Pak off the hook.
One thing I am 100% sure right now, something has happened behind the scenes from Pak side which has caused the RM, ACM and Army Chief threaten Pak so openly and in no uncertain/ambiguous term within 24 hours. I don't recall any army chief saying this, ever!! This should show the gravity of the situation and the result of backing off "when we were on song".
There might be intel on successfull infiltration or sleeper cells activated etc..