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I was seeing a news debate and a spokesperson of some party was jubilant that Trump imposed tarrifs.

And he said that govt is a coward cause they didn't take name of trump Directly otherwise trump would've tariffed more... Can anyone tell me please.. if by asking for the name mention, they wanted trump to put more tarrifs on India?

First they said that govt surrendered because trump threatened trade tarrifs.. now when trump has put tarrifs.. will they accept that goi didn't surrender.
And seems like even Trump was waiting for the statement of Modi before putting tarrifs 😂.. ab puche ki aaj hi kyu lagaye tarrifs.
Common sense answer mujhe pata hai.. it's near august 1 deadline. But...oh well.

Let's see what action GOI takes. My focus is on the effect it could've on geostrategic partnership.
Do we buy more weapons? Do we put tarrifs back? Do we attend a meeting of RIC? S-500... Interesting time ahead.

If we didn't have snakes inside.. it would've been even more interesting, since india as whole would've had more power.
 
Less than 0.5% of Indian GDP is tied to US markets. India will be fine.
The impact to FDI from US companies might be of greater interest -- perhaps this is more a signal to others who may want to follow Apple into manufacturing in India.
 
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Well, good thing we didn't close off our options with russia. Made a good deal with UK. And recently even warmed up to China.

Abe.. modi ne dekh liya hoga ye video pehle hi 😂😂.. jk. I know it's more complicated then that with france ties.

A question: Is there a thread where we can discuss the current Great game being played out? And how India can maximize the benefits .
 
Less than 0.5% of Indian GDP is tied to US markets. India will be fine.
The impact to FDI from US companies might be of greater interest -- perhaps this is more a signal to others who may want to follow Apple into manufacturing in India.
Yeah.. but I think just like rest of the world, india is also playing wait and watch. Just like messy indian politics.. US has got its own things.
So, india will hope for a better alternative but prepare for the eventual rivalry with US deep state in open too. I suppose when India achieves AMCA might be the time when USA actively starts seeing India as a second China in coming.
Cause AMCA means a leap. Both economically and militarily tech.
 
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Yeah.. but I think just like rest of the world, india is also playing wait and watch. Just like messy indian politics.. US has got its own things.
So, india will hope for a better alternative but prepare for the eventual rivalry with US deep state in open too. I suppose when India achieves AMCA might be the time when USA actively starts seeing India as a second China in coming.
Cause AMCA means a leap. Both economically and militarily tech.
I get the excitement around AMCA but, realistically, by the time India fields its first squadron, the US and China will be well into their sixth-gen programs. It’s a step forward for India but it’s not going to suddenly put the them in the “next superpower” category. They won't be viewed as a serious challenger to the throne unless China completely implodes in the next decade or so.

From the US side, I think there’s a growing recognition that a real alliance with India just isn’t happening. I'm not even sure if Trump-2 or the former Biden admin wanted a formal alliance with India. I think those ambitions died with Shinzo Abe. That said, the US can still get what it needs out of India - limited cooperation on shared interests, mainly around China.

If the US gives India what it wants (on trade, tech transfers, work visas, etc), New Delhi will push back on China when it directly threatens Indian interests, and there’ll be plenty of photo ops and hand shaking on tv. India will almost certainly not assist in a Taiwan or similar crisis beyond some logistical support at best.

If the US doesn’t give India what it wants, New Delhi will still push back on China when it threatens Indian interests. Just with less fanfare and less help from the US (i.e intelligence).

It’s taken Washington some time to get here, but this is basically the current state of things. I used to be pretty optimistic about a deeper US-India alignment, but it’s clear India wants to stay non-aligned and focus on strategic autonomy. That is fair and probably the right call for the far future. But it means that there’s not much point in the US offering more concessions when the strategic outcome stays the same.

And as others have said, US-India trade isn’t at a level where these tariffs are catastrophic. India might face slower growth or shift more toward other markets for services. The more interesting question going forward is probably how much Pakistan benefits if the US starts turning that way again.
 
Yeah.. but I think just like rest of the world, india is also playing wait and watch. Just like messy indian politics.. US has got its own things.
So, india will hope for a better alternative but prepare for the eventual rivalry with US deep state in open too. I suppose when India achieves AMCA might be the time when USA actively starts seeing India as a second China in coming.
Cause AMCA means a leap. Both economically and militarily tech.
We need to first build our economy , cut down corruption & have better governance. AMCA or no AMCA wont make much difference in the long run .

US was trying to crack open Indian agri sector for quite a long period of time , its nothing new. Its just our usual bureaucratic stupidity of thinking that ignoring the threat will solve problem has landed in problem. Farmers protest should have been the wakeup call but boys were busy with Ram temple shenanigans & thought all the noise was about our superman. Just like we have interests so do the Americans , its just the boys thought change in govt will change the fortunes as well.
 
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I get the excitement around AMCA but, realistically, by the time India fields its first squadron, the US and China will be well into their sixth-gen programs. It’s a step forward for India but it’s not going to suddenly put the them in the “next superpower” category. They won't be viewed as a serious challenger to the throne unless China completely implodes in the next decade or so.

From the US side, I think there’s a growing recognition that a real alliance with India just isn’t happening. I'm not even sure if Trump-2 or the former Biden admin wanted a formal alliance with India. I think those ambitions died with Shinzo Abe. That said, the US can still get what it needs out of India - limited cooperation on shared interests, mainly around China.

If the US gives India what it wants (on trade, tech transfers, work visas, etc), New Delhi will push back on China when it directly threatens Indian interests, and there’ll be plenty of photo ops and hand shaking on tv. India will almost certainly not assist in a Taiwan or similar crisis beyond some logistical support at best.

If the US doesn’t give India what it wants, New Delhi will still push back on China when it threatens Indian interests. Just with less fanfare and less help from the US (i.e intelligence).

It’s taken Washington some time to get here, but this is basically the current state of things. I used to be pretty optimistic about a deeper US-India alignment, but it’s clear India wants to stay non-aligned and focus on strategic autonomy. That is fair and probably the right call for the far future. But it means that there’s not much point in the US offering more concessions when the strategic outcome stays the same.

And as others have said, US-India trade isn’t at a level where these tariffs are catastrophic. India might face slower growth or shift more toward other markets for services. The more interesting question going forward is probably how much Pakistan benefits if the US starts turning that way again.
Please note I said " second China in 'coming'". AMCA isn't about a 5th gen or a 6th gen. It's about autonomy. An indigenous FA( with engine too) has been so far limited to dream for several reasons.
When it comes, in its intended form.. that will mark a new chapter in India's self reliance. And that won't come in isolation but with it will be a strong industrial base and stronger and more resilient economy. Perhaps that day the foundation will be completed. The foundation on which india can stand i.e. private market. Here i am talking about ambitious 5.5 gen. With AI, MUMT etc.

And mind you, there will be many geopolitical churn.. so the fact AMCA happened will mean india withstood the turbulence. No one would want india to really build full FA, so they will try to derail it 100%. This is just a glimpse. A symbolic milestone whose herald means substantial growth of Indians.

As for alliance, India was very clear from start that Quad won't be any official military alliance. We don't do that. Especially when we are the only one that share the land border with China. It's different constraint. And USA boots on Indian soil in an active clash is big no no.. because we have seen what happened to Pakistan.

I don't believe India asked for any special concession, neither have USA given any concession that wasn't beneficial for it. So the concept of giving concession doesn't even arise.
Meanwhile, don't forget.. india is probably the last substantial market available to US big tech available in years to come. They are banned in china, not trusted in EU and west asia, and have no substantial user base in Africa. I will say the sheer data Indians provide in absence of very strict and strong data protection bill is huge reciprocity for American tech transfer which btw haven't happened substantially yet.

This goods trade deficit is huge misrepresentation of actual trade. US earns way more out of India then a simple goods trade would suggest.
The services domain in advanced technology is skewed in favor of USA.

So USA is not giving any concession while it's constantly pushing India away due to the nature of tone used by trump and him crossing several red line of india vis a vis Pakistan already, which they can. Similarly we can buy oil from Russia.

As for US support to pak.. I think it's like US and China has reached a common consensus that India is getting stronger than they would like after op sindoor. If that is not so, then either one of china or USA will get royally fd like in laden case.

Nothing much will happen to pak except it will be able to support it's economy artificially again. Embolden military and terrorists. That's where I won't comment prematurely on India's response. And I doubt USA or China will give anything real to Pakistanis. Only keep the general well fed. USA will have learned by now from China on how to suck more n more out of pak

Sorry for randomness.
 
We need to first build our economy , cut down corruption & have better governance. AMCA or no AMCA wont make much difference in the long run .

US was trying to crack open Indian agri sector for quite a long period of time , its nothing new. Its just our usual bureaucratic stupidity of thinking that ignoring the threat will solve problem has landed in problem. Farmers protest should have been the wakeup call but boys were busy with Ram temple shenanigans & thought all the noise was about our superman. Just like we have interests so do the Americans , its just the boys thought change in govt will change the fortunes as well.
Well, good thing we didn't succumb anyway. Please see my above answer to see my intention behind naming AMCA as a milestone.
Farmers protest.. i am with you. I thought govt would've done something by now. To root out vested interest and go directly to farmers for views. But disappointing so far.
 
India will almost certainly not assist in a Taiwan or similar crisis beyond some logistical support at best.
when taiwan's president was not allowed to land in US, it speaks volumes about US support to taiwan. Due to its opportunistic nature US is always viewed with suspicion. Its only on china , US & India's interest converge but rest of the area they are more or less tangential.

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If they found oil, then Its a double edged sword with a pointed tip.
1) US will share intelligence & weapon to pak
2)Pak ecenomy will ballooned beyond imagination.
3)More weapon they can purchase with hard money than loan, they can develop their own with money, and will became the only muslim country with oil & nuclear weapon.

We can literally forget taking back POK with such pak now. I would have trade Russian oil for US support to india, bad very bad policy from that JNU alumni EAM.
 
I see some people are already shivering in their boots. Pakistan already has oil and now is of course on its way to join G7 as well. Someone also predicted that Pakistan will get weapons from both China and US now. They'll of course be the latest and greatest. India is at the bottom of the barrel as it was supposed to be. Maybe India was never really an ally. India is not really needed. Now intelligence can be shared with Pakistan. Pakistan is one of the best countries when it comes to democracy, rule of law, shared values and of containing China in the region. Nice.

Nobody is asking why is Japan paying 15 percent or asking why has trade with the Mexicans or the Canadians taken a hit. As I expected, some Indians are running around like headless chickens. So much for strategic thinking on the strategic front.
 


If they found oil, then Its a double edged sword with a pointed tip.
1) US will share intelligence & weapon to pak
2)Pak ecenomy will ballooned beyond imagination.
3)More weapon they can purchase with hard money than loan, they can develop their own with money, and will became the only muslim country with oil & nuclear weapon.

We can literally forget taking back POK with such pak now. I would have trade Russian oil for US support to india, bad very bad policy from that JNU alumni EAM.
It's a sarcasm right?
 
Hey guys, if i remember correctly.. Trump has shown a lot of fondness for Boeing right?

So, as a symbolic retaliation or signal.. what if DGCA comes with report that they are existing the safety of the model itself. And grounds Boeing 777 across airlines for a " review"?
I saw a piece of news somewhere that Boeing 777 was stranded in turkey after smoke was coming out of the plane.

No mentioning trump, or retaliation via tarrif or even stopping orders signed. But just grounding for a review. Completely internal matter with enough high visibility to lit a fire under DJs ***.
 
Trump wants big headlines. Nothing else. A reciprocal treaty doesn't give headline. Check all the deals and their headlines.. you will find many commonalties. Most of them being.. opened up markets, accepted so and so tarrifs, gonna buy something huge from us, investment.. all of them together.

Meanwhile, there's been no official framework or clauses out in open on the actual deal. Infact there's already comment from Japan refuting some claims of deals.

India isn't giving him headline cause we want JV, not buying weapons. Hence he is so miffed about russian weapons even as US origin weaponry grows in our arsenal. Neither can we commit to massive investment in USA when we need it for ourselves. Nor can we "completely" open up our markets. And GOI was apparently looking for clauses of assurance of no future tarrif and removal of existing ones too..

None of them is headline worthy for him. So, I think now GOI and the people working on finding out a deal will probably look for an area that gives a headline to trump while benefiting us too.

I am sure, ones details of actual deal with vietnam, japan, indonesia, EU comes out.. it will be way too lackluster than presented as right now.

Similarly he is sending weapons to ukraine, probably have to borne the cost of aid to pak if he walks the talk and certainly can't get favors from the chinese. On top of that he is going through domestic politics crisis with his MAGA base criticising him over einstein files. So, you see emphasis on MAGA in that statement.

What India needs is deal with EU that's reciprocal, with Japan that could be really beneficial for both. We need investment and tech, they need labor.. shinzo abe was onto that line.. this trump tarrif can make japan more open to it.

Indonesia is already looking for bigger trade with India, if Sameer Saran is telling the truth. Male FTA in works.

ASEAN is improbable cause of China.

And I will say that India should up it's engagement with Taiwan for Technology and training on larger basis. Taiwan is also spooked by USA moves of coercing them for homegrown semicon fab.

All this leaves a good area for mitigating any trump tantrum. Meanwhile, JV like V-Bat, GE-414 etc can be carrot to trump.

Rest, just ignore him tbh. For all his talk, USA needs India too. It's not 90s when USA could dominate asia on its own. It's already involved in Myanmar issue to counter china.

So, anyone who is thinking along policy expert mr RGs line of thought.. don't worry. Jaishankar just came from Europe tour. Modi came from global south trip. They didn't go there to play golf.

P.S. Any idea on what could be headline worthy for him without harming our interest ?
 
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Hey guys, if i remember correctly.. Trump has shown a lot of fondness for Boeing right?

So, as a symbolic retaliation or signal.. what if DGCA comes with report that they are existing the safety of the model itself. And grounds Boeing 777 across airlines for a " review"?
I saw a piece of news somewhere that Boeing 777 was stranded in turkey after smoke was coming out of the plane.

No mentioning trump, or retaliation via tarrif or even stopping orders signed. But just grounding for a review. Completely internal matter with enough high visibility to lit a fire under DJs ***.

Even the babus in MEA and Commerce ministry are not thinking as much as you are.
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