Agni & Prithvi Ballistic Missiles : News & Discussions

marich01 said:
A statement which can not be verified with definitive proof. Besides, mine is just a theory and the case cited above is only a precautionary arrangement for immediate response.

Please note that I am not doubting or criticising , just that such event and statement are unlikely to be admitted officially. Of course we know at heightened tension we take things very seriously & counter + response are both kept prepared. But the final call is not entirely in the user hand.
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Naval Prithvi only got ready after Kargil war, as for sources/proof, the author said some "High ranking " sources confirmed Indias state of readiness. Considering the comment on Agni, which was not operationally deployed by Kargil war (only Prithvis were deployed in 1996 by Gujral), I think maybe some officials did reveal some stuff to the author regarding our state of readiness in Kargil. Otherwise Prithvis getting deployed is an easy guess, but Agni 1 was nowhere near operational use. The fact they specifically readied only 1 Agni maybe means it's true.

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BTW, I find it absolutely shameful we took bloody 20 years to have a deliverable nuclear weapon that too in such a pitiful method as air. The book mentions that China already had nuclear tipped missiles in Tibet specifically meant towards attacking India. So for 20 years China could've nuked us and absolutely nothing could have been done!!!! Meanwhile Chinese tested first atomic bomb in 1964 and then barely 1 year later they mated the bomb with their missile and even made a test where they launched a missile in full nuclear configuration and then detonated it. Their first hydrogen bomb was dropped in full deliverable configuration from H6 bomber in 1966!!!

I tell you guys, Gandhi is one of the worst villains in our history, he instilled that indecisive schoolboy attitude in Indian leaders who became absolutely spineless, and such leaders are still worshipped today in India unfortunately. The book details that for almost 20-25 years instead of making a firm decision on testing our nukes and making them deliverable our leaders from Shastri to Rajiv were preaching to the world about total disarmament. As expected thr big 5 powers didn't give a shit what those spineless leaders said. The decision to firmly weaponise it came only in 1989 by Rajiv Gandhi only after he saw that Pakistan had clinched the bomb. So we not only left ourselves to open attack by China, we waited patiently until our dear western neighbor who wants to cut us into pieces caught up to us.
 
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South block said:
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I doubt it. Cause such projects shouldn't even be whispered about untill they are inducted. And our forces surely understands it as seen in the secrecy of SSBNs.

Maybe, it's just some excited engineers wanting to have a good at it in their free time 👀.
Or maybe they deliberately included HAL, so no one would panic as HAL will give confidence to rivals that this ain't gonna materialize 🖖

And 12k km? India doesn't even accept that Agni V is more than 5000+ range. And they wanna be dependent on foreign engine for a strategic assets. Fluff piece
 
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Speedster1 said:
The Chinese say A5 has a max range of 8000km. They probably have telemetry tracking data. India may have understated the range to soothe jittery Western capitals.

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na, it also depends on the altitud... development regarding ICBM and related tech.
Speedster1 said:
The Chinese say A5 has a max range of 8000km. They probably have telemetry tracking data. India may have understated the range to soothe jittery Western capitals.

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na, it also depends on the altitude the missile reached, if we assume same trajectory.

We can make the missile not go beyond 5000km easily by limited its flight profile and altitude.

So unless we deliberately tested it beyong 5000+km range, there won't be any telemetry data.



Chinese estimate of 8000km is from the size of the missile and whatever understanding they have of our capabilities and development regarding ICBM and related tech like tracking systems.
 
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babablacksheep said:
na, it also depends on the altitud... development regarding ICBM and related tech.



na, it also depends on the altitude the missile reached, if we assume same trajectory.

We can make the missile not go beyond 5000km easily by limited its flight profile and altitude.

So unless we deliberately tested it beyong 5000+km range, there won't be any telemetry data.
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Around the same time as the first A5 test, China reportedly sold Pak an optical tracking system meant specifically for monitoring BM tests. Imo, that was a viewed warning that they had eyes on us.

Apart from land infra, their space-based assets are substantial. Sure we may have tested A5 in a high apogee trajectory but using computer simulations they can estimate max range, based on any data they may have managed to collect.

Imo, we should scrap those agreements with Pak requiring us to provide advance intimation of BM tests. It's just counterproductive today.
 
Speedster1 said:
Sure we may have tested A5 in a high apogee trajectory but using computer simulations they can estimate max range, based on any data they may have managed to collect.
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Na, we don't need to fly it till its fuel is completely gone.
Assume the flight parabola to be constant, now if we reduce its apogee the range will reduce while flight trajectory will remain same.
In that way they cannot assume the max range using telemetry data, unless they have knowledge about its max potential apogee point, which they can only guess by its size and their knowledge about what they think about how much our rocket propulsion tech has advanced.
 
babablacksheep said:
na, it also depends on the altitude the missile reached, if we assume same trajectory.
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Rocket motor burn time & general solid loading can give an estimate. Same principle as rockets I guess. Trajectory can be derived via other sensors.

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jmaxwell_ said:
To whom it may concern (at Cox Bazar):

We kindly request you let IOR matters be handled by India.

Respectfully,
MoD

PS: Please look to your East for some fireworks.
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We have a stated policy of no use against non-nuke countries. Anything strategic we test in the Bay has very little relation with BD. I mean their army & navy also test stuff barely 50-60km away from our zone over the sea.

CATS @hunter said:
Well it's kind a rare, that we tested Agni-1 & prithivi 2, these were introduce more than 2 decades back,
The tech is still relevant & top tier, but
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Old systems are now improved with new gen tech, we have gone back and done it again.
 
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RationalGuy said:
India mastered nuclear warhead integration on missiles in the 1990s, according to revelations from the book " Weapons of Peace" by Raj Chengappa, who interviewed Abdul Kalam, Homi Sethna, Raja Ramanna, R Chidambaram and many other key people of the Indian nuclear programme. We first worked towards making nuclear weapons deliverable by air by mating a bomb to a Mirage 2000, which was successfully validated in 1994. Then we made the warhead of Prithvi nuclear capable in 1997, and then we tested an Agni 2 with a full nuclear configuration (without the plutonium core) successfully in 1999. Since our Agni 3, 4, and 5 can carry much higher payloads than Agni 2, we can easily say we have successfully mated our nuclear weapons on all of our strategic missiles.

As for the range, it depends on the warhead type and yield. These are top secret details, we do know India has 100% attained mastery and weaponisation of the atomic bomb and likely the boosted fission bomb. And although there are doubts, I firmly believe we have attained mastery over hydrogen bombs of up to 200 kilotons. The weight of these bombs is unknown, but for thr hydrogen bomb, it's likely a lot less than the 2 tonne maximum that the Agni 5 can carry. Thus, Agni 5 can deliver any atomic weapon we have over it's full range and likely more even.

I highly recommend you to read "Weapons of Peace" by Raj Chengappa. It is an extremely detailed book on the Indian nuclear bomb and missile programme. It revealed that we tried to make a 8,000 km ICBM way back in the 1970s!!! You can read thr book here: Weapons of peace : the secret story of India's quest to be a nuclear power : Chengappa, Raj : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

I have also attached some screenshots of specific pages in the book which details what I have said.
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Can someone tell me how to read the book?

Even after creating a free account I’m archive.org, still borrow option is unavailable for this book.
 
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