If it was deliberate, then it's really a horrible loss for the families.
Air India Ahmedabad-London flight crash
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Look like a suicide.....need to look out for terrorist angle as well.... sad
I had just made a post earlier about social media jumping to conclusions. Little did I realize folks on this forum of supposedly Indian strategic thinkers giving in so quickly to anti-India psyops.
Have you questioned whether this narrative might be fueled by forces designed to protect Boeing and humiliate India? How about giving the benefit of doubt to pilots with thousands of hours of flying experience until you have been shown conclusive evidence?
Saddening isn't it? People have taken a preliminary report and pronounced the verdict based on what the BBC reported or XYZ printed in their opinion columns. Then people wonder why the Indians loose narrative warfares. The lack of rational thinking in distress and inability to anchor yourself in the present ie. treating a 30 day report as such.
The CVR transcript very clearly indicated inadvertant movement of switches. Both pilots were completely shocked to see the switches in cutoff psition and thats why the question, why did u cutoff and the other replied no I did not.
Normally if any pilots makes any hand movement or leg movement in the cockpit, the other pilots is always able to see it thru his peripheral vision. so it is next to impossible that anyone of them had moved the hands to put the switches to cut off position and not being noticed by the other pilot.
The question by one them shows that none detected any such thing. Plus the gear remained down thruout, which shows that the engines started winding down just after lift off and pilots got distracted by that and started fault rectification rather than raise the gear. This means that may be the rotation caused the switches to go to cut off position. In A-320, these switches are on central console floor but in Boeing they are placed below the throttle quadrant in vertical plane.
IMHO, it seems these switches came out of the detente during T/O run and as the aircraft rotated for take off they slipped to cutoff position.
Normally if any pilots makes any hand movement or leg movement in the cockpit, the other pilots is always able to see it thru his peripheral vision. so it is next to impossible that anyone of them had moved the hands to put the switches to cut off position and not being noticed by the other pilot.
The question by one them shows that none detected any such thing. Plus the gear remained down thruout, which shows that the engines started winding down just after lift off and pilots got distracted by that and started fault rectification rather than raise the gear. This means that may be the rotation caused the switches to go to cut off position. In A-320, these switches are on central console floor but in Boeing they are placed below the throttle quadrant in vertical plane.
IMHO, it seems these switches came out of the detente during T/O run and as the aircraft rotated for take off they slipped to cutoff position.
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Many of us are mentally weak when confronted with failure or news of potential failure/negativity. Unrelated but you can see it in how our cricket team collapses like house of cards when they get few outs in the beginning.
Same way first hint of bad news we buckle, don't care whether it's true or not, whether it's feasible or not. But ig such an attitude is a symptom of living in a poor dog eat dog third world country.
Including the gear lever, a lot of switches in many jet models by different makers are in vertical plane, or angled, hanging, aided by gravity -
- near throttle
- in the MFD plane
- overhead panel
Hence, from design PoV such switches are made spring loaded, mostly pull then transition, with considerable multi-finger effort needed.
It is possible that spring can crack/break & hence again from design PoV it has to be made strong + detection/indication + shelf life decided.
Ultimately pilots would switch the fuel switch back ON.
So if switch/spring broke then again switch can fall down to CUTOFF, then how the recovered throttle console shows fuel switch in ON position?
The hard simulators of B-737 have been available to public since 15 years now in malls, airports.
Since few days, after this fuel switch threory started circulating,
some pilots & engineers started favoring Boeing, blaming pilots,
but some are also saying that switch HARD error cannot happen, but it could be S/w glitch &/or air data sensor malfunction.
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Indeed, this whole fixation on playing the enemy's game with the number of Rafales lost reeks of mental weakness and is utterly embarrassing.
And this is precisely why India most urgently needs to fund a department to handle disinformation campaigns both locally and abroad instead of fancy new Rafales. The enemies have ganged up and have been conducting psychological warfare and brand damage abroad for a long time, and they are getting increasing sophisticated at it.
Why does India continually punch far below her weight?
"Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting" - Sun Tzu
There are plenty of poor countries, some even poorer than us, in Asia. However, inspite being poor they do not fall for certain things as readily as a decent chunk of Indians online. I do not talk of X, it is often filled with bots or pseudo accounts run out of less friendly or hostile nations. Also, you need to take into consideration the amount of cyberattacks and SM propaganda being done against India. This particular aspect needs to be taken into consideration (it is quite overwhelming). In addition to all of this, there are mouth pieces present within the society that actively propagate hostile talking points. So, I understand why the situation happens to be like it is at present.
Some are debating that it is not possible since it is mechanically locked, you need to pull it and then transition it to cutt off or run position, did this mode have that mechanism?
Runway condition should be checked in case of any bumps or jerk, or in case the aircraft experienced a jerk during T/O when the nose went up.
India being democratic country divided by political ethnic and religious lines is not good at consolidating resources and people quickly to achieving specific aims. This makes us punch below our weight. But that's changing.
Point is??? That Boeing plane was 12 years old. Remains to be seen if it was a defect or pilot error. There being an inherent Boeing flaw makes it look baffling as this was not eome brand new plane.