Air Engagement of Operation Sindoor : Analysis

[Bon Plan]

f-16's RCS under sub-1sqm RCS and make it compatible with the meteor

Meteor on F-16 ?
I hope the EU to avoid such an error.

 

[babablacksheep]

Far far less in the Rafale case. The guy in charge of Rafale, Guy Revellin Falcoz, spoke of " a sparrow RCS from front".

Most likely from narrow 0°-45° arc, optimal vertical angles too.

Not full 180° frontal arc.

If true, With a sparrow like rcs from full 180° frontal arc, rafale better start using "stealth pod" regardless of any other explanation

 

[Ashwin]

I see the chinese guy has been banned, Also saw that innominate was banned, You guys really don't like diverse opinions

This is an Indian forum. Diverse opinions are welcome, but we do not tolerate blatant propaganda.

We have a user ban system based on infractions that operates by accumulating points. These users have had sufficient time to correct their behavior towards a healthy discourse.

Could you explain why RT is banned in Australia, an island nation without any regional foes?

 

[Lolwa]

Meteor on F-16 ?
I hope the EU to avoid such an error.

TBf if the Nato weapons integration was actually real the Russians would be far more scared of the f-16's

 

[Optimist]

Could you explain why RT is banned in Australia, an island nation without any regional foes?

Australian government didn't ban RT
It was a commercial decision by foxtel that runs a cable company
Australia suspends RT broadcast
Australia’s satellite operator, Foxtel, has notified RT on Saturday that it is suspending the channel's broadcast distribution in Australia as part of its services “in view of concern about the situation in Ukraine.” The operator will then further “consider” its rights under the channel license agreement, it added, without elaborating on any potential additional measures.

I understand it's not a public space. It's your sandpit and you make the rules. I'm not seeing every exchange with the members here
I would say, as with everyone, there could be a mindset, Personally I didn't see their posts different from others, I was just called a Fuc*en moron and took it in my stride

 

[Optimist]

Ashwin,​

I'm unable to send a personal message, it was messy to say my posted above, opinion in public

on the RT network they advise two ways

 

[randomradio]

Theoretically, 2700 TR module may offer 2.5% performance improvement over 2400 TR module AESA. Not much difference.

No, it matters a lot. If both are offering their TRM designs on the same array, the number difference directly affects a lot of advanced features, especially ECCM.

 

[Hydra]

Meteor on F-16 ?
I hope the EU to avoid such an error.

Its NATO aircraft & a NATO air to air missile. Its possible with ease when scenario demands.

TBf if the Nato weapons integration was actually real the Russians would be far more scared of the f-16's

Russians already are, they were lurking for an F16 kill the way PAF craving for Rafale hit inntge month of May.

 

[FenicromovCW]

Australian government didn't ban RT
It was a commercial decision by foxtel that runs a cable company
Australia suspends RT broadcast
Australia’s satellite operator, Foxtel, has notified RT on Saturday that it is suspending the channel's broadcast distribution in Australia as part of its services “in view of concern about the situation in Ukraine.” The operator will then further “consider” its rights under the channel license agreement, it added, without elaborating on any potential additional measures.

I understand it's not a public space. It's your sandpit and you make the rules. I'm not seeing every exchange with the members here
I would say, as with everyone, there could be a mindset, Personally I didn't see their posts different from others, I was just called a Fuc*en moron and took it in my stride

Foxtel seems to operating on behalf of Australian government, may be just case of taking a roundabout way to do things. In India people say for such things: 'हाथ घुमा कर कान पकड़ना'.

 

[HariPrasad]

Su-57 is still in IOC stage, so there's not much we can glean out of it.

We should just buy Su 57 Platform. RAM, AESA, EW and other missiles should be ours Except R 37.

 

[HariPrasad]

No, it matters a lot. If both are offering their TRM designs on the same array, the number difference directly affects a lot of advanced features, especially ECCM.

I just said that if 2 AESA radars with same TR modules (in make not in numbers) with different numbers. 2700 numbers of TR module will provide 2.5% higher detection range than 2400 TR module Radar.

 

[HariPrasad]

Bro, comparing the Su-57 to the F-22 like the Su-27 was to the F-15 just doesn't hold water when you dig into the tech.........The Su-27 could match the F-15 in kinematics and sensors because both were true Gen-4 contemporaries, but the Su-57 is nowhere near the F-22 in true 5th-gen standards Stealth-wise.........the Su-57 has multiple fundamental design flaws........ its planform alignment is broken by rounded LERX shoulders, protruding control surfaces, and an IRST mounted outside the fuselage with a spherical dome, which reflects radar energy even if turned backward..........That IRST isn’t flush-mounted or faceted like it would be in a serious VLO design......The side weapon bay doors, panel seams, and ramps around the engine intakes all have sharp angular discontinuities that defeat radar shaping principles compare that to the F-22’s seamless edge alignment and faceted shaping.........Su-57’s engine intakes are too shallow to fully hide the engine face.....radar can bounce right off the compressor blades in certain aspects, which massively increases RCS....and let’s not ignore one of the biggest giveaways in Su-57’s design, no proper S-duct inlets......That’s not just a design choice, it’s a fundamental compromise........In any real stealth aircraft like F-22, F-35......the engine intakes use S-shaped ducts to hide the turbine face from radar , Why?......Because the spinning compressor blades are giant radar reflectors.......they light up like a Christmas tree when seen head-on in X-band........Su-57 uses relatively straight intake ducts, which means from certain angles, especially off-axis frontal views, radar waves have a clear line-of-sight to the engine face.........It tries to compensate with radar blockers or serrated edge structures, but that’s a half-measure..........it doesn’t eliminate the RCS spike, just reduces it a bit. This is basic stuff in stealth design........The F-22 completely hides its engine faces behind curved intakes and RAM-coated serpentine channels nothing bounces back......... In contrast, the Su-57’s design prioritizes kinematics and airflow efficiency over signature control which is why it's not truly VLO (Very Low Observable).......You can't call something a full stealth jet if you can see the compressor blades from the front.

Even more obviously.......Russia’s RAM technology is known to be less mature, requiring thicker layers and more frequent maintenance, which raises both weight and logistical footprint.,....On the avionics front, yes, it has a multi-radar setup, the N036 Byelka AESA in the nose and L-band arrays in the wings but sensor fusion is nowhere near Western standards....... Russia still hasn’t demonstrated seamless multi-sensor data fusion, which is critical to exploiting stealth in networked warfare......The F-22 has been fusing AESA, EW, and SIGINT data through its Common Integrated Processor since the 2000s........The Su-57’s cockpit and displays are still closer to 4.5-gen platforms, lacking full helmet-mounted cueing, and the voice-assistance AI is years behind what’s fielded in even upgraded Rafales or F-35s.......also, let’s not forget operational maturity......... Less than 25 Su-57s exist as of 2025 , many of them test articles with no confirmed combat usage in any contested airspace, no kills, and no full IADS integration. The F-22, on the other hand, has 180+ aircraft, over a decade of deployments.

So no, Su-57 isn’t some next-gen killer designed to hunt F-22s. It’s more of a stealth-flavored Gen 4.5+ platform with incremental upgrades and relying on it to handle J-20s or buy time till AMCA is ready (~2040) is just not realistic unless we’re investing in massive sensor, EW, and stealth improvements ourselves.......The Su-30MKI and BrahMos became game-changers after significant Indian customization, not out of the box........The Su-57, right now, is still a prototype heavy, underfunded, and tactically limited bird not a silver bullet.

And let’s not kid ourselves......stealth isn't just marketing, it's the foundation of modern air superiority.........In a battlespace saturated with AWACS, ground-based AESA radars, long-range SAMs, and passive RF/IR sensors, whoever sees first and shoots first will win........That’s why the F-22 and F-35 are built from the ground up to be VLO across all aspects, not just the front.......They’re designed to survive, dominate, and vanish before an enemy can even lock on.......The Su-57, with its visible engine face, hot circular nozzles, poor rear-aspect RCS, and exposed seams, simply can’t stay hidden in the same way...........It's stealth-flavored at best not true low observable........Without deep, multi-aspect stealth, you're always at a disadvantage in BVR and by the time you’re maneuvering within visual range, you're already in a losing fight against a jet that was never seen........So yeah, the Su-57 might have potential, but in its current state, it’s not the game-changer it's hyped up to be especially not against peer-level stealth adversaries or advanced IADS...........If you can't survive in the first 30 seconds of detection, all the supermaneuverability and radar range in the world won’t matter regards.

The problem with Russian is that they satisfy with good product but do not try to work more on it to make it excellent. This is the reason we opted out of Su 57 program. Had Russia worked with us, we would have a significantly batter product in hand by now. Batter stealth, batter EW and cockpit, batter weapons. We can take basic platform and work on it to get a far superior platform in next 5 years. We have a choice between Rafale and Su 57. Like we configure MKI from basic Su 30 and made it the best variant out of Su 30 platform, we can work on Su 57 and to make it a batter Su 57. Our own AESA, Our own EW, our own long range missile, our own RAM Paint. meanwhile AL51 will also mature. We can get MWF from 2029, Su 57 can start joining from 2030 and AMCA by 2035. China is planning 1000 J 20 in a decade. We shall be outmatched in numbers. So building number is also a compulsion unless we get a breakthrough in something else which makes aircraft irrelevant.

 

[Optimist]

Foxtel seems to operating on behalf of Australian government, may be just case of taking a roundabout way to do things. In India people say for such things: 'हाथ घुमा कर कान पकड़ना'.

We aren't media controlled like India,
It is a ridicules proposition You only have to watch foxtel sky, to see them bag out the government,
You also have the government owned station ABC, that show no mercy to the government , they are independent

 

[Bon Plan]

Most likely from narrow 0°-45° arc, optimal vertical angles too.

Not full 180° frontal arc.

If true, With a sparrow like rcs from full 180° frontal arc, rafale better start using "stealth pod" regardless of any other explanation

Not a single stealth fighter is 360° stealthy.
And yes, it is the frontal arc that was optimised.

 

[babablacksheep]

Not a single stealth fighter is 360° stealthy.
And yes, it is the frontal arc that was optimised.

Frontal arc compromises of full 180° horizontal.

 

[redpanda]

Australian government didn't ban RT
It was a commercial decision by foxtel that runs a cable company
Australia suspends RT broadcast
Australia’s satellite operator, Foxtel, has notified RT on Saturday that it is suspending the channel's broadcast distribution in Australia as part of its services “in view of concern about the situation in Ukraine.” The operator will then further “consider” its rights under the channel license agreement, it added, without elaborating on any potential additional measures.

I understand it's not a public space. It's your sandpit and you make the rules. I'm not seeing every exchange with the members here
I would say, as with everyone, there could be a mindset, Personally I didn't see their posts different from others, I was just called a Fuc*en moron and took it in my stride

Foxtel did this as well ig.

Morrison government asks Facebook, Twitter and Google to block Russian state media ‘disinformation’

Communications minister writes to tech giants about ‘content promoting violence, extremism and disinformation in relation to the Russian invasion of Ukraine’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Shan]

Foxtel did this as well ig.

Morrison government asks Facebook, Twitter and Google to block Russian state media ‘disinformation’

Communications minister writes to tech giants about ‘content promoting violence, extremism and disinformation in relation to the Russian invasion of Ukraine’

www.theguardian.com

RT has been pretty much de-platformed from all streaming platforms as well. At the least the major ones are complying with requests and denying them air time.

 

[Bon Plan]

Frontal arc compromises of full 180° horizontal.

???? sorry?

 

[babablacksheep]

???? sorry?

Looks like a miscommunication.
I'm talking about angles of fighter jet, not angles at which radar is viewing.

 

[Optimist]

Foxtel did this as well ig.

Morrison government asks Facebook, Twitter and Google to block Russian state media ‘disinformation’

Communications minister writes to tech giants about ‘content promoting violence, extremism and disinformation in relation to the Russian invasion of Ukraine’

www.theguardian.com

If you look at the dates, Foxtel suspended RT before the gov made a request to media, Note that it was a request, not an order with penalties.
At the time ownership of Foxtel was Murdoch news corp, the right wing propaganda guy, fox news US ;; He tells governments what to do,
Money runs the western media, not governments