US - Israel - Iran War

A comment to compare to the Indian/Pakistani skirmish.

The Israelis intervened with 200 aircraft and achieved interesting but apparently not decisive effects. The Indians intervened with 70 aircraft on the Pakistani and folded the conflict in a few hours as soon as they decided to attack the Pakistani's military and strategic infra-structures.

Either Indian weapons are far more effective than Israeli ones, or the Iranians are far better prepared than the Pakistanis. But in either case, if the Israelis are unable to be more decisive, this war will last.

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South block said:
Delusions

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895764181246493165
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These guys are such boasters, it is almost comical. We are targeting Iron Dome Batteries and will take them out ASAP. Not a single one destroyed. We have taken out a F-35. Then use old crash videos. Their tech and AD has failed them. If landing 9 BMs in parts of Israel is considered a victory, what about the IAF strikes that have even continued today. Delusions of grandeur and the endless chest thumping.
 
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South block said:
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The Iranians didn't get to the point. The topic of this Indian missile should be that, without solving the bipyramid MARV problem, it achieves gliding capability at the end by using four wing panels to increase lift.
What the Iranians should emphasize is that this method will significantly increase Supersonic shock wave drag. Reduce the speed of the missile..
 
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jetray said:
wtf? is that supposed to be public sport or spectacle ?
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It is Yemen. This is a public spectacle for them. IAF strikes are common there so they want to see the impacts in Tel Aviv. That whole region works in weird ways. Best not to ponder at all on these events. Pure propaganda for the masses.
 
Shan said:
this consisted of 2-3 waves: 100-150 followed by dozens in 2nd wave and 3rd. no clarity on total nos. some claim the total missiles to be close to 300.
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Yep, 4 waves apparently. Those two hits were from the first wave. RUMINT says 8 or 9 hits in the first wave.
 
Parthu said:
Iran is a problem that needs solving sooner or later.
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Iran is an useful idiot, they are a punching bag for the west. They take the focus of west away from India. So why do we want any change take place? Their shenanigans will keep west busy.

Parthu said:
Better not wait till after they go nuclear.
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monkeys next to us already have nukes, it wont make much of a difference for us if new monkeys else where get the nukes. Its the wests problem not ours.
 
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CATS @hunter said:
Well without IADS you don't stand a chance against current threats, The drones & missile Will make it's way into your airspace, despite having IADS too, your air space will be penetrated but it will minimise the damage,
It is one of the key reasons why Russians AD performance is below par despite it's immense capabilities,
As you Said iran was never a big threat, it never was, it could have been if Iran was not fighting the entire isarel & it's partners, Americans saudis, jordanins are protecting isarel,

Also iran relayed only in it's ballastic missiles, then again the ballastic missiles should be top of league, in the same bracket as big top four ( USA, china, russia, India)
Iran despite getting sanctioned always punched above it's weight which is commendable but it falls short against it has to fight against multiple adversary
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Their med-long range systems are okay, the real weakness there was the lack of fighter jets and force multipliers. But the biggest weakness was the lack of advanced SRSAMs that could engage PGMs. Of course, their BMD is lacking too. Akash could have stopped both PGMs and Rampage/LORA. Had each of the targets had 2-4 Akash-class batteries supported by an aerostat, the Israelis would have struggled to get through. And it's so cheap too.

I have no clue how air forces can be this level of stupid. Both Pakistan and Iran were absolutely helpless. Maybe it's systemic.
 
randomradio said:
JY-27 has been spotted in Iran.

Anyway the SAMs you overhyped and said were superior to what India possessed turned out to be useless, both Iranian and Chinese.
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Do you have any evidence of JY27 being in Iran?
The best missile of Iran is the S-300PMU2, while India's best is four batteries of the S-400. From this perspective, India is indeed better than Iran.
As for China, well, the Indians are still quite confident. After all, their chief of the air force is also very confident.
 
Herciv said:
A comment to compare to the Indian/Pakistani skirmish.

The Israelis intervened with 200 aircraft and achieved interesting but apparently not decisive effects. The Indians intervened with 70 aircraft on the Pakistani and folded the conflict in a few hours as soon as they decided to attack the Pakistani's military and strategic infra-structures.

Either Indian weapons are far more effective than Israeli ones, or the Iranians are far better prepared than the Pakistanis. But in either case, if the Israelis are unable to be more decisive, this war will last.

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And let's not forget the Pakistanis have 500 fighters and peak weapons supplied by a superpower-class industrial base, both missing in Iran.

If Iran had sufficient fighters, things could have spiralled out of control.

This conflict is not done though.
 
LX1111 said:
Do you have any evidence of JY27 being in Iran?
The best missile of Iran is the S-300PMU2, while India's best is four batteries of the S-400. From this perspective, India is indeed better than Iran.
As for China, well, the Indians are still quite confident. After all, their chief of the air force is also very confident.
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Nothing on hand at the moment. Jane's reported it was located in Iran, so the source is reputable.

S-300PMU2 is very old, not sufficient against 4.5th and 5th gen capabilities, especially if there's no air support available. Anyway, I was referring to shorter range systems that can defeat PGMs and tactical BMs.

Yes, India is very confident. Our weapons were more successful than anticipated. You haven't noticed but except for Rafale, all our jets are old, ordered 30-45 years ago. Those old jets worked phenomenally well against some of China's (and Sweden's) most advanced capabilities. And we are in the process of getting new jets that are significantly more capable than the old jets.
 
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Herciv said:
A comment to compare to the Indian/Pakistani skirmish.

The Israelis intervened with 200 aircraft and achieved interesting but apparently not decisive effects. The Indians intervened with 70 aircraft on the Pakistani and folded the conflict in a few hours as soon as they decided to attack the Pakistani's military and strategic infra-structures.

Either Indian weapons are far more effective than Israeli ones, or the Iranians are far better prepared than the Pakistanis. But in either case, if the Israelis are unable to be more decisive, this war will last.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1933575231051890937

Going by the disclosure in the video if there are no net positive gains to be had , why exactly did Israel prosecute this campaign ?

If the idea was to somehow inveigle the Americans into it then I don't see this happening for as Ehud Barak states without direct US involvement it's not possible for Israel to defang Iran of its N weapons program on its own & with these strikes I don't see Iran returning for such talks too , at least not soon.

In fact if anything it'd spur them on to give final touches to the N weapons program & test a N device or a few. What then has Israel gained from all this ?

Also raises the question why exactly did Trump give the go ahead to Satanyahu then ? In this respect the Biden administration was more circumspect . If Israel didn't attack Iranian N installations then , it was coz the Biden administration retrained them from doing so & as it turns out , the Biden administration was right . This is escalation for the sake of it.

Not a conspiracy theorist but earlier rumours emanating from Israel seem to have a ring of truth behind them , that Satanyahud was essentially prolonging the conflict & opening up new fronts to save his government & himself from prosecution.

How's the 7 star kibbutzim on man lake reporting this , sweetie ? Like the rest of the left liberal LA Die Juden , is Satanyahud seen as a regular die juden hustler ? Or a real Zionist hero in the same category as Ben Gurion ? It's a serious not rhetorical question , Ja ? @Innominate
 
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