LCA AF Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions

[HariPrasad]

That statement was based upon the specs/avionics/EW we've planned for MK2. Of course, since we already have Rafale operational while MK2 still being a paper plane makes the point moot, but still.

In fact, I would say that specs of MK2 are even more advance than what Dassault has planned for Rafale F4.2/3. Only from F5 version onwards, Rafale will reach MK2 levels of avionics.

There can not be any batter news than that if true. Please elaborate. I am awaiting for MWF with 75/125 KN engine with TVC and frontal stealth. That will make MWF super MWF.

 

[Gautam]

 

[Rajput Lion]

Normal ppl have been watching too many "Top Gun" type movies and shows where they think dogfighting = entire war. Of course air power is essentially but to base entire analysis on one aspect of the entire conflict is silly.

Tejas Mk2 can confront even J16??? Waw . But of course we need far more extensive AWACS support than we have currently. More importantly we NEED to link Astra Mk2 with Netra AWACS. Somehow this must be done imo.

Here is the official confirmation of initial Uttam MK2 prototype using same 912 GaAs TRMs like that of MK1A(only packaging is different because of smaller nose cone of MK2):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854161410529587548

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854842750891626910

PS: In the later production batches, we most definitely will switch to GaN, as this tech is now mature enough for military use.

 

[Hydra]

Here is the official confirmation of initial Uttam MK2 prototype using same 912 GaAs TRMs like that of MK1A(only packaging is different because of smaller nose cone of MK2):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854161410529587548

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1854842750891626910

PS; In the later production batches, we most definitely will switch to GaN, as this tech is now mature enough for military use.

What type of trm will be used in MKI AESA radar from begening?

 

[Rajput Lion]

What type of trm will be used in MKI AESA radar from begening?

GaN on SiC. Later maybe, GaN on Diamond(as the tech matures). Initial prototype will have 2500 TRMs, but final production model(especially in later batches), could have even more.

 

[randomradio]

Here is the official confirmation of initial Uttam MK2 prototype using same 912 GaAs TRMs like that of MK1A(only packaging is different because of smaller nose cone of MK2):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854161410529587548

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1854842750891626910

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PS: In the later production batches, we most definitely will switch to GaN, as this tech is now mature enough for military use.

Yeah, I dunno why people at the air show pushed the GaN story for Uttam when we already knew it was still in development.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Yeah, I dunno why people at the air show pushed the GaN story for Uttam when we already knew it was still in development.

Alpha Defense has come out with a video saying that as per some conference leaks, the production radar would have GaN. Let's see.

@marich01, any idea what AD is saying in the above video(re phone/conference confirmation of MK2 having GaN modules?)

PS: With GaAs Uttam, MK2 won't be as advance as Rafale as we were previously anticipating. So 2-engined MRFA contest remains open, IMO.

 

[Ashwin]

India eyes partnership with France's Safran to power next-gen Tejas Mk2 jets​

India is exploring the possibility of a potential partnership with French aerospace and defence major Safran to enhance its engine-making capabilities for Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter aircraft and to develop engines for its next-generation Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk-2 fighter jets, top defence sources have told Moneycontrol.

US defence major GE Aerospace is currently supplying F404-IN20 engines for Tejas MK-1 fighter jets to Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). However, there have been hurdles in the supply, which have delayed timelines for Indian Air Force's plans to augment its fighter squadrons. In a significant move, India is now looking for all available options to speed up its indigenous fighter production rate. As part of this effort, it is exploring partnering with Safran to enhance indigenous fighter jet engine-making capabilities.

 

[randomradio]

India eyes partnership with France's Safran to power next-gen Tejas Mk2 jets​

India is exploring the possibility of a potential partnership with French aerospace and defence major Safran to enhance its engine-making capabilities for Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter aircraft and to develop engines for its next-generation Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk-2 fighter jets, top defence sources have told Moneycontrol.

US defence major GE Aerospace is currently supplying F404-IN20 engines for Tejas MK-1 fighter jets to Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). However, there have been hurdles in the supply, which have delayed timelines for Indian Air Force's plans to augment its fighter squadrons. In a significant move, India is now looking for all available options to speed up its indigenous fighter production rate. As part of this effort, it is exploring partnering with Safran to enhance indigenous fighter jet engine-making capabilities.

Guess there's been a rapid loss of trust in the US. Or just a bargaining chip.

The French have a 11T engine meant for SCAF, we can use this engine on Mk2 and AMCA. And they now have a 9T engine for Rafale F5 too, which can replace the F404 on Mk1A, atleast from the second batch of 97 onwards.

It's good that the ADA/IAF are looking at other options. Finally.

 

[marich01]

Mk2 model










TARA looks very nice there. Could have chosen more color scheme.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Guess there's been a rapid loss of trust in the US. Or just a bargaining chip.

The French have a 11T engine meant for SCAF, we can use this engine on Mk2 and AMCA. And they now have a 9T engine for Rafale F5 too, which can replace the F404 on Mk1A, atleast from the second batch of 97 onwards.

It's good that the ADA/IAF are looking at other options. Finally.

It's an ominous sign for those who think India will/should procure F-35.

@Innominate, @Parthu, @South block, @Optimist

 

[Zarion]

It's an ominous sign for those who think India will/should procure F-35.

@Innominate, @Parthu, @South block, @Optimist

I would say not to 100% believe this report honestly, it is likely but I'll wait for some other more reliable sources to report this news.

 

[Ashwin]

There is a chance they confused LCA mk2 with AMCA mk2. Source is unreliable.

Let's wait before writing diagnosis and prognosis

 

[Ironhide]

The only source is Moneycontrol article and now all other news agencies are running the stories with Moneycontrol as source.

Watch this news video with the Moneycontrol "Expert", Guy is all over the place and mixing up LCA Mk1A and Mk2:

Post Op Sindoor, India Eyes Partnership With France's Safran To Power Next-Gen Tejas Mk2 Jets

| Post , India eyes partnership with France's Safran to power next-gen Tejas Mk2 jets n18oc_breaking-news

www.news18.com

 

[Optimist]

It's an ominous sign for those who think India will/should procure F-35.

@Innominate, @Parthu, @South block, @Optimist

Can you show me the post where I said "India will/should"
I think my posts were about the various roadblocks

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Is it possible to Fit Safran M88 in Tejas MK 2

We might have realised that GE will not transfer technology

So DRDO will make a few prototypes with 414 and then move on to Safran

 

[Zarion]

Is it possible to Fit Safran M88 in Tejas MK 2

We might have realised that GE will not transfer technology

So DRDO will make a few prototypes with 414 and then move on to Safran

No

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

It's an ominous sign for those who think India will/should procure F-35.

@Innominate, @Parthu, @South block, @Optimist

We, French, can procure US with two 11t engine for the F-55.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Guess there's been a rapid loss of trust in the US. Or just a bargaining chip.

The French have a 11T engine meant for SCAF, we can use this engine on Mk2 and AMCA. And they now have a 9T engine for Rafale F5 too, which can replace the F404 on Mk1A, atleast from the second batch of 97 onwards.

It's good that the ADA/IAF are looking at other options. Finally.

Post in thread 'MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions'

Oct 15, 2024

I'm not involved in the negotiations, but I have the impression that something is stalling. From my point of view, I can see that we're making efforts on our side, and I even remember a slide on which we proposed transferring 100% of the ToT + the know-how + the knowledge of why.

When we tried to revive the Kaveri, our proposal to replace the core by taking the M88 core, which was a cheap solution, was rejected. So we proposed correcting the defects with you, but Indian rules stipulate that the foreign share cannot exceed 49%, no doubt to preserve IP rights, so we proposed a package...

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ADA said they don't care about Kaveri K10 for LCA Mk2, it will bring in unnecessary delays. IAF agreed with ADA. Plus we wanted all that new manufacturing tech from America, built by HAL, a very powerful lobby. All these delays were getting in the way of HAL getting the "Maharatna" status. Everything else was a waste of time. Pretty much the same reason why F404 replacement for Mk1A also died.

 

[randomradio]

It's an ominous sign for those who think India will/should procure F-35.

@Innominate, @Parthu, @South block, @Optimist

An import is always risky if there's no competitor available.